marciano doesnt belongin the same breath as ali

[TyBuff]

If you want to have this argument name a fighter that belongs in the same breath as Ali. I am not argueing that Marciano does belong, but he fought at a different time. Ali revolutionized the sport of boxing, there had not been anybody around that came close to him. There certainly have been imposters since, but nobody the same. They are both great fighters, they both were the man to beat of their time, but you can not compare them.

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

WELL I WOULDNT GO THAT FAR BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT ONE DOESNT COMPARE TO THE OTHER. ALI WOULD GIVE MARCIANO THE BEATING OF HIS LIFE. ALI FOUGHT WITH SKILL AND SPEED HENCE "THE GREATEST" MARCIANO FOUGHT ON PURE GRIT, POWER AND HEART. NO LEGIT SKILL OR SPEED. BUT YOU CANT LOOK DOWN ON HIM FOR THE PEOPLE HE FOUGHT. THERE WAS NOONE ELSE AROUND. THE HWD WAS AS DEVOID OF TALENTED FIGHTERS AS IT IS RIGHT NOW... AND REMEMBER. THAT LOSLESS RECORD LOOKS GREAT ON A RESUME.

Just because he says he's the greatest doesn't make it so...that why it's called "self proclaimed"....oh yeah he would kick marciano's a** though....

IT MAY BE SELF PROCLAIMED BUT THERE IS NO DOUBTING THAT THERE IS EMENSE AMOUNTS OF TRUTH TO THAT.

[Unknowndonor]

I think Marciano resembles Joe Frazier. A little less speed, equal power, and at least if not better chin. Granted, his comp. might not have been as good, and Ali would beat him 6 of 10 for sure, maybe more, but You can't discredit Marciano like he was a bum. He would have given Frazier fits, and beat him a few. And we know what Frazier did to Ali.

Ali is better IMO, but to say Marciano was not in the same breath, is a strong statement.

[atomic bull]

all he did after missing 3years of his physical prime was come back and beat joe frazier and ken norton two out of three (the loss to norton he fought the majority of the fight with a busted grille), knocked george foreman out when george was in his prime and seemingly indestructible (that was after ali had already lost to frazier and norton and was thought to be thru)

he also had wins over quality guys like floyd patterson (twice), jerry quarry (twice), cleveland williams, ernie terrell, oscar bonavena, george chuvalo, ron lyle, henry cooper (twice overall--once pre liston, once post liston), jimmy ellis, zora folley, buster mathis, joe bugner (twice), chuck wepner, and jimmy young (who ended foremans first career with a legit win over him remember).

oh yeah and rocky marciano beat --in his absolute prime mind you ---thouroghly washed up versions of joe louis, ezzard charles, and joe walcott---oh and dont forget thoise world beaters donny cockell and roland lastarza---two househole names

marciano wasnt good enough to be ali's towel boy............

This shows you know very little about boxing with a statement like this, Marciano was perhaps the best conditioned fighter to ever step into the ring, not to mention freakish strength and punching power for 184ibs, a will and determination to win beyond human capicity and tenacity second to none. Marciano would have needed a shopping cart to push his heart around. And as far as Walcott and Charles being washed up, your crazy, Walcott was champion, Legendary trainer Eddie Futch said Walcott was one of the hardest punchers ever and that he (Walcott) could knock you cold just by hitting you on top of your head. Walcott himself said that Marciano was a much harder puncher then the great Joe Louis. And Marciano ruined Charles in there 2 epic battles, check how Charles career went downhill after the last fight with Marciano. Archie Moore said nobody hit him as hard as Marciano and that the only man that could have beaten Foreman in a SLUGFEST was Marciano. Look at some of the Rock's opponents records after he was finished with them, Roland LaStarza who was considered the next Gene Tunney, was ruined by Marciano, so was Rex Layne. And as far as calling Marciano's opponents bums....check Ali's record.. Brian London, Alfredo Evangalista, Jean Pierre Coopman, Richard Dunn...should I go on? And Ali got some gift decisions also Jimmy Young, Doug Jones, and IMO Norton beat Ali all 3 times , whupped him in their 3rd fight at Yankee Stadium. And alot of his fights were BORING!!!! And according to people who were there when Marciano and Ali taped there superfightback in 68, Ali was on the set talkin S*** as usual, and Angelo Dundee said Maciano said to him "I DON'T LIKE HIM , HE TALKS TO MUCH!! So Dundee says give him a chance. So during filming Ali tries to knock off Marcianos hairpiece, so Marciano stars throwing hard punches at Ali, Ali's blocking the punches on his arms and starts complaining to the people on the set that Marciano hitting him hard, so Dundee says at the end of the day Ali's arms are bruised and sore, so Marciano comes over to Dundee and says, " He's a nice kid, but I would have murdered him when I was fighting. As my father told me "Marciano was tough son of a bitch!!

[The_One77]

all he did after missing 3years of his physical prime was come back and beat joe frazier and ken norton two out of three (the loss to norton he fought the majority of the fight with a busted grille), knocked george foreman out when george was in his prime and seemingly indestructible (that was after ali had already lost to frazier and norton and was thought to be thru)

he also had wins over quality guys like floyd patterson (twice), jerry quarry (twice), cleveland williams, ernie terrell, oscar bonavena, george chuvalo, ron lyle, henry cooper (twice overall--once pre liston, once post liston), jimmy ellis, zora folley, buster mathis, joe bugner (twice), chuck wepner, and jimmy young (who ended foremans first career with a legit win over him remember).

oh yeah and rocky marciano beat --in his absolute prime mind you ---thouroghly washed up versions of joe louis, ezzard charles, and joe walcott---oh and dont forget thoise world beaters donny cockell and roland lastarza---two househole names

marciano wasnt good enough to be ali's towel boy............

You must note though thatAli got alot of altered judging in his fights... some fights there is no way he won(Ken Norton) and he won on name alone... Also against Henry Cooper he was knocked out, and they had to rip his glove so he would have more time to recuperate. Foreman states that he was drugged during their fight which no1 really knows but with all the other conspiracies behind Ali its plausible.

Foreman was not drugged lol, he just didn't know how to take it...
he sure as hell didn't look drugged neither when he was pounding the hell outta Ali against the ropes

[cockey cockney]

all he did after missing 3years of his physical prime was come back and beat joe frazier and ken norton two out of three (the loss to norton he fought the majority of the fight with a busted grille), knocked george foreman out when george was in his prime and seemingly indestructible (that was after ali had already lost to frazier and norton and was thought to be thru)

he also had wins over quality guys like floyd patterson (twice), jerry quarry (twice), cleveland williams, ernie terrell, oscar bonavena, george chuvalo, ron lyle, henry cooper (twice overall--once pre liston, once post liston), jimmy ellis, zora folley, buster mathis, joe bugner (twice), chuck wepner, and jimmy young (who ended foremans first career with a legit win over him remember).

oh yeah and rocky marciano beat --in his absolute prime mind you ---thouroghly washed up versions of joe louis, ezzard charles, and joe walcott---oh and dont forget thoise world beaters donny cockell and roland lastarza---two househole names

marciano wasnt good enough to be ali's towel boy............

This shows you know very little about boxing with a statement like this, Marciano was perhaps the best conditioned fighter to ever step into the ring, not to mention freakish strength and punching power for 184ibs, a will and determination to win beyond human capicity and tenacity second to none. Marciano would have needed a shopping cart to push his heart around. And as far as Walcott and Charles being washed up, your crazy, Walcott was champion, Legendary trainer Eddie Futch said Walcott was one of the hardest punchers ever and that he (Walcott) could knock you cold just by hitting you on top of your head. Walcott himself said that Marciano was a much harder puncher then the great Joe Louis. And Marciano ruined Charles in there 2 epic battles, check how Charles career went downhill after the last fight with Marciano. Archie Moore said nobody hit him as hard as Marciano and that the only man that could have beaten Foreman in a SLUGFEST was Marciano. Look at some of the Rock's opponents records after he was finished with them, Roland LaStarza who was considered the next Gene Tunney, was ruined by Marciano, so was Rex Layne. And as far as calling Marciano's opponents bums....check Ali's record.. Brian London, Alfredo Evangalista, Jean Pierre Coopman, Richard Dunn...should I go on? And Ali got some gift decisions also Jimmy Young, Doug Jones, and IMO Norton beat Ali all 3 times , whupped him in their 3rd fight at Yankee Stadium. And alot of his fights were BORING!!!! And according to people who were there when Marciano and Ali taped there superfightback in 68, Ali was on the set talkin S*** as usual, and Angelo Dundee said Maciano said to him "I DON'T LIKE HIM , HE TALKS TO MUCH!! So Dundee says give him a chance. So during filming Ali tries to knock off Marcianos hairpiece, so Marciano stars throwing hard punches at Ali, Ali's blocking the punches on his arms and starts complaining to the people on the set that Marciano hitting him hard, so Dundee says at the end of the day Ali's arms are bruised and sore, so Marciano comes over to Dundee and says, " He's a nice kid, but I would have murdered him when I was fighting. As my father told me "Marciano was tough son of a bitch!!

Cool Click for a great arguement mate, IMO rockys style would of given Ali alot of trouble, and im sick of all the hating he gets.

[tuckwopat]

Marciano would have never gassed like Foreman did, and he was more of a bull than Frazier. Remember, he hit fighters where ever the hell he could. He wouldn't have had to rock his jaw to slow him down.

[El Kabong]

Exactly Marciano had style, grace, and class...and was unbeaten so yeah he doesn't deserved to be mentioned with Ali

[cockey cockney]

Exactly Marciano had style, grace, and class...and was unbeaten so yeah he doesn't deserved to be mentioned with Ali

Good way to look at it mate, i wanted to click ya but as yano karma cannot be repeated etc lol.

[yankssuck]

grace? maybe the wrong word, raw power and strength in an abundance without a shadow of a doubt. I think he could have been right up there in the top 5 heavy weights of all time including the monsters of todays era.He would look like a toothpick up against some of the fellas like Klitchsko and Lennox Lewis but the power and speed were unquestionable and could take anyone out, and i think he would have given Ali all sorts of trouble as he was very similar in style to Frazier.Against a prime time Foreman who i think looking at old tapes against Norton and Frazier twice was the most formidable heavyweight of all time in any era at this time in his career. He looked untouchable and physically too big for the likes of a Marciano who probably weighed 70 pounds less.In response to the posting i think it a bit disrespectful to Marciano to say he was not in the same class as Ali, i personally think it would have been a great match up.

[cockey cockney]

grace? maybe the wrong word, raw power and strength in an abundance without a shadow of a doubt. I think he could have been right up there in the top 5 heavy weights of all time including the monsters of todays era.He would look like a toothpick up against some of the fellas like Klitchsko and Lennox Lewis but the power and speed were unquestionable and could take anyone out, and i think he would have given Ali all sorts of trouble as he was very similar in style to Frazier.Against a prime time Foreman who i think looking at old tapes against Norton and Frazier twice was the most formidable heavyweight of all time in any era at this time in his career. He looked untouchable and physically too big for the likes of a Marciano who probably weighed 70 pounds less.In response to the posting i think it a bit disrespectful to Marciano to say he was not in the same class as Ali, i personally think it would have been a great match up.

Coolclick mate, a fair assessment, and faught your corner well.

[undefeated]

all he did after missing 3years of his physical prime was come back and beat joe frazier and ken norton two out of three (the loss to norton he fought the majority of the fight with a busted grille), knocked george foreman out when george was in his prime and seemingly indestructible (that was after ali had already lost to frazier and norton and was thought to be thru)

he also had wins over quality guys like floyd patterson (twice), jerry quarry (twice), cleveland williams, ernie terrell, oscar bonavena, george chuvalo, ron lyle, henry cooper (twice overall--once pre liston, once post liston), jimmy ellis, zora folley, buster mathis, joe bugner (twice), chuck wepner, and jimmy young (who ended foremans first career with a legit win over him remember).

oh yeah and rocky marciano beat --in his absolute prime mind you ---thouroghly washed up versions of joe louis, ezzard charles, and joe walcott---oh and dont forget thoise world beaters donny cockell and roland lastarza---two househole names

marciano wasnt good enough to be ali's towel boy............

i agree marciano should have chose to b born in a different era--the fact that marciano chose to be born when he was born--shows he was a coward---he should have chose to be born around the same time as ali---

ALI CHOSE A MUCH BETTER TIME 2B BORN AT!!!!

patterson cant take a punch--marciano woulda ko'd him
wepner so great? marciano woulda ko'd him in 4
chuvalo was the EASIEST target in boxing history--never moves just stands there!
quarry --marciano woulda ko'd in 3
FOLLEY was old and past his prime when when ali beat him--
ALI got 2 gift decisions against young and norton 3



look ali's the greatest---but your post is ignorant----y dont u attack joe louis?? he beat a 37 old man 2 get his title---if ali was holding tha title instead of braddock louis woulda lost and ali woulda never let louis be a champion. but LOUIS WAS IN A VERY WEAK ERA --JUST LIKE MARCIANO--IF YOUR GONNA ATTACK BOXERS ABOUT "HORRIBLE OPPOSITION" INCLUDE LOUIS, TYSON, AND DEMPSEY

SO WHAT U MEANT TO SAY IS ROCKY, JOE ,MIKE AND JACK arent good enough to hold ali's towel oh yeah and throw floyd in there 2, he fought nobodys as well


but u wont cuz your biast

[undefeated]

all he did after missing 3years of his physical prime was come back and beat joe frazier and ken norton two out of three (the loss to norton he fought the majority of the fight with a busted grille), knocked george foreman out when george was in his prime and seemingly indestructible (that was after ali had already lost to frazier and norton and was thought to be thru)

he also had wins over quality guys like floyd patterson (twice), jerry quarry (twice), cleveland williams, ernie terrell, oscar bonavena, george chuvalo, ron lyle, henry cooper (twice overall--once pre liston, once post liston), jimmy ellis, zora folley, buster mathis, joe bugner (twice), chuck wepner, and jimmy young (who ended foremans first career with a legit win over him remember).

oh yeah and rocky marciano beat --in his absolute prime mind you ---thouroghly washed up versions of joe louis, ezzard charles, and joe walcott---oh and dont forget thoise world beaters donny cockell and roland lastarza---two househole names

marciano wasnt good enough to be ali's towel boy............

This shows you know very little about boxing with a statement like this, Marciano was perhaps the best conditioned fighter to ever step into the ring, not to mention freakish strength and punching power for 184ibs, a will and determination to win beyond human capicity and tenacity second to none. Marciano would have needed a shopping cart to push his heart around. And as far as Walcott and Charles being washed up, your crazy, Walcott was champion, Legendary trainer Eddie Futch said Walcott was one of the hardest punchers ever and that he (Walcott) could knock you cold just by hitting you on top of your head. Walcott himself said that Marciano was a much harder puncher then the great Joe Louis. And Marciano ruined Charles in there 2 epic battles, check how Charles career went downhill after the last fight with Marciano. Archie Moore said nobody hit him as hard as Marciano and that the only man that could have beaten Foreman in a SLUGFEST was Marciano. Look at some of the Rock's opponents records after he was finished with them, Roland LaStarza who was considered the next Gene Tunney, was ruined by Marciano, so was Rex Layne. And as far as calling Marciano's opponents bums....check Ali's record.. Brian London, Alfredo Evangalista, Jean Pierre Coopman, Richard Dunn...should I go on? And Ali got some gift decisions also Jimmy Young, Doug Jones, and IMO Norton beat Ali all 3 times , whupped him in their 3rd fight at Yankee Stadium. And alot of his fights were BORING!!!! And according to people who were there when Marciano and Ali taped there superfightback in 68, Ali was on the set talkin S*** as usual, and Angelo Dundee said Maciano said to him "I DON'T LIKE HIM , HE TALKS TO MUCH!! So Dundee says give him a chance. So during filming Ali tries to knock off Marcianos hairpiece, so Marciano stars throwing hard punches at Ali, Ali's blocking the punches on his arms and starts complaining to the people on the set that Marciano hitting him hard, so Dundee says at the end of the day Ali's arms are bruised and sore, so Marciano comes over to Dundee and says, " He's a nice kid, but I would have murdered him when I was fighting. As my father told me "Marciano was tough son of a bitch!!

this is a good post CC---2 many marciano haters out there---marciano could have beaten his opponents with 1 arm and 1 leg and still not get credit

[bigragu]

Different times...cannot compare the two....Rocky got out in his prime....Had pressure coming at him from both ends to retire constantly (wife and mother). Hard to keep winning when those close to you oppose everything you're about. Had Rocky had the training of boxers during Ali's time and Ali had the training of Rocky's time, who knows, we may never have heard of either of them or the both could have still ruled their respective era's. Cannot compare the two. There was no rope-a-dope back then. and the gloves were definitely light years behind.

[bigragu]

all he did after missing 3years of his physical prime was come back and beat joe frazier and ken norton two out of three (the loss to norton he fought the majority of the fight with a busted grille), knocked george foreman out when george was in his prime and seemingly indestructible (that was after ali had already lost to frazier and norton and was thought to be thru)

he also had wins over quality guys like floyd patterson (twice), jerry quarry (twice), cleveland williams, ernie terrell, oscar bonavena, george chuvalo, ron lyle, henry cooper (twice overall--once pre liston, once post liston), jimmy ellis, zora folley, buster mathis, joe bugner (twice), chuck wepner, and jimmy young (who ended foremans first career with a legit win over him remember).

oh yeah and rocky marciano beat --in his absolute prime mind you ---thouroghly washed up versions of joe louis, ezzard charles, and joe walcott---oh and dont forget thoise world beaters donny cockell and roland lastarza---two househole names

marciano wasnt good enough to be ali's towel boy............

This shows you know very little about boxing with a statement like this, Marciano was perhaps the best conditioned fighter to ever step into the ring, not to mention freakish strength and punching power for 184ibs, a will and determination to win beyond human capicity and tenacity second to none. Marciano would have needed a shopping cart to push his heart around. And as far as Walcott and Charles being washed up, your crazy, Walcott was champion, Legendary trainer Eddie Futch said Walcott was one of the hardest punchers ever and that he (Walcott) could knock you cold just by hitting you on top of your head. Walcott himself said that Marciano was a much harder puncher then the great Joe Louis. And Marciano ruined Charles in there 2 epic battles, check how Charles career went downhill after the last fight with Marciano. Archie Moore said nobody hit him as hard as Marciano and that the only man that could have beaten Foreman in a SLUGFEST was Marciano. Look at some of the Rock's opponents records after he was finished with them, Roland LaStarza who was considered the next Gene Tunney, was ruined by Marciano, so was Rex Layne. And as far as calling Marciano's opponents bums....check Ali's record.. Brian London, Alfredo Evangalista, Jean Pierre Coopman, Richard Dunn...should I go on? And Ali got some gift decisions also Jimmy Young, Doug Jones, and IMO Norton beat Ali all 3 times , whupped him in their 3rd fight at Yankee Stadium. And alot of his fights were BORING!!!! And according to people who were there when Marciano and Ali taped there superfightback in 68, Ali was on the set talkin S*** as usual, and Angelo Dundee said Maciano said to him "I DON'T LIKE HIM , HE TALKS TO MUCH!! So Dundee says give him a chance. So during filming Ali tries to knock off Marcianos hairpiece, so Marciano stars throwing hard punches at Ali, Ali's blocking the punches on his arms and starts complaining to the people on the set that Marciano hitting him hard, so Dundee says at the end of the day Ali's arms are bruised and sore, so Marciano comes over to Dundee and says, " He's a nice kid, but I would have murdered him when I was fighting. As my father told me "Marciano was tough son of a bitch!!

Finally someone with real life accounts...Most people today have no knowledge of the HISTORY of Marciano or Marchegiano for youse that didn't know....Unbelieveable power....