Heavyweights who didnt acheive greatness but could of in a different era ???

[atomic bull]

Floyd "JUMBO" Cummings....... just kiddin

[mokele]

I reckon Georges Carpentier could hold his own against most of todays lot, well ok maybe not Wladimir :P

The point is today's heavies are really really bad. Could John Ruiz have been a two time world champ in any other era?

Carpentier would perhaps be a world class light heavy today, but champion, I doubt it. He lost many of his biggest fights, to Dempsey, Battling Siki, Tommy Gibbons, Gene Tunney and Tommy Loughran. Maybe he was past his prime for these fights but they all occurred when he was in his late 20s and early 30s. None of his recorded weights exceeded 175 lbs.:

http://boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=10604

He did fight as a heavyweight on a few occasions though, and beat Gunboat Smith:

1914-07-16 Gunboat Smith 49-7-5
London, England W DQ 6 20
~ European (EBU) Heavyweight Title ~
White Heavyweight Championship Of The World

Jack Johnson was heavyweight champ at the time.

He also fought and lost to the great negro heavyweight Joe Jeannette:

1914-03-21 Joe Jeannette 77-16-10
Paris, France L PTS 15 15

Quite simply, John Ruiz is a disgrace to world class heavyweight boxing because of his propensity for clinching. I reckon that a guy like Sonny Liston would have stopped Ruiz in 1 round, similar to what David Tua did. Even the much smaller Marciano would have probably knocked him out, though he might have had to wear him down 1st.

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

CHUCK WEPNE......LOLOLOLOL

[ono]

Tommy Morrison, Frank Bruno, Razor Rudduck, Ray Mercer, and Gerry Cooney would be title holders if they were in their prime right now

Fookin Nora BUtterbean could be a belt holder if he was in his prime now!

[cockey cockney]

Shavers could of been a great in another era for sure. Especially now days look at the shite we are faced with.....all these fooking rubish clowns ......ok rant over.

[undefeated]

a prime tyson would b 60-0 in this era

[greynotsoold]

I was never a heavyweight, though I certainly failed to achieve greatness....but these heavies today have me thinking comeback...

[SimonH]

a prime tyson would b 60-0 in this era

LOL; both Klitschko brothers do him; Brewster is a 30/70 shot, Rahman a 40/60 bet.

Tyson was superb when everyone was intimidated or intent on surviving against him.

[X]

What about heavyweights who did not achieve greatness, and also could not have in any other era?















John Ruiz

[cockey cockney]

a prime tyson would b 60-0 in this era

LOL; both Klitschko brothers do him; Brewster is a 30/70 shot, Rahman a 40/60 bet.

Tyson was superb when everyone was intimidated or intent on surviving against him.

Yeah Wlad's chin would do a great job of standing up to tysons power. He would Beat both Klitschko's, Brewster, Byrd, Toney, Valuev, Ruiz, Rahman with ease in his prime.

[LawHoops]

a prime tyson would b 60-0 in this era

LOL; both Klitschko brothers do him; Brewster is a 30/70 shot, Rahman a 40/60 bet.

Tyson was superb when everyone was intimidated or intent on surviving against him.

u have to be kidding---prime mike would have knocked wlad dead in round flat===period---he would have salivated at the mere thought of that little glass jaw

brewster wouuld have been brutalized beyond belief--he cant fight---i mean chuck shufford and cliff etienee whipped him---he went life and death with kali fookin meehan and just got whipped by sergei who? he even struggled with lu-anne krasniqui

rahman would have been an easy payday for mike back in the day...rahman cant fight, has no conditioning, and a chin thats begging to be hit--he couldnt get out the way of fat james toney's 37 yr old right hands----he would have been a dead duck for tyson in his prime ---period

only vit klit would have made it a fight because of his ring intelligence and his heart--although awkward , he had serious skills too.....just a little too robotic... i think mike would have been able to slip his jab consistently and def wore his body down with shots--rememeber---prime mike was no headhunter exclusively, he was an artist at working the body--he would have beat vit up and wore him down and kayoed him in the mid to late rounds

brew and rahman would have been lucky to get out of the first round and wlad would be kayoed in the first rd with a cold stare form mike

[LawHoops]

i think tim witherspoon would have fared well in this day and age in his prime...rememeber how much trouble he gave a close to prime larry holmes back in the day? tim wouldnt have broken a sweat with guys like rahman and ruiz--they would be tune-up fights for him...byrd would have been a joke

pinklon thomas--this guy could fight and had skills.....another guy that would have embarrassed ruiz and rahman

[muchmoore]

Jerry Quarry, was a good fighter, very tough. Just look at his losses: ali twice, frazier twice, foreman and ken Norton. All amazing fighters. I think in this day and age he could be a champ

Anyone else, you can think of

Sam Langford and Gerry Cooney come to mind.

[X]

Fair comment, but wasn't Langford too small at 5'6" though?

Or am I getting him confused with Joe Jeanette?

[muchmoore]

Boxrec has him at 5-8, which isnt too short, when you consider fat Toney is the same height and hes a force in this division...