How Can Anyone Now Rank Hopkins Lower than Roy Jones?

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bernard hopkins should most definatly be rank higher then roy jones...yes bhop lost to roy...lets look at what happen afterwards...roy division hoops hand picking oppenents...while bhop built a legacy in the middleweight division...bhop sat at his kingdom and all who came to take it from him he face...ROY went on a journey going on to fight abc champions in different division...prime or not...ROY was finally hit flush and he was knock out...and that was the end of roy...bhop reaching 40 loses twice by close fights to taylor...goes on to challenge tarver the man who banish roy...and bhop dominates tarver at the age of 41 at roy's lightheavy division...

its a matter of who survive longer...at 41 bhop still has never been hurt or knock out...between the two of them bhop outlast roy...bhops technically rough and tough style against roys speed and atletic style in 12 rounds or in a career speed and atleticism will decrease more...while technic and inner toughness will always remain if not increase...

I have a question though...
list me someone alike trinidad and oscar that roy has fought? (note bhop k.o both tito and oscar)

(tarver glen k.o jones both lost to bhop)

weren't tito and oscar both smaller than bhop? and didn't roy beat the S*** out of pound for pound king James toney? james toney is better than everyone hopkins ever faced...except roy of course...

name one fighter that benard hopkins beat that was on top of the pound for pound list..... in fact the only fighter he that was even ranked pound for pound was tito and tito was the smaller man moving up..so go figure...

Slow down there Burt Sugar, Toney had to kill himself to make 168 for that fight, just like Jones had to kill himself to make 175 for Tarver. It wasn't the great Roy we all know that Tarver beat, and it wasn't the great Toney we all know that Roy beat. And on top of that, Hopkins wasn't favored over either Trinidad or Tarver.

p.s.--Toney was never p4p king. Last I checked Pernell Whitaker held that distinction at that time.

doesn't matter if hop was favored..he was the bigger man...so why did it surprise anyone that the bigger man knocked out the smaller men?.....that just says that even the odds makers bought into the superstar hype and not common sense.....even if toney was number two..he's still better than anyone bhop ever faced.....

Did the bigger man beat the smaller man last night? Do you realize in every one of your posts you shoot yourself in the foot with a stupid contradiction? Hopkins victory last night over Tarver is better than any single victory Roy Jones ever had. Bernard skipped a division to face the undisputed light heavyweight champ, and kicked his @ss. Roy skipped a division to face the biggest hand picked joke of a heavyweight champ in history. And by the way, Hopkins' winning of the lightheavyweight title is far better than Roy's, considering Bernard didn't spend 3 years getting ready at 168. He went strait from 160 to 175 in, what, 6 months.

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Did the bigger man beat the smaller man last night? Do you realize in every one of your posts you shoot yourself in the foot with a stupid contradiction? Hopkins victory last night over Tarver is better than any single victory Roy Jones ever had. Bernard skipped a division to face the undisputed light heavyweight champ, and kicked his @ss. Roy skipped a division to face the biggest hand picked joke of a heavyweight champ in history. And by the way, Hopkins' winning of the lightheavyweight title is far better than Roy's, considering Bernard didn't spend 3 years getting ready at 168. He went strait from 160 to 175 in, what, 6 months.

WRONG!!! WRONG!!! WRONG!!!


I see Montell Griffin as a MUCH MUCH MUCH harder style then that of Antonio Tarvers. And yous aying that Hopkins victory last night wipes out every victory Roy Jones ever had. Roy was a bigger underdog against James Toney then Hopkins was against Antonio Tarver.

Its fine, credit Hopkins for the win, but don't make a bold statement like that. Hopkins win last night DOES NOT shine over every victory Roy Jones has had, just drop it. You ahd the argument until you said that.

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bernard hopkins should most definatly be rank higher then roy jones...yes bhop lost to roy...lets look at what happen afterwards...roy division hoops hand picking oppenents...while bhop built a legacy in the middleweight division...bhop sat at his kingdom and all who came to take it from him he face...ROY went on a journey going on to fight abc champions in different division...prime or not...ROY was finally hit flush and he was knock out...and that was the end of roy...bhop reaching 40 loses twice by close fights to taylor...goes on to challenge tarver the man who banish roy...and bhop dominates tarver at the age of 41 at roy's lightheavy division...

its a matter of who survive longer...at 41 bhop still has never been hurt or knock out...between the two of them bhop outlast roy...bhops technically rough and tough style against roys speed and atletic style in 12 rounds or in a career speed and atleticism will decrease more...while technic and inner toughness will always remain if not increase...

I have a question though...
list me someone alike trinidad and oscar that roy has fought? (note bhop k.o both tito and oscar)

(tarver glen k.o jones both lost to bhop)

weren't tito and oscar both smaller than bhop? and didn't roy beat the S*** out of pound for pound king James toney? james toney is better than everyone hopkins ever faced...except roy of course...

name one fighter that benard hopkins beat that was on top of the pound for pound list..... in fact the only fighter he that was even ranked pound for pound was tito and tito was the smaller man moving up..so go figure...

Slow down there Burt Sugar, Toney had to kill himself to make 168 for that fight, just like Jones had to kill himself to make 175 for Tarver. It wasn't the great Roy we all know that Tarver beat, and it wasn't the great Toney we all know that Roy beat. And on top of that, Hopkins wasn't favored over either Trinidad or Tarver.

p.s.--Toney was never p4p king. Last I checked Pernell Whitaker held that distinction at that time.

doesn't matter if hop was favored..he was the bigger man...so why did it surprise anyone that the bigger man knocked out the smaller men?.....that just says that even the odds makers bought into the superstar hype and not common sense.....even if toney was number two..he's still better than anyone bhop ever faced.....

Did the bigger man beat the smaller man last night? Do you realize in every one of your posts you shoot yourself in the foot with a stupid contradiction? Hopkins victory last night over Tarver is better than any single victory Roy Jones ever had. Bernard skipped a division to face the undisputed light heavyweight champ, and kicked his @ss. Roy skipped a division to face the biggest hand picked joke of a heavyweight champ in history. And by the way, Hopkins' winning of the lightheavyweight title is far better than Roy's, considering Bernard didn't spend 3 years getting ready at 168. He went strait from 160 to 175 in, what, 6 months.

I guess that's why evander holyfield had such a hard time with john ruiz because he was still laughing....

And I nver said the big man was supposed to win..i said why did it surpirse everyone? so next time read it completely...and bernard himself said he could have gone up to lhw five years ago, but decided to stay at 160 because the risks were lower and he could capitalize on the weak fighters in the division and get to the record...you know what it doesn't matter what any of us think..when we all die and the other generations look at the books..it will read Jones vs Hopkins..jones wins by UD.....and if anyone happen to have the fight footage they willl see that it doesn't matter what you think or i think as far as who fought tougher opponents...

history will read ....Roy Jones defeated Bernard Hopkins by UD to win the IBF middleweight championship..period...all this other speculative, opinionated crap is just that...

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Excuse me starrmanlady, but aren't you the one who said Mayweather would lose to Sharmba Mitchell? And that Mayweather would lose to Zab Judah? And that Oscar would lose to Mayorga? Exactly what is it on this Earth that makes you think your opinion means jack sh!t to me . Go on and watch Kagney and Lacy or a WNBA game or whatever it is you all like to watch, butch

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And the Chavez comment...he wasn't in his prime. Neither was Hopkins. It doesn't matter if it was before or after. Hell, that's a good point for Hopkins. He's well past his prime and still kicking a**.
[/quote]oh..ok...I see what you mean...to be able to lock down a division for over a decade does deserve its mega props....you're right in the fact that if you time your movements at the right time you can catch a division/chamion at a down time...but to stay at 1 weight you face EVERYBODY in that division...so in that look...I would concede that B-HOP is the better p4p out of those 2....GO B-HOP!!!!! HOF Bound!!!!!

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ok lets look at the facts, roy was beaten twice by tarver, he was ko'd in the second andthe rubber match was a joke, roy ran away the whole fight, i just watched it today, he landed less then 10 punchs in a hand full of rounds he was scared and i feel he has damaged his legacy, a true champ doesn't run away

hopkins at 41 took the fight to tarver and easyly won the fight, b-hop number bar non

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bernard hopkins should most definatly be rank higher then roy jones...yes bhop lost to roy...lets look at what happen afterwards...roy division hoops hand picking oppenents...while bhop built a legacy in the middleweight division...bhop sat at his kingdom and all who came to take it from him he face...ROY went on a journey going on to fight abc champions in different division...prime or not...ROY was finally hit flush and he was knock out...and that was the end of roy...bhop reaching 40 loses twice by close fights to taylor...goes on to challenge tarver the man who banish roy...and bhop dominates tarver at the age of 41 at roy's lightheavy division...

its a matter of who survive longer...at 41 bhop still has never been hurt or knock out...between the two of them bhop outlast roy...bhops technically rough and tough style against roys speed and atletic style in 12 rounds or in a career speed and atleticism will decrease more...while technic and inner toughness will always remain if not increase...

I have a question though...
list me someone alike trinidad and oscar that roy has fought? (note bhop k.o both tito and oscar)

(tarver glen k.o jones both lost to bhop)

weren't tito and oscar both smaller than bhop? and didn't roy beat the S*** out of pound for pound king James toney? james toney is better than everyone hopkins ever faced...except roy of course...

name one fighter that benard hopkins beat that was on top of the pound for pound list..... in fact the only fighter he that was even ranked pound for pound was tito and tito was the smaller man moving up..so go figure...

Slow down there Burt Sugar, Toney had to kill himself to make 168 for that fight, just like Jones had to kill himself to make 175 for Tarver. It wasn't the great Roy we all know that Tarver beat, and it wasn't the great Toney we all know that Roy beat. And on top of that, Hopkins wasn't favored over either Trinidad or Tarver.

p.s.--Toney was never p4p king. Last I checked Pernell Whitaker held that distinction at that time.

doesn't matter if hop was favored..he was the bigger man...so why did it surprise anyone that the bigger man knocked out the smaller men?.....that just says that even the odds makers bought into the superstar hype and not common sense.....even if toney was number two..he's still better than anyone bhop ever faced.....

Did the bigger man beat the smaller man last night? Do you realize in every one of your posts you shoot yourself in the foot with a stupid contradiction? Hopkins victory last night over Tarver is better than any single victory Roy Jones ever had. Bernard skipped a division to face the undisputed light heavyweight champ, and kicked his @ss. Roy skipped a division to face the biggest hand picked joke of a heavyweight champ in history. And by the way, Hopkins' winning of the lightheavyweight title is far better than Roy's, considering Bernard didn't spend 3 years getting ready at 168. He went strait from 160 to 175 in, what, 6 months.

I guess that's why evander holyfield had such a hard time with john ruiz because he was still laughing....

And I nver said the big man was supposed to win..i said why did it surpirse everyone? so next time read it completely...and bernard himself said he could have gone up to lhw five years ago, but decided to stay at 160 because the risks were lower and he could capitalize on the weak fighters in the division and get to the record...you know what it doesn't matter what any of us think..when we all die and the other generations look at the books..it will read Jones vs Hopkins..jones wins by UD.....and if anyone happen to have the fight footage they willl see that it doesn't matter what you think or i think as far as who fought tougher opponents...

history will read ....Roy Jones defeated Bernard Hopkins by UD to win the IBF middleweight championship..period...all this other speculative, opinionated crap is just that...

JonesMayweatherjr., I can honestly say that I am surprised that Hopkins won last night, and I think most people would agree. You even said in one of your posts you picked Tarver to win, as did I. It is surprising because Hopkins lost his last 2 fights to a guy who weighs 160, and before the fight with Tarver he didn't seem to have virtually any advantages. It's easy to sit here today and say why is everyone surprised, but I was surprised not only that he won, but how easily he won.

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Excuse me starrmanlady, but aren't you the one who said Mayweather would lose to Sharmba Mitchell? And that Mayweather would lose to Zab Judah? And that Oscar would lose to Mayorga? Exactly what is it on this Earth that makes you think your opinion means jack sh!t to me . Go on and watch Kagney and Lacy or a WNBA game or whatever it is you all like to watch, butch

Yes but your statement is worse then everything else. And just because I've got a few predictions wrong doesn't change the fact that when it comes to that statement you made... it makes all those predictions look genius

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ok lets look at the facts, roy was beaten twice by tarver, he was ko'd in the second andthe rubber match was a joke, roy ran away the whole fight, i just watched it today, he landed less then 10 punchs in a hand full of rounds he was scared and i feel he has damaged his legacy, a true champ doesn't run away

hopkins at 41 took the fight to tarver and easyly won the fight, b-hop number bar non

Thats the man who beat the man and it doesn't work that way. Or else Mayorga would forever be ranked over Mosley

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bernard hopkins should most definatly be rank higher then roy jones...yes bhop lost to roy...lets look at what happen afterwards...roy division hoops hand picking oppenents...while bhop built a legacy in the middleweight division...bhop sat at his kingdom and all who came to take it from him he face...ROY went on a journey going on to fight abc champions in different division...prime or not...ROY was finally hit flush and he was knock out...and that was the end of roy...bhop reaching 40 loses twice by close fights to taylor...goes on to challenge tarver the man who banish roy...and bhop dominates tarver at the age of 41 at roy's lightheavy division...

its a matter of who survive longer...at 41 bhop still has never been hurt or knock out...between the two of them bhop outlast roy...bhops technically rough and tough style against roys speed and atletic style in 12 rounds or in a career speed and atleticism will decrease more...while technic and inner toughness will always remain if not increase...

I have a question though...
list me someone alike trinidad and oscar that roy has fought? (note bhop k.o both tito and oscar)

(tarver glen k.o jones both lost to bhop)

weren't tito and oscar both smaller than bhop? and didn't roy beat the S*** out of pound for pound king James toney? james toney is better than everyone hopkins ever faced...except roy of course...

name one fighter that benard hopkins beat that was on top of the pound for pound list..... in fact the only fighter he that was even ranked pound for pound was tito and tito was the smaller man moving up..so go figure...

Slow down there Burt Sugar, Toney had to kill himself to make 168 for that fight, just like Jones had to kill himself to make 175 for Tarver. It wasn't the great Roy we all know that Tarver beat, and it wasn't the great Toney we all know that Roy beat. And on top of that, Hopkins wasn't favored over either Trinidad or Tarver.

p.s.--Toney was never p4p king. Last I checked Pernell Whitaker held that distinction at that time.

doesn't matter if hop was favored..he was the bigger man...so why did it surprise anyone that the bigger man knocked out the smaller men?.....that just says that even the odds makers bought into the superstar hype and not common sense.....even if toney was number two..he's still better than anyone bhop ever faced.....

Did the bigger man beat the smaller man last night? Do you realize in every one of your posts you shoot yourself in the foot with a stupid contradiction? Hopkins victory last night over Tarver is better than any single victory Roy Jones ever had. Bernard skipped a division to face the undisputed light heavyweight champ, and kicked his @ss. Roy skipped a division to face the biggest hand picked joke of a heavyweight champ in history. And by the way, Hopkins' winning of the lightheavyweight title is far better than Roy's, considering Bernard didn't spend 3 years getting ready at 168. He went strait from 160 to 175 in, what, 6 months.

I guess that's why evander holyfield had such a hard time with john ruiz because he was still laughing....

And I nver said the big man was supposed to win..i said why did it surpirse everyone? so next time read it completely...and bernard himself said he could have gone up to lhw five years ago, but decided to stay at 160 because the risks were lower and he could capitalize on the weak fighters in the division and get to the record...you know what it doesn't matter what any of us think..when we all die and the other generations look at the books..it will read Jones vs Hopkins..jones wins by UD.....and if anyone happen to have the fight footage they willl see that it doesn't matter what you think or i think as far as who fought tougher opponents...

history will read ....Roy Jones defeated Bernard Hopkins by UD to win the IBF middleweight championship..period...all this other speculative, opinionated crap is just that...

History will also say that this was Roy Jones at the end of one of his fights:

http://www.whudat.com/news/images/royjones_ko1.jpg

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Slow down there Burt Sugar, Toney had to kill himself to make 168 for that fight, just like Jones had to kill himself to make 175 for Tarver. It wasn't the great Roy we all know that Tarver beat, and it wasn't the great Toney we all know that Roy beat. And on top of that, Hopkins wasn't favored over either Trinidad or Tarver.

p.s.--Toney was never p4p king. Last I checked Pernell Whitaker held that distinction at that time.
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doesn't matter if hop was favored..he was the bigger man...so why did it surprise anyone that the bigger man knocked out the smaller men?.....that just says that even the odds makers bought into the superstar hype and not common sense.....even if toney was number two..he's still better than anyone bhop ever faced.....
[/quote]he wasn't favored for a reason.....people didn't believe he was as good as he actually was.....and Toney hasn't been good in years....He hasn't fought anyone of merit in over 5 years.....and nobody close to the top in his division.....and if you want to throw out the size thing Tarver was bigger than B-HOP and B-HOP was once again the underdog and WON..In convincing fashion...

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Excuse me starrmanlady, but aren't you the one who said Mayweather would lose to Sharmba Mitchell? And that Mayweather would lose to Zab Judah? And that Oscar would lose to Mayorga? Exactly what is it on this Earth that makes you think your opinion means jack sh!t to me . Go on and watch Kagney and Lacy or a WNBA game or whatever it is you all like to watch, butch

Yes but your statement is worse then everything else. And just because I've got a few predictions wrong doesn't change the fact that when it comes to that statement you made... it makes all those predictions look genius

A FEW predictions wrong? I have an idea how you can not make yourself look like a total idiot in regards to predictions from here on out: don't make any

[JonesJrMayweather]

ok lets look at the facts, roy was beaten twice by tarver, he was ko'd in the second andthe rubber match was a joke, roy ran away the whole fight, i just watched it today, he landed less then 10 punchs in a hand full of rounds he was scared and i feel he has damaged his legacy, a true champ doesn't run away

hopkins at 41 took the fight to tarver and easyly won the fight, b-hop number bar non

why are you basing it off a common opponent? there's no need to.....
it's very simple to do without all the hoopla and speculations about weight loss and being past their primes, who fought the better men and this and that....

here's the simple question: On May 22, 1993 at RFK stadium in Washington, DC two fighters fought for the vacant IBF Middleweight championship, answer this who won?




































ROY JONES JR...y'all must've forgot

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