Scientific Fraud

[El Kabong]

It must be. There's nothing funny about disorders.

Well enjoy your groupthink

[TitoFan]

[El Kabong]

John Oliver is an obnoxious twat and Bill Nye is last I checked a mechanical engineer who worshiped TV's Mr. Wizard.


Where are the "giant hurricanes" we have been promised and if the sea levels are going to rise then please explain why Al Gore of Vice President to Bill Clinton and 'An Inconvenient Truth' fame would buy a $9 million beachfront mansion....unless of course all the "science" he peddled was bunk?

And if there was truly Global Warming all these years....then
http://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/...record-maximum
....how did that happen in 2014?

"Record Maximum"....odd unless it was Global COOLING then MY GOD, WE'RE DOOMED!


Or this....
Global Warming Expedition Stopped In Its Tracks By Arctic Sea Ice | Climate Depot
....yes, how did THAT happen?


So yeah, you can take your "consensus" and cram it! Those motherfuckers still can't figure out El Nino & La Nina cycles much less what the long term effects of.....CO2 is going to do.....I'll take a guess....ummmm plants will breathe it in and then expell oxygen which has happened since there has been life on this fucking planet....comprende?

[TitoFan]

Climate change deniers can be profiled.


Profile of a Climate Denier - New Freethinkers


Here's an interesting excerpt:


Climate Change Denial is Psychological

Many climate change skeptics can present evidence or arguments against anthropogenic climate change. Psychological factors seem to play a huge role in determining who makes those claims and who does not. Social and economic conditions are also influential. Individuals who benefit from the social order use motivated reason to defend it from threats. The argument for climate change raises the risk of costly changes to society, and loss of freedom. People who benefit from that system, mostly white males, seem to feel the need to push back against environmentalists on climate change.

[El Kabong]

Climate change deniers can be profiled.


Profile of a Climate Denier - New Freethinkers


Here's an interesting excerpt:


Climate Change Denial is Psychological

Many climate change skeptics can present evidence or arguments against anthropogenic climate change. Psychological factors seem to play a huge role in determining who makes those claims and who does not. Social and economic conditions are also influential. Individuals who benefit from the social order use motivated reason to defend it from threats. The argument for climate change raises the risk of costly changes to society, and loss of freedom. People who benefit from that system, mostly white males, seem to feel the need to push back against environmentalists on climate change.

....uh huh, does that change the FACT that mother nature produces more CO2 than man?


No?

Shame that

[TitoFan]

Climate change deniers can be profiled.


Profile of a Climate Denier - New Freethinkers


Here's an interesting excerpt:


Climate Change Denial is Psychological

Many climate change skeptics can present evidence or arguments against anthropogenic climate change. Psychological factors seem to play a huge role in determining who makes those claims and who does not. Social and economic conditions are also influential. Individuals who benefit from the social order use motivated reason to defend it from threats. The argument for climate change raises the risk of costly changes to society, and loss of freedom. People who benefit from that system, mostly white males, seem to feel the need to push back against environmentalists on climate change.

....uh huh, does that change the FACT that mother nature produces more CO2 than man?


No?

Shame that

Which in and of itself means nothing toward your argument, if man does produce a significant quantity in the overall scheme of things. But be that as it may, it boils down to the same type of argument we usually have. You again adopt the extremist viewpoint, denying there can ever be ANY effect of man's carelessness on the environment.... while I just open the door to the possibility that we just might be affecting things a little to everyone's detriment... and that we could do better than just dismiss scientific studies as so much gobbledygook.

[El Kabong]

Which in and of itself means nothing toward your argument, if man does produce a significant quantity in the overall scheme of things. But be that as it may, it boils down to the same type of argument we usually have. You again adopt the extremist viewpoint, denying there can ever be ANY effect of man's carelessness on the environment.... while I just open the door to the possibility that we just might be affecting things a little to everyone's detriment... and that we could do better than just dismiss scientific studies as so much gobbledygook.

What SHOULD the climate be right now, what is the 100% best setting for our Earth's "thermostat" if you will?

I mean IF man has caused such a horrible impact on the climate then certainly someone could tell me what the climate would be like sans the impact of mankind and that setting is no doubt the default setting that Climate Alarmists would like to see us at.



I applaud your use of hyperbole "You again adopt the extremist viewpoint, denying there can ever be ANY effect of man's carelessness on the environment".....it makes every discussion with you ever so enjoyable.

[TitoFan]

Which in and of itself means nothing toward your argument, if man does produce a significant quantity in the overall scheme of things. But be that as it may, it boils down to the same type of argument we usually have. You again adopt the extremist viewpoint, denying there can ever be ANY effect of man's carelessness on the environment.... while I just open the door to the possibility that we just might be affecting things a little to everyone's detriment... and that we could do better than just dismiss scientific studies as so much gobbledygook.

What SHOULD the climate be right now, what is the 100% best setting for our Earth's "thermostat" if you will?

I mean IF man has caused such a horrible impact on the climate then certainly someone could tell me what the climate would be like sans the impact of mankind and that setting is no doubt the default setting that Climate Alarmists would like to see us at.



I applaud your use of hyperbole "You again adopt the extremist viewpoint, denying there can ever be ANY effect of man's carelessness on the environment".....it makes every discussion with you ever so enjoyable.

I know you prefer equally extremist, opposite viewpoints. It makes your nonsense seem logical in comparison. Unfortunately, when faced with neutrality and common sense, you become frustrated and lash out with your one-line zingers. If you prefer, I can side with the doomsayers and throw in a few global warming chants to get you going.

[El Kabong]

So that's no answer on what the climate SHOULD be? OK, thanks

[TitoFan]

So that's no answer on what the climate SHOULD be? OK, thanks

No.... there's no answer.

Then again I've never professed to be a climatologists. I'm guessing neither are you, but that doesn't stop you from dismissing everything that's said by scientists with a lot more knowledge on that topic than you. Nor does it stop you from ridiculing everyone that dares utter an opposing viewpoint to yours. Couple of pages back you even had your ass handed to you by someone who put forth a very good argument, although admittedly sans the one-line zingers you like to use so much.

Not that it matters for the sake of this conversation... but as in other topics, I find myself trying to talk a little objective sense into you, by looking at both sides of the argument... whereas you prefer your extremist point of view, shrugging off everything anyone else has to say, if it doesn't agree with you.

I can see why you don't get much joy out of our conversations.

[El Kabong]

No.... there's no answer.

Then again I've never professed to be a climatologists. I'm guessing neither are you, but that doesn't stop you from dismissing everything that's said by scientists with a lot more knowledge on that topic than you. Nor does it stop you from ridiculing everyone that dares utter an opposing viewpoint to yours. Couple of pages back you even had your ass handed to you by someone who put forth a very good argument, although admittedly sans the one-line zingers you like to use so much.

Not that it matters for the sake of this conversation... but as in other topics, I find myself trying to talk a little objective sense into you, by looking at both sides of the argument... whereas you prefer your extremist point of view, shrugging off everything anyone else has to say, if it doesn't agree with you.

I can see why you don't get much joy out of our conversations.

.....when Climate Change alarmist #1 Al Gore buys a $9 million house on the beachfront...the same Al Gore which said....



....then, nah, I don't buy into the "consensus"


Data has been fudged, and none of the climate models are accurate Freeman Dyson has said as much...but I guess he's not "scientist enough" to DARE question Anthropogenic Climate Change.


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[TitoFan]

Other than the fact that this guy takes 4 minutes to say what he could've said in 30 seconds, the message is good.









What Al Gore says or believes about global warming has NO BEARING on whatever the truth is, and where it lies on that continuum between 0% truth and 100% truth. Common sense. Second point, which doesn't surprise me at all.... is the stark reality that Gore's house is not at the water's edge, waiting to get swallowed up by the slightest rise in water level. I've read it's at least 25 feet above sea level, and about 700 feet from the coast line. I doubt during Gore's lifetime he's going to have to worry about that.

But that's not even the real point, because I'm not an Al Gore fan, nor do I trust what he says.
He's a lying, conniving jerk, as far as I'm concerned.

But here again..... latching onto Al Gore's stupidity and manipulation of the facts, in order to dismiss countless studies by scientists..... is a little like shouting "AHA!!!" after using an electron microscope to prove that a just-mopped floor isn't perfectly clean. You look hard enough for something to back up your mistaken viewpoint..... you'll find it.

[El Kabong]

What Al Gore says or believes about global warming has NO BEARING on whatever the truth is, and where it lies on that continuum between 0% truth and 100% truth. Common sense. Second point, which doesn't surprise me at all.... is the stark reality that Gore's house is not at the water's edge, waiting to get swallowed up by the slightest rise in water level. I've read it's at least 25 feet above sea level, and about 700 feet from the coast line. I doubt during Gore's lifetime he's going to have to worry about that.

But that's not even the real point, because I'm not an Al Gore fan, nor do I trust what he says.
He's a lying, conniving jerk, as far as I'm concerned.

But here again..... latching onto Al Gore's stupidity and manipulation of the facts, in order to dismiss countless studies by scientists..... is a little like shouting "AHA!!!" after using an electron microscope to prove that a just-mopped floor isn't perfectly clean. You look hard enough for something to back up your mistaken viewpoint..... you'll find it.

This is the man who LITERALLY predicted the end of the world....just let that sink in for a second.



Did Al Gore make money off of Anthropogenic Climate Change? Sure. Did he gain political power with Anthropogenic Climate Change? Absolutely.


Al Gore is set FOR LIFE and his kids lives because of Anthropogenic Climate Change...but you're telling me "Meh, he doesn't matter, he's not serious about it. He might be a snake oil salesman but everyone else in this industry is on the up and up."



I don't buy it, I won't buy it....#1 the Climate isn't static and #2 nobody can say with certainty what the climate SHOULD be...or at the very least nobody will make an argument for what the climate should be.

[TitoFan]

What Al Gore says or believes about global warming has NO BEARING on whatever the truth is, and where it lies on that continuum between 0% truth and 100% truth. Common sense. Second point, which doesn't surprise me at all.... is the stark reality that Gore's house is not at the water's edge, waiting to get swallowed up by the slightest rise in water level. I've read it's at least 25 feet above sea level, and about 700 feet from the coast line. I doubt during Gore's lifetime he's going to have to worry about that.

But that's not even the real point, because I'm not an Al Gore fan, nor do I trust what he says.
He's a lying, conniving jerk, as far as I'm concerned.

But here again..... latching onto Al Gore's stupidity and manipulation of the facts, in order to dismiss countless studies by scientists..... is a little like shouting "AHA!!!" after using an electron microscope to prove that a just-mopped floor isn't perfectly clean. You look hard enough for something to back up your mistaken viewpoint..... you'll find it.

This is the man who LITERALLY predicted the end of the world....just let that sink in for a second.



Did Al Gore make money off of Anthropogenic Climate Change? Sure. Did he gain political power with Anthropogenic Climate Change? Absolutely.


Al Gore is set FOR LIFE and his kids lives because of Anthropogenic Climate Change...but you're telling me "Meh, he doesn't matter, he's not serious about it. He might be a snake oil salesman but everyone else in this industry is on the up and up."



I don't buy it, I won't buy it....#1 the Climate isn't static and #2 nobody can say with certainty what the climate SHOULD be...or at the very least nobody will make an argument for what the climate should be.

Let's forget about Al Gore for the sake of this argument.
I'm not defending him... and I along with the rest of the universe don't think much about him.

Let's talk about the climate. You're absolutely right. Climate ISN'T static. No one is claiming that it should be. However, numbers such as average temperatures are not some obscure measurement, conjured up by some mad scientist working in the basement of his home. It's a pretty straightforward measurement. And as with ALL measurements, it depends greatly on how it's taken, as well as a myriad of other factors. If the average Earth temperature has been rising over the last several years.... I don't think it's cause for us to run screaming into the streets that the world is coming to an end. I think it's just a situation that merits further analysis and observation. But that's just my nature. I tend to be more paused and analytical than others. I'm not advocating mass panic. But on the other hand.... this annoying dismissal of scientific studies like they're some voodoo conspiracy against mankind is just that...... ANNOYING. Thereby my argument about extremes again. Why the insistence that all these studies and numbers are just crap? Do you rail against all other sciences in the same way? I certainly hope not.

[El Kabong]

Let's forget about Al Gore for the sake of this argument.
I'm not defending him... and I along with the rest of the universe don't think much about him.

Let's talk about the climate. You're absolutely right. Climate ISN'T static. No one is claiming that it should be. However, numbers such as average temperatures are not some obscure measurement, conjured up by some mad scientist working in the basement of his home. It's a pretty straightforward measurement. And as with ALL measurements, it depends greatly on how it's taken, as well as a myriad of other factors. If the average Earth temperature has been rising over the last several years.... I don't think it's cause for us to run screaming into the streets that the world is coming to an end. I think it's just a situation that merits further analysis and observation. But that's just my nature. I tend to be more paused and analytical than others. I'm not advocating mass panic. But on the other hand.... this annoying dismissal of scientific studies like they're some voodoo conspiracy against mankind is just that...... ANNOYING. Thereby my argument about extremes again. Why the insistence that all these studies and numbers are just crap? Do you rail against all other sciences in the same way? I certainly hope not.

Well sorry, Al Gore is one of the many people who has taken the flag of Anthropogenic Climate Change and used it to line his pockets, but that's not all he along with others are calling for the SILENCING of opposition (examples: Al Gore at SXSW: We Need to 'Punish Climate-Change Deniers' and 'Put a Price on Carbon' - EcoWatch, Landmark California bill would allow prosecution of climate-change skeptics - Washington Times, AG Lynch: DOJ Has Discussed Whether to Pursue Civil Action Against Climate Change Deniers, Bill Nye open to criminal charges, jail time for climate-change dissenters - Washington Times ) I'm sorry, but to me that doesn't look like science, that looks like coercion.....but alright let's take Gore out of the mix.


I'm not against people studying the effects of human activity on the environment, quite the opposite. I'm an outdoorsman, I love being in nature, I love hunting, I love fishing. But there comes a point where I feel like people are being railroaded into this groupthink....Humans MUST be causing the climate to change....and that's not seen as an opinion, it's seen as scientific fact and when scientists and law makers are saying "We're going to punish non-believers" then my bullshit alarm goes off....Why? Why punish "non-believers"? It seems more of a fundamentalist religious approach than a scientific approach does it not? Plato did not call for people who believed the Sun rotated around the Earth to be punished, he was punished for thinking the Earth rotated around the Sun.

Slow and steady wins the race, people jumping to "Day After Tomorrow" type conclusions, Doomsday predictions.....it's laughable. People talking about huge hurricanes that are going to destroy us all...I live in Hurricane Alley, I've seen fuck all hurricanes for YEARS and in some summers we've NEEDED hurricanes or at the very least tropical depressions to help out our water situation during the summer and early fall. I've seen very few tornadoes in the past few years as well....I mean I don't mind NOT seeing or being impacted by deadly weather, but to be tormented with the Hellfire and Brimstone-like predictions of the Climate Change Alarmists, I'm tired of it, it's the boy who cried wolf......not every snowstorm is a sign that the world will end, not every drop of rain is a man made tragedy, too much, too much and for far too long and I'm sorry now that I've lived the majority of my adult life with these preachers of doom and destruction without ANYTHING happening that could be nailed down as "man made" I'm done with them as scientists.

Look at anything they suggest as options....electric cars for example! Electric cars make 0 sense!!!! "Well you don't use gas in an electric car"......no, you don't, you use COAL FIRED POWER PLANTS! But electric cars are supposed to decrease the carbon footprint?!?!?! Windmills produce minimal energy AND kill scores of birds....better for the environment? Solar Power uses hazardous materials to make the panels, the panels take up great amounts of land and for what amount of energy? If someone was TRULY concerned with the environment then Nuclear would be the cry! Nuclear power now! Most efficient and produces less waste than any other form of energy.....yet Nuclear | Greenpeace International ....so what is the REAL crux of their argument?

They want a return to an agrarian society with socialism as their economic system....that is what you get when you piece the puzzle together and with that I will tell you MILLIONS OF PEOPLE WILL DIE....ergo I'm not buying into it.