If you had to pick just one fighting dicslipline

[Vessel]

I love muay thai when I use to take it and I did very well in it. But I soon found out that Muay thai is superior in offense but lacks and successful defense. Watch any Muay thai fighter I will suggest the champions they are hardcore with attacks but lacks a good defense. Boxing or kick boxing is much more sound. I when most of my fights on defense alone cause in a street fight everyone always goes offensive so the person the the strongest arsenal wins. I always thought that was stupid So I will look to counter if anything. Muay thai the stance alone is present a balance problem but none the less the art is deadly I suggest you look deep inside of yourself and find out what fits you.

[cringer]

The one thing I would suggest to you is to throw in some wrestling take down defense. If you're a stand up fighter, you better make sure that you know how to keep the fight standing!

I cant remeber the boxers name, I saw it in a ufc ko dvd.

I agree with you on the boxing discpline and learning kicks and take downs, cause a boxer knows how to us range and could fake opponets and then come in with some good hits.

I agree.

For my money, if I could be super skilled @ 2 disciplines, I would be a striker with a wrestling background.
Call me old fashioned, but I loved when Mark Coleman could stay out of his opponent's reach, & still had the speed to be able to shoot for a quick takedown & then pound mercilessly for a tap.
Good times.

I would still always respect a Brazilian submission guy from the Gracie camp.
But I prefer the smashing of the face.
Thanks

funny you say that about mark Coleman, I seen a match when he fought a former boxer that used kicks on him and stayed out of his range, Coleman was up against the cage scared.

Do you know who the box was?

I was looking at the intro clips by Clinton Woods and I can't help but continuing to think that pound for pound I'll take a boxer in a stand up match over any other disclipline. Take some time to learn a few kicks, a few submissions if it hits the ground, and that to me is one nasty fella.

Thoughts?

I agree

[cringer]

mark coleman was worn out cause he didnt have the condtioning of the boxer so he couldnt even beat him when he wasnt tired.

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The one thing I would suggest to you is to throw in some wrestling take down defense. If you're a stand up fighter, you better make sure that you know how to keep the fight standing!

I cant remeber the boxers name, I saw it in a ufc ko dvd.

I agree with you on the boxing discpline and learning kicks and take downs, cause a boxer knows how to us range and could fake opponets and then come in with some good hits.

I agree.

[VictorCharlie]

I think a big part of that Coleman/Williams fights was that Mark underestimated Pete. Mark was considered unbeatable at that juncture. When Mark couldn't take Pete down to work his ground and pound and the fight was going to have to be fought standing I knew it was trouble for Mark. I doubt it ever crossed Mark's mind during training the concept that he might be forced to trade strikes standing up for most of the fight. I think sherdog is correct at 13 minutes of the first round, b/c that was back when they still had the two 15 minute round fights.

[Von Milash]

lots of great stuff here. thanks guy.

I think after reading this I've decided to take some boxing. Because they're such skilled strikers and spar a lot. I think Muay Thai guys are tough mofos but it doesn't seem to have the same amount of sweet science in it. (plus the closest guym is abit too far from my) I think if I become a great striker first, I can always add the kicking game on my own in the basement against the heavy bag simply by emulating what I see them do on tape and in books. Plus I like the grat defensive aspect of boxing. The way they can bob and weave and not get hit is great.

[Emelianenko]

Muay Thai

The dutch form of Muay Thai is better. They actually work on boxing aspect..ie the likes of ernesto hoost and so on. But in a street fight elbows r deadly weapons. Leg kicks are no jokes, in the ring those guys legs are conditioned, on the street not every1s legs r conditioned to that level, a powerful kick to the thigh will deaden anymans leg on the street and take em off balance or even to their knees.

As someone stated earlier, learning basic takedown defence and basic groundgame is important also.

Arts like Muay Thai etc may not look fancy, but thts cus it gets straight to the point and not none of this fancy crap.

Matt Thornton explains very nicely about Alive Training and why a lot of these traditional martial arts look fancy and deadly but in a real life situation its all a load of bollocks.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...=matt+thornton

[babyboNe]

ninjutsu...a fighting style i'll be loyal to for life...it has bone braking self defense move to aggressive ground fighting skills even swords skills...its a fighting style illegal to some places though i hear...only a few know about the fighting style...if you find a dojo teaching ninjutsu you shouldn't even think twice about joinning...

[Von Milash]

in a real life situation its all a load of bollocks.

Interesting. That's part of why I chose boxing to start with. Fights come down to punching. Boxers excel at it and they excel at ducking punches. I've seen footage and live demos of a karate class, and while there's surely more to it than what I'm about to say, repeating a little chop with a "hi'YA!" aint gonna do jack squat in a real situation. It aint about rules and points... it's about what saves your ass. That's why I truly question the practicality of many martial arts. Great in tournaments, but in life.... don't know. Example, my boss is taking soem form of jujitsu... he's showed me a simple maneuver....I tried it on my wife, it didn't work. How many times have you heard a martial artist, while showing you a move say, "you're not supposed to react that way!"

The liveness aspect is a good point. However, in the beginning it's more important to work on simple things like footwork and form, and liveness in the begining would not allow for that. But that's whay great about boxing, IMO, is that sparring is liveness. Liveness is needed eventually, but not right out of the gate, IMO.

[Von Milash]

BTW, I started with boxing over muay thai because I beleive my western boxing form and technique will be a better foundation of basic striking than Muay tHai.... ie, transition from boxing to MT is more effective than starting with MT. MT guys hands are out, ribs exposed, no bobbing and weaving, etc. But I do admire the kicking ability of MT guys.

[Entragian]

Just to be a bad ass mo fo against you're average person I'd pick wrestling hands down. Odds are, even if you are good at stand up, you're gonna find yourself tied up with someone. You can really make people look flat out stupid if you have even a remote wrestling background. You might be physically weaker, but you'll come out looking far stronger by just knowing positioning and body movement alone. I've watched a 103 pound state champion make a 245 pound defensive end look like a fool. It it truely glorious. A wrestler can generally make your average joe's face melt. You don't even need the submissions at that level. Ground and pound.

[Entragian]

On a side note, if I had it all to do over again I'd would have spent as much time as possible boxing. Not because I want to be a bad ass mo fo in a street fight, but because I absolutely love the sport. I honestly think it's the greatest sport ever conceived by the minds of mortal man. As you can probably guess I love wrestling too, but I'll be the first to admit it's not nearly as exciting to watch.

[Von Milash]

Entragian,

I guess in that regard, the strategic use of leverage in westling is much the same as in judo.

[neverscared]

I pick being me, im Superman

[bigragu]

Muay Thai without question. Generally, going to the ground in a street fight is not a good idea unless you're in the middle of a large empty space and there's nobody around but the guy you're fighting. Getting kicked in the head by your opponent's friends isn't fun.

So if ground fighting styles are not the best option, BJJ is out. Of the standup arts, Muay Thai has always proven to be the most effective style of the styles that train with any real form of sparring. It could be argued that other styles are more effective because they teach eye gouging, groin strikes, etc. But most of these styles do not train with aggressive sparring and IMO, there's nothing that prepares you for a fight like putting on a pair of gloves/pads and having someone try to knock the snot out of you. Not only that, but if you gouge out somebody's eyes, you're in trouble unless they're MUCH larger than you or they have a weapon.

right...but let's face it most people don't know how to fight...they try to tackle each other and most fights wind up on the ground...I have stepped to the side many times sending those drunken bums to the earth with a well placed uppercut/hook combo...they almost always put their heads down and charge....sit back and watch the next fight .....you'll see what I mean...Boxing is great for self defense....besides It's a felony in the U.S. to strike an individual that is on the ground...you cannot kick or hit them.....so KO their ass before that....