Saddo's Official Pound 4 Pound List November, 2006

[CutMeMick]

I like the list....

Yeah...only because it has two Marquez's on it & you think that you can atleast score with one of them if there's enough tequillia to go round.

s abound to all...good discussions. Keep it up.

Kinda strange that for a shemale like you, booze, dick & men are always on your mind.... Your a real lonely.....ummmm... what can I call you..... ummm.... Your a real lonely thing, I guess....

[Wacko3205]

I like the list....

Yeah...only because it has two Marquez's on it & you think that you can atleast score with one of them if there's enough tequillia to go round.

s abound to all...good discussions. Keep it up.

Kinda strange that for a shemale like you, booze, dick & men are always on your mind.... Your a real lonely.....ummmm... what can I call you..... ummm.... Your a real lonely thing, I guess....

God that was weak. Just for that...I'm finally releasing that photo of your before you put on your boxing superstar get up.

You were warned...now suffer before all your peers!

Mwwwwwwwwuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh ha ha ha ha ha!!!

[CutMeMick]

Kinda does look a bit like you... Thanks for showing US the REAL YOU....


Don't worry we wont discriminate you, just cause you like to be on the receiving end of things.

[Wacko3205]

Kinda does look a bit like you... Thanks for showing US the REAL YOU....


Don't worry we wont discriminate you, just cause you like to be on the receiving end of things.

Alright alright...I admit...that one was a poor likeness...but this one...it's all you.

[Tickle Master]

Okay everyone...here's the link over in Wackoland for the P4P discussion: http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxing_fo...c,27714.0.html

The list is also posted below for those to lazy to crossover in to the land of the wacka's...discuss it wherever you like.

Cheers...& koneecheewah bitches.
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As of the month of November, 2006...here are the current changes that I have made to our P4P list.

Before we set it in stone, I want everyone to discuss it here & also if need be we can make changes...that's up to you...the forum goers.

I am going to keep this as the sticky-thread for our section here & once we get settled from month to month I will save the rankings & delete the thread & re-new it with each month or big fight.

Here's the list...so let's talk my brothers...

Saddo's Official Pound 4 Pound List November, 2006:

1: "Pretty Boy" Floyd Mayweather. Continuing to work his way through the ranks of each weight within arm's reach, Little Floyd cements his status as the #1 P4P Champion of recent years...filling in where Hopkins left off. Boasting recent wins over Gatti, Judah, Mitchell, & his 12 round unanimous decision over Carlos Baldomir, Mayweather has hung another strap around his waist. Impressively, Floyd is still running on an undefeated record of 37 wins with 24 knokckouts & always over coming the competition in humiliating fashion, Floyd has muscled his way to the top spot of the 147 mark. Only one strap & contender left to conquer & that is Margarito & his WBA ranking. Instead, Floyd has decided to defy all logic & odds as he makes a bid for the WBC's Light Middleweight Title. Who holds this title? None other than the Golden Boy Oscar De La Hoya, himself. In the past, Floyd has set insurmountable goals & he has always conquered them. On top of that, he has effectively answered quite a few questions pertaining to his chin & his ability to maintain the weights succesfully as he continues to rise to the occassion. A career defining win against any of the top 10 Welters or Light Welters should have solidified Mayweather's title as "The Man to Beat" & earned him accolades of respect, but for some reason...it did not come about. Floyd is even more hated & unappreciated now than before. Sad but true. Maybe a win over Oscar will change the mind of the people...maybe not. Maybe he will beat Oscar...maybe not. Can Floyd continue to rise above them all or will he fall to the ground like a star that's climbed to far into the atmosphere? Hard questions to answer...but one thing is for sure...no matter what Floyd does...he will always be plagued by the scorn of purists & casual fans alike.

2: Manny Pacquiao. Pacquiao has done a hell of a lot over the past 5 years and he just keeps on trucking. In winning or losing he's gained a shat load of fans. After beating the likes of Hussein, Velazquez, Lucero, and the great Marco Antonio Barrera he has stamped his name on the Super Bantamweight division. To date, his grip on the Super Feather & Featherweight division seems to be tightening also. After drawing with Marquez, Pacquiao moved on to score against Erik Morales with an impressive knockdown drag out fight that resulted in the first knock down & out loss of Morales glorious career. Pac, taking no gimmee's then moved on to stamp out a 12 rounder over the durable Oscar Larios. 4 months later a third fight with Morales would end abruptly in a 3rd round knockout of the Tijuana warrior...most likely ending the career of the great Erik "El Terrible" Morales. Now that a rematch with Marco Antonio Barrera has been solidified for March of 2007...Pacquiao's star can continue to rise to the heavens of boxing greatness...or fall scorching to the ground under the fists of another P4P legend...Barrera. Being a fan of Barrera...my money's on Pac. We shall see.

3: Ronald "Winky" Wright. Let's face it...Wright has worked hard to get to where he is and being in the #2 spot on a P4P list aint all that bad...but he goes down one...just due to the fact that Manny blew out a P4P great this month...if Wright humiliates Quartey...then we have a P4P delima on our hands. Winky Wright faces, quite often, the same scorn as Floyd Mayweather does...just not the same level of unappreciation that Mayweather does. Often criticized for being a safety first fighter...a boring fighter...blah blah blah blah. No matter what spews from the lips of the "couch bound arm chair warriors" as they clasp their remotes each Saturday night, Wright keeps on winning & surprising all. Of recent date Wright came to a controversial draw with our newly oppointed middleweight prince, Jermain Taylor. Prior to that...Wright shocked the world by humiliating Felix Trinidad & then boxing awkward, volume punching, Aussie Sam Solimon to a stand still. No matter what Wright does...he's rarely on the recieving end of love from the casual fan. Look for Wright to be taken to then end of his rope agianst Ike Quartey this December in what promises to be an action packed showdown.

4: Marco Antonio Barrera. By majority vote, the forums gave this man third place by a land slide...but once again..."the Baby Faced Assasin" get's dropped by Manny Pacquiao. Barrera has jumped leaps and bounds up through the weight classes and he has never turned down an offer taking on anyone and everyone that was ignorant enough to call his name. The two time conqueror of Morales & once victim of Manny Pacquiao now has the opportunity, once again, to prove his greatness next year as the date has been set for a rematch with the infamous Manny Pacquiao. With a win, not only is redemption at stake, but the chance to finally cement his name in pound for pound history. Barrera constantly betters himself with each outting and like a fine wine he seems to just age gracefully. The only dark horse here is that Barrera has toiled in rematch city all year with Juarez...& there were some struggles involved...it makes one wonder how he will hold up under the fists of Pac...who seems to be a wizard in rematches. You can't help but develop a taste for him. We gave Pac the bump to second place...2 notches above MAB due to the fact that he just keeps conquering and stepping up the opposition. Can the same be said for Barrera?

5: Rafael Marquez. Rafael Marquez is one of the best kept secrets in boxing. The Marquez brothers have both skyrocketed to fame in the last 3 or 4 years...but it's Rafael, with his blistering knockout power, that is finally starting to gain prestige. To see Marquez in form and on point is almost amazing. He currently runs a record of 39 fights, 36 wins with 32 knockouts, and 3 losses. Not too bad. He's brought a lot of recognition to the almost ignored Bantamweight division in recent years and he has defended his IBF strap nine times in a row. Again...not bad. The kid definently owns his division.

6: Joe Calzaghe. Joe Calzaghe has dominated his division from the get go and now takes a huge leap in our P4P Rankings! As an amatuer Calzaghe was nothing short of amazing...what he did Saturday March 3rd, 2006 was the accomplishment of his lifetime. His professional career consists of running undefeated in 41 fights with 31 ko's starting in 1993. That says it all. Joe just passed the turning point of his career by defeating world wide recognized top Super Middleweight IBF Title holder Jeff Lacy. The American public and world media has no other choice than to respect and recognize the Pride of Wales as the Undisputed Unified Super Middleweight Man of the Hour...he's all that and that much more. After going a the full 12 with Bika...Joe has faced some criticism...his logical opponant is 168lb Danish Kingpin Mikkel Kessler. If Joe were to play checkers & jump this challenge...his career could fall deep into question. Again...another year is nearly here...& another cliffhanger keeps our mouths watering. Will Joe rise to the occassion again? We shall see.

7: Ricky Hatton. Hatton, a lot like Floyd, has done a lot...but that nagging question has always been out there...who has Hatton done a lot against? Well...he beat Kostya Tszyu and he beat Maussa pretty damned convincingly...so that my friends equates to who and also a lot. Even though he has an undefeated record and always besting the competition, many showed him little respect...well he's got it now...or partially. Hatton was to take the U.S. by storm as he faced Collazo at 147lbs. The Welterweight division & his first opponant turned out to be a bit of a struggle for Hatton, he didn't win all of America over, & he's dropped back down to 140lbs...but being an unbiased Yank (or liking to think I am)...you want to give him a second chance...just to see if he's hype worthy. A future showdown with Floyd Mayweather Jr remains to be the focus of Hatton's career...but he's moved down since the questionable performance against Collazo & Floyd has skyrocketed upwards & even farther to 154. Next up he's set to face hard hitting Urango & if all goes well there...Castillo. Hefty plates for a thin menu. Let's see how he handles the buffet.

8: Jermain Taylor. After winning two decisions over Super Champion Bernard Hopkins and dominating everyone that he has faced to date...it's high time that Jermain be moved onto our list. Young, marketable, skilled, and powerful Jermain has cut an impressive record with wins against names like Hopkins, Joppy, Eduord, Cuevas, and Marquez. Recently drawing with Wright...Taylor remains on the list...but it's hard to say what will happen in the future of Jermain Taylor. A rematch with Wright is what fans probably most want...but a disgruntled Wright seems ready to pass on such after putting forth the fight of his career. Wright will take on Ike Quartey...& in a mind boggler...Taylor will take on Kassim Ouma. If that aint enough to keep you scratching your heads...our heir apparent has announced that he will vacate his titles & RUN up to 168lbs. Stranger things.

9: Juan Manuel Marquez. Oddly enough after his loss to Chris John...we brought Marquez back onto the list...and rightly so. With his impressive stoppage in his most recent outting against Jandaeng. Next on the list is Jimrex Jaca...after that...let's just hope that Marquez is sealing & stamping the envelope to appeal for a rematch against Chris John in the very near future. A fight that would gain redemption & one that he could clearly win...on nuetral soil.

10: Jose Luis Castillo. No explanation needed here...but maybe your wondering why he's in the 10 slot? Inactivity & conduct. Not fighting...not making weight...suspension s...blah blah blah. Look at the record and this guy has to make a splash in the P4P division. With wins over the best in his division and around the bend against the likes of Corrales, Casamayor, Johnston, Lazcano, Diaz, and a really really close one to Floyd...there aint much room to argue here. Castillo's exciting, powerful, and really hard to beat.

I agree on spot #1 and #2 but Winky is as always ranked too far above his skills. The guy would lose to both Taylor (again), Kessler and Calzage - he is american and that is the only reason that he is ranked so stupidly high.

Barrera should not be on the list as well as the extremly overrated Marquezs. Castillio has also nothing to do on that list at all. Taylor is rated to low as well as Calzaghe.

I would find a low spot for Chris John as well as Wlad Klitschko. Kessler could take the #10 spot.

[Wacko3205]

Okay everyone...here's the link over in Wackoland for the P4P discussion: http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxing_fo...c,27714.0.html

The list is also posted below for those to lazy to crossover in to the land of the wacka's...discuss it wherever you like.

Cheers...& koneecheewah bitches.
================================================== =
As of the month of November, 2006...here are the current changes that I have made to our P4P list.

Before we set it in stone, I want everyone to discuss it here & also if need be we can make changes...that's up to you...the forum goers.

I am going to keep this as the sticky-thread for our section here & once we get settled from month to month I will save the rankings & delete the thread & re-new it with each month or big fight.

Here's the list...so let's talk my brothers...

Saddo's Official Pound 4 Pound List November, 2006:

1: "Pretty Boy" Floyd Mayweather. Continuing to work his way through the ranks of each weight within arm's reach, Little Floyd cements his status as the #1 P4P Champion of recent years...filling in where Hopkins left off. Boasting recent wins over Gatti, Judah, Mitchell, & his 12 round unanimous decision over Carlos Baldomir, Mayweather has hung another strap around his waist. Impressively, Floyd is still running on an undefeated record of 37 wins with 24 knokckouts & always over coming the competition in humiliating fashion, Floyd has muscled his way to the top spot of the 147 mark. Only one strap & contender left to conquer & that is Margarito & his WBA ranking. Instead, Floyd has decided to defy all logic & odds as he makes a bid for the WBC's Light Middleweight Title. Who holds this title? None other than the Golden Boy Oscar De La Hoya, himself. In the past, Floyd has set insurmountable goals & he has always conquered them. On top of that, he has effectively answered quite a few questions pertaining to his chin & his ability to maintain the weights succesfully as he continues to rise to the occassion. A career defining win against any of the top 10 Welters or Light Welters should have solidified Mayweather's title as "The Man to Beat" & earned him accolades of respect, but for some reason...it did not come about. Floyd is even more hated & unappreciated now than before. Sad but true. Maybe a win over Oscar will change the mind of the people...maybe not. Maybe he will beat Oscar...maybe not. Can Floyd continue to rise above them all or will he fall to the ground like a star that's climbed to far into the atmosphere? Hard questions to answer...but one thing is for sure...no matter what Floyd does...he will always be plagued by the scorn of purists & casual fans alike.

2: Manny Pacquiao. Pacquiao has done a hell of a lot over the past 5 years and he just keeps on trucking. In winning or losing he's gained a shat load of fans. After beating the likes of Hussein, Velazquez, Lucero, and the great Marco Antonio Barrera he has stamped his name on the Super Bantamweight division. To date, his grip on the Super Feather & Featherweight division seems to be tightening also. After drawing with Marquez, Pacquiao moved on to score against Erik Morales with an impressive knockdown drag out fight that resulted in the first knock down & out loss of Morales glorious career. Pac, taking no gimmee's then moved on to stamp out a 12 rounder over the durable Oscar Larios. 4 months later a third fight with Morales would end abruptly in a 3rd round knockout of the Tijuana warrior...most likely ending the career of the great Erik "El Terrible" Morales. Now that a rematch with Marco Antonio Barrera has been solidified for March of 2007...Pacquiao's star can continue to rise to the heavens of boxing greatness...or fall scorching to the ground under the fists of another P4P legend...Barrera. Being a fan of Barrera...my money's on Pac. We shall see.

3: Ronald "Winky" Wright. Let's face it...Wright has worked hard to get to where he is and being in the #2 spot on a P4P list aint all that bad...but he goes down one...just due to the fact that Manny blew out a P4P great this month...if Wright humiliates Quartey...then we have a P4P delima on our hands. Winky Wright faces, quite often, the same scorn as Floyd Mayweather does...just not the same level of unappreciation that Mayweather does. Often criticized for being a safety first fighter...a boring fighter...blah blah blah blah. No matter what spews from the lips of the "couch bound arm chair warriors" as they clasp their remotes each Saturday night, Wright keeps on winning & surprising all. Of recent date Wright came to a controversial draw with our newly oppointed middleweight prince, Jermain Taylor. Prior to that...Wright shocked the world by humiliating Felix Trinidad & then boxing awkward, volume punching, Aussie Sam Solimon to a stand still. No matter what Wright does...he's rarely on the recieving end of love from the casual fan. Look for Wright to be taken to then end of his rope agianst Ike Quartey this December in what promises to be an action packed showdown.

4: Marco Antonio Barrera. By majority vote, the forums gave this man third place by a land slide...but once again..."the Baby Faced Assasin" get's dropped by Manny Pacquiao. Barrera has jumped leaps and bounds up through the weight classes and he has never turned down an offer taking on anyone and everyone that was ignorant enough to call his name. The two time conqueror of Morales & once victim of Manny Pacquiao now has the opportunity, once again, to prove his greatness next year as the date has been set for a rematch with the infamous Manny Pacquiao. With a win, not only is redemption at stake, but the chance to finally cement his name in pound for pound history. Barrera constantly betters himself with each outting and like a fine wine he seems to just age gracefully. The only dark horse here is that Barrera has toiled in rematch city all year with Juarez...& there were some struggles involved...it makes one wonder how he will hold up under the fists of Pac...who seems to be a wizard in rematches. You can't help but develop a taste for him. We gave Pac the bump to second place...2 notches above MAB due to the fact that he just keeps conquering and stepping up the opposition. Can the same be said for Barrera?

5: Rafael Marquez. Rafael Marquez is one of the best kept secrets in boxing. The Marquez brothers have both skyrocketed to fame in the last 3 or 4 years...but it's Rafael, with his blistering knockout power, that is finally starting to gain prestige. To see Marquez in form and on point is almost amazing. He currently runs a record of 39 fights, 36 wins with 32 knockouts, and 3 losses. Not too bad. He's brought a lot of recognition to the almost ignored Bantamweight division in recent years and he has defended his IBF strap nine times in a row. Again...not bad. The kid definently owns his division.

6: Joe Calzaghe. Joe Calzaghe has dominated his division from the get go and now takes a huge leap in our P4P Rankings! As an amatuer Calzaghe was nothing short of amazing...what he did Saturday March 3rd, 2006 was the accomplishment of his lifetime. His professional career consists of running undefeated in 41 fights with 31 ko's starting in 1993. That says it all. Joe just passed the turning point of his career by defeating world wide recognized top Super Middleweight IBF Title holder Jeff Lacy. The American public and world media has no other choice than to respect and recognize the Pride of Wales as the Undisputed Unified Super Middleweight Man of the Hour...he's all that and that much more. After going a the full 12 with Bika...Joe has faced some criticism...his logical opponant is 168lb Danish Kingpin Mikkel Kessler. If Joe were to play checkers & jump this challenge...his career could fall deep into question. Again...another year is nearly here...& another cliffhanger keeps our mouths watering. Will Joe rise to the occassion again? We shall see.

7: Ricky Hatton. Hatton, a lot like Floyd, has done a lot...but that nagging question has always been out there...who has Hatton done a lot against? Well...he beat Kostya Tszyu and he beat Maussa pretty damned convincingly...so that my friends equates to who and also a lot. Even though he has an undefeated record and always besting the competition, many showed him little respect...well he's got it now...or partially. Hatton was to take the U.S. by storm as he faced Collazo at 147lbs. The Welterweight division & his first opponant turned out to be a bit of a struggle for Hatton, he didn't win all of America over, & he's dropped back down to 140lbs...but being an unbiased Yank (or liking to think I am)...you want to give him a second chance...just to see if he's hype worthy. A future showdown with Floyd Mayweather Jr remains to be the focus of Hatton's career...but he's moved down since the questionable performance against Collazo & Floyd has skyrocketed upwards & even farther to 154. Next up he's set to face hard hitting Urango & if all goes well there...Castillo. Hefty plates for a thin menu. Let's see how he handles the buffet.

8: Jermain Taylor. After winning two decisions over Super Champion Bernard Hopkins and dominating everyone that he has faced to date...it's high time that Jermain be moved onto our list. Young, marketable, skilled, and powerful Jermain has cut an impressive record with wins against names like Hopkins, Joppy, Eduord, Cuevas, and Marquez. Recently drawing with Wright...Taylor remains on the list...but it's hard to say what will happen in the future of Jermain Taylor. A rematch with Wright is what fans probably most want...but a disgruntled Wright seems ready to pass on such after putting forth the fight of his career. Wright will take on Ike Quartey...& in a mind boggler...Taylor will take on Kassim Ouma. If that aint enough to keep you scratching your heads...our heir apparent has announced that he will vacate his titles & RUN up to 168lbs. Stranger things.

9: Juan Manuel Marquez. Oddly enough after his loss to Chris John...we brought Marquez back onto the list...and rightly so. With his impressive stoppage in his most recent outting against Jandaeng. Next on the list is Jimrex Jaca...after that...let's just hope that Marquez is sealing & stamping the envelope to appeal for a rematch against Chris John in the very near future. A fight that would gain redemption & one that he could clearly win...on nuetral soil.

10: Jose Luis Castillo. No explanation needed here...but maybe your wondering why he's in the 10 slot? Inactivity & conduct. Not fighting...not making weight...suspension s...blah blah blah. Look at the record and this guy has to make a splash in the P4P division. With wins over the best in his division and around the bend against the likes of Corrales, Casamayor, Johnston, Lazcano, Diaz, and a really really close one to Floyd...there aint much room to argue here. Castillo's exciting, powerful, and really hard to beat.

I agree on spot #1 and #2 but Winky is as always ranked too far above his skills. The guy would lose to both Taylor (again), Kessler and Calzage - he is american and that is the only reason that he is ranked so stupidly high.

Barrera should not be on the list as well as the extremly overrated Marquezs. Castillio has also nothing to do on that list at all. Taylor is rated to low as well as Calzaghe.

I would find a low spot for Chris John as well as Wlad Klitschko. Kessler could take the #10 spot.

Wer'e workin it all out.

Wright's skills speak for themselves though...he's damned near unbeatable when on point & he threw more punches & landed more punches against Taylor in their draw...so whether he got beaten is a matter of opinion...but he didn't get beaten.

Welcome to the forum. Have the Obligatory Wacko Welcome Wagon

[superheavyrhun]

Kinda does look a bit like you... Thanks for showing US the REAL YOU....


Don't worry we wont discriminate you, just cause you like to be on the receiving end of things.

Alright alright...I admit...that one was a poor likeness...but this one...it's all you.

Put on a pair of sunglasses and you've got it down! Anyhow....the real question is what kind of man has pictures of transvestites easily accessible on a computer? And I thought you were a clean living family man wackster.....

[Tickle Master]

Okay everyone...here's the link over in Wackoland for the P4P discussion: http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxing_fo...c,27714.0.html

The list is also posted below for those to lazy to crossover in to the land of the wacka's...discuss it wherever you like.

Cheers...& koneecheewah bitches.
================================================== =
As of the month of November, 2006...here are the current changes that I have made to our P4P list.

Before we set it in stone, I want everyone to discuss it here & also if need be we can make changes...that's up to you...the forum goers.

I am going to keep this as the sticky-thread for our section here & once we get settled from month to month I will save the rankings & delete the thread & re-new it with each month or big fight.

Here's the list...so let's talk my brothers...

Saddo's Official Pound 4 Pound List November, 2006:

1: "Pretty Boy" Floyd Mayweather. Continuing to work his way through the ranks of each weight within arm's reach, Little Floyd cements his status as the #1 P4P Champion of recent years...filling in where Hopkins left off. Boasting recent wins over Gatti, Judah, Mitchell, & his 12 round unanimous decision over Carlos Baldomir, Mayweather has hung another strap around his waist. Impressively, Floyd is still running on an undefeated record of 37 wins with 24 knokckouts & always over coming the competition in humiliating fashion, Floyd has muscled his way to the top spot of the 147 mark. Only one strap & contender left to conquer & that is Margarito & his WBA ranking. Instead, Floyd has decided to defy all logic & odds as he makes a bid for the WBC's Light Middleweight Title. Who holds this title? None other than the Golden Boy Oscar De La Hoya, himself. In the past, Floyd has set insurmountable goals & he has always conquered them. On top of that, he has effectively answered quite a few questions pertaining to his chin & his ability to maintain the weights succesfully as he continues to rise to the occassion. A career defining win against any of the top 10 Welters or Light Welters should have solidified Mayweather's title as "The Man to Beat" & earned him accolades of respect, but for some reason...it did not come about. Floyd is even more hated & unappreciated now than before. Sad but true. Maybe a win over Oscar will change the mind of the people...maybe not. Maybe he will beat Oscar...maybe not. Can Floyd continue to rise above them all or will he fall to the ground like a star that's climbed to far into the atmosphere? Hard questions to answer...but one thing is for sure...no matter what Floyd does...he will always be plagued by the scorn of purists & casual fans alike.

2: Manny Pacquiao. Pacquiao has done a hell of a lot over the past 5 years and he just keeps on trucking. In winning or losing he's gained a shat load of fans. After beating the likes of Hussein, Velazquez, Lucero, and the great Marco Antonio Barrera he has stamped his name on the Super Bantamweight division. To date, his grip on the Super Feather & Featherweight division seems to be tightening also. After drawing with Marquez, Pacquiao moved on to score against Erik Morales with an impressive knockdown drag out fight that resulted in the first knock down & out loss of Morales glorious career. Pac, taking no gimmee's then moved on to stamp out a 12 rounder over the durable Oscar Larios. 4 months later a third fight with Morales would end abruptly in a 3rd round knockout of the Tijuana warrior...most likely ending the career of the great Erik "El Terrible" Morales. Now that a rematch with Marco Antonio Barrera has been solidified for March of 2007...Pacquiao's star can continue to rise to the heavens of boxing greatness...or fall scorching to the ground under the fists of another P4P legend...Barrera. Being a fan of Barrera...my money's on Pac. We shall see.

3: Ronald "Winky" Wright. Let's face it...Wright has worked hard to get to where he is and being in the #2 spot on a P4P list aint all that bad...but he goes down one...just due to the fact that Manny blew out a P4P great this month...if Wright humiliates Quartey...then we have a P4P delima on our hands. Winky Wright faces, quite often, the same scorn as Floyd Mayweather does...just not the same level of unappreciation that Mayweather does. Often criticized for being a safety first fighter...a boring fighter...blah blah blah blah. No matter what spews from the lips of the "couch bound arm chair warriors" as they clasp their remotes each Saturday night, Wright keeps on winning & surprising all. Of recent date Wright came to a controversial draw with our newly oppointed middleweight prince, Jermain Taylor. Prior to that...Wright shocked the world by humiliating Felix Trinidad & then boxing awkward, volume punching, Aussie Sam Solimon to a stand still. No matter what Wright does...he's rarely on the recieving end of love from the casual fan. Look for Wright to be taken to then end of his rope agianst Ike Quartey this December in what promises to be an action packed showdown.

4: Marco Antonio Barrera. By majority vote, the forums gave this man third place by a land slide...but once again..."the Baby Faced Assasin" get's dropped by Manny Pacquiao. Barrera has jumped leaps and bounds up through the weight classes and he has never turned down an offer taking on anyone and everyone that was ignorant enough to call his name. The two time conqueror of Morales & once victim of Manny Pacquiao now has the opportunity, once again, to prove his greatness next year as the date has been set for a rematch with the infamous Manny Pacquiao. With a win, not only is redemption at stake, but the chance to finally cement his name in pound for pound history. Barrera constantly betters himself with each outting and like a fine wine he seems to just age gracefully. The only dark horse here is that Barrera has toiled in rematch city all year with Juarez...& there were some struggles involved...it makes one wonder how he will hold up under the fists of Pac...who seems to be a wizard in rematches. You can't help but develop a taste for him. We gave Pac the bump to second place...2 notches above MAB due to the fact that he just keeps conquering and stepping up the opposition. Can the same be said for Barrera?

5: Rafael Marquez. Rafael Marquez is one of the best kept secrets in boxing. The Marquez brothers have both skyrocketed to fame in the last 3 or 4 years...but it's Rafael, with his blistering knockout power, that is finally starting to gain prestige. To see Marquez in form and on point is almost amazing. He currently runs a record of 39 fights, 36 wins with 32 knockouts, and 3 losses. Not too bad. He's brought a lot of recognition to the almost ignored Bantamweight division in recent years and he has defended his IBF strap nine times in a row. Again...not bad. The kid definently owns his division.

6: Joe Calzaghe. Joe Calzaghe has dominated his division from the get go and now takes a huge leap in our P4P Rankings! As an amatuer Calzaghe was nothing short of amazing...what he did Saturday March 3rd, 2006 was the accomplishment of his lifetime. His professional career consists of running undefeated in 41 fights with 31 ko's starting in 1993. That says it all. Joe just passed the turning point of his career by defeating world wide recognized top Super Middleweight IBF Title holder Jeff Lacy. The American public and world media has no other choice than to respect and recognize the Pride of Wales as the Undisputed Unified Super Middleweight Man of the Hour...he's all that and that much more. After going a the full 12 with Bika...Joe has faced some criticism...his logical opponant is 168lb Danish Kingpin Mikkel Kessler. If Joe were to play checkers & jump this challenge...his career could fall deep into question. Again...another year is nearly here...& another cliffhanger keeps our mouths watering. Will Joe rise to the occassion again? We shall see.

7: Ricky Hatton. Hatton, a lot like Floyd, has done a lot...but that nagging question has always been out there...who has Hatton done a lot against? Well...he beat Kostya Tszyu and he beat Maussa pretty damned convincingly...so that my friends equates to who and also a lot. Even though he has an undefeated record and always besting the competition, many showed him little respect...well he's got it now...or partially. Hatton was to take the U.S. by storm as he faced Collazo at 147lbs. The Welterweight division & his first opponant turned out to be a bit of a struggle for Hatton, he didn't win all of America over, & he's dropped back down to 140lbs...but being an unbiased Yank (or liking to think I am)...you want to give him a second chance...just to see if he's hype worthy. A future showdown with Floyd Mayweather Jr remains to be the focus of Hatton's career...but he's moved down since the questionable performance against Collazo & Floyd has skyrocketed upwards & even farther to 154. Next up he's set to face hard hitting Urango & if all goes well there...Castillo. Hefty plates for a thin menu. Let's see how he handles the buffet.

8: Jermain Taylor. After winning two decisions over Super Champion Bernard Hopkins and dominating everyone that he has faced to date...it's high time that Jermain be moved onto our list. Young, marketable, skilled, and powerful Jermain has cut an impressive record with wins against names like Hopkins, Joppy, Eduord, Cuevas, and Marquez. Recently drawing with Wright...Taylor remains on the list...but it's hard to say what will happen in the future of Jermain Taylor. A rematch with Wright is what fans probably most want...but a disgruntled Wright seems ready to pass on such after putting forth the fight of his career. Wright will take on Ike Quartey...& in a mind boggler...Taylor will take on Kassim Ouma. If that aint enough to keep you scratching your heads...our heir apparent has announced that he will vacate his titles & RUN up to 168lbs. Stranger things.

9: Juan Manuel Marquez. Oddly enough after his loss to Chris John...we brought Marquez back onto the list...and rightly so. With his impressive stoppage in his most recent outting against Jandaeng. Next on the list is Jimrex Jaca...after that...let's just hope that Marquez is sealing & stamping the envelope to appeal for a rematch against Chris John in the very near future. A fight that would gain redemption & one that he could clearly win...on nuetral soil.

10: Jose Luis Castillo. No explanation needed here...but maybe your wondering why he's in the 10 slot? Inactivity & conduct. Not fighting...not making weight...suspension s...blah blah blah. Look at the record and this guy has to make a splash in the P4P division. With wins over the best in his division and around the bend against the likes of Corrales, Casamayor, Johnston, Lazcano, Diaz, and a really really close one to Floyd...there aint much room to argue here. Castillo's exciting, powerful, and really hard to beat.

I agree on spot #1 and #2 but Winky is as always ranked too far above his skills. The guy would lose to both Taylor (again), Kessler and Calzage - he is american and that is the only reason that he is ranked so stupidly high.

Barrera should not be on the list as well as the extremly overrated Marquezs. Castillio has also nothing to do on that list at all. Taylor is rated to low as well as Calzaghe.

I would find a low spot for Chris John as well as Wlad Klitschko. Kessler could take the #10 spot.

Wer'e workin it all out.

Wright's skills speak for themselves though...he's damned near unbeatable when on point & he threw more punches & landed more punches against Taylor in their draw...so whether he got beaten is a matter of opinion...but he didn't get beaten.

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Put Winky up against boxers like Kess and Calzaghe and my very honest bid would be that Winky would win very few rounds if any against Kessler. Calzaghe is becomming old and Winky might steal a few rounds from him but still loose bit time.

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Put Winky up against boxers like Kess and Calzaghe and my very honest bid would be that Winky would win very few rounds if any against Kessler. Calzaghe is becomming old and Winky might steal a few rounds from him but still loose bit time.

Disagree 100% all the way around.

Kessler is wide open after he throws his straight right & Winky could counter after hiding behind that brab locked elbows style of defense. Kessler's good & he's powerful...but so was Tito...& he never got through...granted...Kessler's a lot more powerul...but then again...so was Tito.

Calzaghe would be a bit tougher due to volume...but Wright does well against volulme punchers with his peek a boo style.

I wouldn't right him off so easily.

[DaxxKahn]

Okay everyone...here's the link over in Wackoland for the P4P discussion: http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxing_fo...c,27714.0.html

The list is also posted below for those to lazy to crossover in to the land of the wacka's...discuss it wherever you like.

Cheers...& koneecheewah bitches.
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As of the month of November, 2006...here are the current changes that I have made to our P4P list.

Before we set it in stone, I want everyone to discuss it here & also if need be we can make changes...that's up to you...the forum goers.

I am going to keep this as the sticky-thread for our section here & once we get settled from month to month I will save the rankings & delete the thread & re-new it with each month or big fight.

Here's the list...so let's talk my brothers...

Saddo's Official Pound 4 Pound List November, 2006:

1: "Pretty Boy" Floyd Mayweather. Continuing to work his way through the ranks of each weight within arm's reach, Little Floyd cements his status as the #1 P4P Champion of recent years...filling in where Hopkins left off. Boasting recent wins over Gatti, Judah, Mitchell, & his 12 round unanimous decision over Carlos Baldomir, Mayweather has hung another strap around his waist. Impressively, Floyd is still running on an undefeated record of 37 wins with 24 knokckouts & always over coming the competition in humiliating fashion, Floyd has muscled his way to the top spot of the 147 mark. Only one strap & contender left to conquer & that is Margarito & his WBA ranking. Instead, Floyd has decided to defy all logic & odds as he makes a bid for the WBC's Light Middleweight Title. Who holds this title? None other than the Golden Boy Oscar De La Hoya, himself. In the past, Floyd has set insurmountable goals & he has always conquered them. On top of that, he has effectively answered quite a few questions pertaining to his chin & his ability to maintain the weights succesfully as he continues to rise to the occassion. A career defining win against any of the top 10 Welters or Light Welters should have solidified Mayweather's title as "The Man to Beat" & earned him accolades of respect, but for some reason...it did not come about. Floyd is even more hated & unappreciated now than before. Sad but true. Maybe a win over Oscar will change the mind of the people...maybe not. Maybe he will beat Oscar...maybe not. Can Floyd continue to rise above them all or will he fall to the ground like a star that's climbed to far into the atmosphere? Hard questions to answer...but one thing is for sure...no matter what Floyd does...he will always be plagued by the scorn of purists & casual fans alike.

2: Manny Pacquiao. Pacquiao has done a hell of a lot over the past 5 years and he just keeps on trucking. In winning or losing he's gained a shat load of fans. After beating the likes of Hussein, Velazquez, Lucero, and the great Marco Antonio Barrera he has stamped his name on the Super Bantamweight division. To date, his grip on the Super Feather & Featherweight division seems to be tightening also. After drawing with Marquez, Pacquiao moved on to score against Erik Morales with an impressive knockdown drag out fight that resulted in the first knock down & out loss of Morales glorious career. Pac, taking no gimmee's then moved on to stamp out a 12 rounder over the durable Oscar Larios. 4 months later a third fight with Morales would end abruptly in a 3rd round knockout of the Tijuana warrior...most likely ending the career of the great Erik "El Terrible" Morales. Now that a rematch with Marco Antonio Barrera has been solidified for March of 2007...Pacquiao's star can continue to rise to the heavens of boxing greatness...or fall scorching to the ground under the fists of another P4P legend...Barrera. Being a fan of Barrera...my money's on Pac. We shall see.

3: Ronald "Winky" Wright. Let's face it...Wright has worked hard to get to where he is and being in the #2 spot on a P4P list aint all that bad...but he goes down one...just due to the fact that Manny blew out a P4P great this month...if Wright humiliates Quartey...then we have a P4P delima on our hands. Winky Wright faces, quite often, the same scorn as Floyd Mayweather does...just not the same level of unappreciation that Mayweather does. Often criticized for being a safety first fighter...a boring fighter...blah blah blah blah. No matter what spews from the lips of the "couch bound arm chair warriors" as they clasp their remotes each Saturday night, Wright keeps on winning & surprising all. Of recent date Wright came to a controversial draw with our newly oppointed middleweight prince, Jermain Taylor. Prior to that...Wright shocked the world by humiliating Felix Trinidad & then boxing awkward, volume punching, Aussie Sam Solimon to a stand still. No matter what Wright does...he's rarely on the recieving end of love from the casual fan. Look for Wright to be taken to then end of his rope agianst Ike Quartey this December in what promises to be an action packed showdown.

4: Marco Antonio Barrera. By majority vote, the forums gave this man third place by a land slide...but once again..."the Baby Faced Assasin" get's dropped by Manny Pacquiao. Barrera has jumped leaps and bounds up through the weight classes and he has never turned down an offer taking on anyone and everyone that was ignorant enough to call his name. The two time conqueror of Morales & once victim of Manny Pacquiao now has the opportunity, once again, to prove his greatness next year as the date has been set for a rematch with the infamous Manny Pacquiao. With a win, not only is redemption at stake, but the chance to finally cement his name in pound for pound history. Barrera constantly betters himself with each outting and like a fine wine he seems to just age gracefully. The only dark horse here is that Barrera has toiled in rematch city all year with Juarez...& there were some struggles involved...it makes one wonder how he will hold up under the fists of Pac...who seems to be a wizard in rematches. You can't help but develop a taste for him. We gave Pac the bump to second place...2 notches above MAB due to the fact that he just keeps conquering and stepping up the opposition. Can the same be said for Barrera?

5: Rafael Marquez. Rafael Marquez is one of the best kept secrets in boxing. The Marquez brothers have both skyrocketed to fame in the last 3 or 4 years...but it's Rafael, with his blistering knockout power, that is finally starting to gain prestige. To see Marquez in form and on point is almost amazing. He currently runs a record of 39 fights, 36 wins with 32 knockouts, and 3 losses. Not too bad. He's brought a lot of recognition to the almost ignored Bantamweight division in recent years and he has defended his IBF strap nine times in a row. Again...not bad. The kid definently owns his division.

6: Joe Calzaghe. Joe Calzaghe has dominated his division from the get go and now takes a huge leap in our P4P Rankings! As an amatuer Calzaghe was nothing short of amazing...what he did Saturday March 3rd, 2006 was the accomplishment of his lifetime. His professional career consists of running undefeated in 41 fights with 31 ko's starting in 1993. That says it all. Joe just passed the turning point of his career by defeating world wide recognized top Super Middleweight IBF Title holder Jeff Lacy. The American public and world media has no other choice than to respect and recognize the Pride of Wales as the Undisputed Unified Super Middleweight Man of the Hour...he's all that and that much more. After going a the full 12 with Bika...Joe has faced some criticism...his logical opponant is 168lb Danish Kingpin Mikkel Kessler. If Joe were to play checkers & jump this challenge...his career could fall deep into question. Again...another year is nearly here...& another cliffhanger keeps our mouths watering. Will Joe rise to the occassion again? We shall see.

7: Ricky Hatton. Hatton, a lot like Floyd, has done a lot...but that nagging question has always been out there...who has Hatton done a lot against? Well...he beat Kostya Tszyu and he beat Maussa pretty damned convincingly...so that my friends equates to who and also a lot. Even though he has an undefeated record and always besting the competition, many showed him little respect...well he's got it now...or partially. Hatton was to take the U.S. by storm as he faced Collazo at 147lbs. The Welterweight division & his first opponant turned out to be a bit of a struggle for Hatton, he didn't win all of America over, & he's dropped back down to 140lbs...but being an unbiased Yank (or liking to think I am)...you want to give him a second chance...just to see if he's hype worthy. A future showdown with Floyd Mayweather Jr remains to be the focus of Hatton's career...but he's moved down since the questionable performance against Collazo & Floyd has skyrocketed upwards & even farther to 154. Next up he's set to face hard hitting Urango & if all goes well there...Castillo. Hefty plates for a thin menu. Let's see how he handles the buffet.

8: Jermain Taylor. After winning two decisions over Super Champion Bernard Hopkins and dominating everyone that he has faced to date...it's high time that Jermain be moved onto our list. Young, marketable, skilled, and powerful Jermain has cut an impressive record with wins against names like Hopkins, Joppy, Eduord, Cuevas, and Marquez. Recently drawing with Wright...Taylor remains on the list...but it's hard to say what will happen in the future of Jermain Taylor. A rematch with Wright is what fans probably most want...but a disgruntled Wright seems ready to pass on such after putting forth the fight of his career. Wright will take on Ike Quartey...& in a mind boggler...Taylor will take on Kassim Ouma. If that aint enough to keep you scratching your heads...our heir apparent has announced that he will vacate his titles & RUN up to 168lbs. Stranger things.

9: Juan Manuel Marquez. Oddly enough after his loss to Chris John...we brought Marquez back onto the list...and rightly so. With his impressive stoppage in his most recent outting against Jandaeng. Next on the list is Jimrex Jaca...after that...let's just hope that Marquez is sealing & stamping the envelope to appeal for a rematch against Chris John in the very near future. A fight that would gain redemption & one that he could clearly win...on nuetral soil.

10: Jose Luis Castillo. No explanation needed here...but maybe your wondering why he's in the 10 slot? Inactivity & conduct. Not fighting...not making weight...suspension s...blah blah blah. Look at the record and this guy has to make a splash in the P4P division. With wins over the best in his division and around the bend against the likes of Corrales, Casamayor, Johnston, Lazcano, Diaz, and a really really close one to Floyd...there aint much room to argue here. Castillo's exciting, powerful, and really hard to beat.

I agree on spot #1 and #2 but Winky is as always ranked too far above his skills. The guy would lose to both Taylor (again), Kessler and Calzage - he is american and that is the only reason that he is ranked so stupidly high.

Barrera should not be on the list as well as the extremly overrated Marquezs. Castillio has also nothing to do on that list at all. Taylor is rated to low as well as Calzaghe.

I would find a low spot for Chris John as well as Wlad Klitschko. Kessler could take the #10 spot.

Wer'e workin it all out.

Wright's skills speak for themselves though...he's damned near unbeatable when on point & he threw more punches & landed more punches against Taylor in their draw...so whether he got beaten is a matter of opinion...but he didn't get beaten.

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Put Winky up against boxers like Kess and Calzaghe and my very honest bid would be that Winky would win very few rounds if any against Kessler. Calzaghe is becomming old and Winky might steal a few rounds from him but still loose bit time.

Thats just Crazy Talk or very bisaed which evr but....Kessler nor Calzaghe have ever been in with someone the likes of Wright.....Not that either is a bad fighter but IMO and A lot of others will agree Winkey had the style to beat anyone....Taylor was given a gift and he KNOWS IT!!!!!......You caqn argue the point on who belongs at #1 Wright or Mayweather all day but Winkey belongs no farther down than 2nd...He is a defensive master....Who would eat up Kessler and frustrate Calzaghe all day.....You can't beat a man you can't hit cleanly...And Wright is VERY hard to caqtch clean

[happytrip]

Why not Manny Pacquiao at #1?I think Manny after knocking out Morales deserves to be on top of the list.PBF did not impressed a lot of fans with his win against Baldomir.

[Saddo]

i agree with happytrip for me Mayweather needs to move down 2 spaces at the very least as he aint done much as of late to warrent the top spot.

[bcollins]

being the best P4P doesn't mean getting shrunk or made bigger... it's who who has the best skills and can apply them over the biggest range of weight classes.
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For me any way... we need a clear cut definition really... :P

That's really at the heart of the debate...people have such different concepts of what the p4p label describes.
Skillwise, I'd have to give PBF the top spot - there is little question he has more technical skill than Pacquiao. On the other hand, Pacquiao's resume of late makes PBF's look weak (and yes, this is my opinion).

So how about we come up with a set of criteria for determining the p4p list? Some sort of checklist or point system? It would clear a lot of confusion and ensure that the p4p list isn't a glorified popularity contest.

Oh yeah - I pretty much agree with that list. I'd probably make a few changes, personally, but I can easily agree with it as it stands. Thanks for the hard work going into putting it together!

[smashup]

That's a very good suggestion bcollins are fighters being voted on how they are still pecieved at the given time, or by what they are actually doing in the ring at the time?
Because if it goes on the latter then Pacman jumps PBF,no question!