Is it time for a Super Heavyweight division?

[NUCLEAR BULL]

no way, the heavyweight divison should stay as it is

[spreeul8r]

Nope, no more divisions.

Valuev just needs to fight some good fighters. Most of the guys he has fought are poor missmatches. Pure and simple, its just crappy matchmaking that makes Valuev look so dominant.

I reckon he'd look more co-ordinated and his fights would be more entertaining if he fought real contenders. And if possible, guys over 6'4.

[Kev]

240 lbs. is still too low for me. I would start at 250. There are plenty of guys weighing 250 lbs. or more in boxing today.

Valuev's destruction of Owen Beck gives additional credence to the notion that some guys are so big that if they have any skills at all, they're too strong for the regular sized heavyweights. Valuev is still not that skilled but he's good enough. His technique is improving. Beck was surprised as heck, no pun intended. He said that Valuev did some things that they didn't see on tapes of Valuev's previous fights. Once Valuev uses combinations and gets more leverage on his punches it's all over for most of the smaller heavyweights. They won't stand a chance. It's bordering on an unfair contest to pit Valuev against guys in the 200 to 240 lb. range. Even most guys around 250 lbs. are overmatched. If Valuev fought Ruiz again I think he would knock the "quiet man" out.

You cannot possibly argue that Valuev is too big for the heavyweight division simply because he could possibly knock out John Ruiz in a rematch!

There are loads of fighters from the past who everyone on this board would take to beat Valuev, Lewis, Ali, Holmes, prime Tyson, prime Holyfield, Jack Johnson, Sonny Liston, George Foreman etc. Wlad would be an overwhelming favourite to beat him with the vast majority of fans as well, although personally I'll be rooting for the Sasquatch if that fight ever takes place.

I propose that boxing goes the other way in fact. Get rid of all the junior weights and just have 8 weight divisions. Much more fun!

[bigragu]

No there will NEVER be a reason to have a super heavyweight division....if it starts at 240 then what are people going to say about Valuev he's 320+ pounds...people will call for bigger and bigger divisions.

Heavyweights aren't usually the fighters killed in the ring, yeah people can get hurt but it hasn't been a recent issue for the heavyweights.

The division is fine as it is....if you make a superheavyweight division where do the superstars go? Heavyweight is the MAIN division of boxing if you make another division you'll essentially have 3 cruiserweight divisions!

I thought they did that in the 80's...it wound up being a bunch of fat men fighting each other.....it was not good fighting.....quite painful to watch actually...it didn't last long at all....

[El Kabong]

The "super heavy division" has been tried before...here's a name for all you PRO SuperHeavyweight Division jackasses


PRIMO CARNERA

Big goofy and a horrible fighter....yet I'd pick him to beat a guy like Valuev

[squealpiggy]

If there was a legion of huge fighters over 6'7 and 250 lbs who dominated every heavyweight bout meaning that there was a whole gamut of 6'3 230 lb fighters who were basically left without a division then there may be a case for introducing a new division. As it happens the heavyweight division is dominated by fighters weighing 220 - 240 lbs and has been ever since the Cruiserweight division was conceived. Valuev is really the only truly massive heavyweight and he's never fought a real fighter. He could unify the division, he has the strength, skills and power to do so. Could he have unified the division ten eyars ago? Doubtful. But we're in a weak era for heavyweights at the moment.

[bigragu]

probably maybe 240 plus

I thought the weight difference between holyfield and lewis was a bit much...if my mind serves me correctly

no way...you don't see a superweight football league do you?....or rugby...or basketball...or baseball...hockey...Hw meand HW.....if you can't hang time to get out...

[bigragu]

Does anyone really think that Valuev would have ever beaten Muhammed Ali, Joe Louis, Rocky Marciano, Jack Dempsey, Mike Tyson, Lennox Lewis, Vitali Klitschko, Joe Frazier, Evander Holyfield etc etc?

Marciano, Dempsey and maybe even Frazier if his chin is good enough...

Evolution, means Valuev puts himself in a great posiition to beat all three of them, IMO.

I'm wondering if Frazier can even reach Valuev chin?

he could reach those ribs......

[El Kabong]

Yeah it ain't like Valuev can move fast anyways...he's 7'0 and 320+ pounds of a heavybag with a jab is what it boils down to

[sexydarin]

But if it were a lightweight fighting a heavyweight, then you would hear the cries of not fair not fair. The heavyweights are the only division that has to fight guys with close to 100 pound weight difference. And that's not fair.

[TyBuff]

I dont think that there is enough quality fighters to try to split them up into two divisions. For some reason the heavy weights are not effected as much by the weight difference as the smaller guys. It also seems that when there is that much weight difference the bigger guy is always slower.

[El Kabong]

But if it were a lightweight fighting a heavyweight, then you would hear the cries of not fair not fair. The heavyweights are the only division that has to fight guys with close to 100 pound weight difference. And that's not fair.

Heavyweights aren't pussies....so why don't you stop complaining!

Ever see Gatti-Gamache? THAT is why they have weight limits in lower divisions...show me a 300 pound guy who can do that to someone above 200 pounds!

[johnsebastianmiran]

What for? Athleticism fades after a certain amount of weight is gained. It hurts speed and yes it make those who know how to throw a punch and lean into it more powerful provided you hit something. I agree with Lyle about the weight because you can't move that well if you are three hundred pounds and the fatigue only makes the loss more humiliating, the big man is diced up by the smaller man, provided he isn't in range for the big guy's power punch.

[eugepang]

The solution is increasing the cruiserweight limit to 210 to 215 pounds, there's no reason to have a James Toney or Butterbean divison.

[AdamGB]

But if it were a lightweight fighting a heavyweight, then you would hear the cries of not fair not fair. The heavyweights are the only division that has to fight guys with close to 100 pound weight difference. And that's not fair.

Once you get to over 200 pounds... it becomes less of an issue. With the lighter weights.... the issue isn't getting his as much with the extra mass (with in a few divisions obviously) its the amount of energy, strength and fluid that a fighter makes to dry up and make the weight limit.

There are 5 foot 10 heavys and five foot 10 light weights... who's gonna be weight drained out of the two?