WINKY SPEAKS OUT

[tuckwopat]

allow me.

And if you think that Taylor is a such a marketers dream, how come he half fills the arena beside his hometown?

He is a marketers dream, he didn't sell out THIS arena because they upped the ticket prices to unheard of values

You must have been watching that fight with hopeful eyes, because Winky was a dominating force "half of the time". The other half had Taylor slamming hard shots to the body and past his guard. Taylor was never hurt and never broken down in that fight. He fought all 12 rounds, which Winky should have done. Taylor acts the way he does because he's an extremely modest kid.

He may be modest outside the ring but it doesn't matter in the ring because he lost that fight. and Winky DID fight all 12 rounds, I don't know why everyone things he coasted from Taylor. The only time in the 12th he took a backwards step was in the last 30 seconds where he knew he won the round and Taylor tried to come in and do something and Wright hit him with a straight left hand to back him up. But I guess you missed that hearing lampley and them saying that Winky was running when Lennox was saying Winky was switching it up on Taylor and had him confused. But you missed that didn't you?

You talk about shots and percentages. What gave Taylor any kind of chance was his power shots, which equalled Wright in output, but were much harder. That's why there was a draw. I don't think Taylor won, I'm with Harold Ledderman, the 3 judges combined, and most of the media who believe the fight was a draw.

So if it was by who landed the harder punches, are you saying then if a fighter lands 20 soft shots in the round and his opponent lands one hard shot that does more damage then the previous 20 that the other fighter should get the round Please, if that were so would Hopkins have lost the 12th to the same Jermain Taylor?

You speak as if everybody knows there's some sorta conspiracy, but they just won't admit it. Maybe there is no conspiracy, maybe not everyone saw the fight with Wacko's eyes.

And maybe not everyone saw it in your eyes.

What you need to realise is that Wright DID NOT coast in the 12th round. Since everyone wants to talk about Birmingham telling Wright to fight in the 12th but he also told him to back away after firing because Jermain can't get to him.

Here's the 12th

They stand off from each other and Winky is going forward and taylor is going backwards, Winky is throwing shots at Taylor who is backing up, at about the 2 minute mark taylor hasn't thrown a punch and Winky has been backing him, Winky lands some hard shots and Taylro swings and Winky grabs him to get close and Taylor doesn't do anything.. now Winky boxes from the outside and is hitting Taylor who swings and is having an issue hitting Winky, Wright is circling around Taylor and spinning him and hitting him to the body, less then a minute left and Taylor throws 3 shots at Wright all of which hit his gloves and Wright presses Taylor to the ropes with his own combination, and then he follows Jermain and hits him, and then Winky is circling and circling and Jermain still hasn't done anything of significace yet and now Winky is boxing around and Jermain is frustrated and tries to lunge in and Winky hits him with a hard lead left hand as he falls in and then holds him, the ref seperates them and Winky moves away and circles until the bell rings and Winky holds his hands in the air.

So how can anyone say that Winky "coasted" the 12th is beyond me unless

A) you've only seen it once

or

B) you are mesmorized by the commentary!!

There's no way possible that I can sit and convince a handful of people that my opinion wasn't swayed by Lampley's commentating, and also convince you it was a draw. But...

Maybe if you hate Lampley so much, maybe your opinion was swayed the other way? If I can be swayed positively by his assessment, then you can be swayed to disagree with him.

I've watched the fight twice now, and even drug out a pen and pad and scored the fight myself. So to the crazies in the asylum, Taylor had to have won because:

A.) The hometown crowd of 9,000 people influenced the three judges opinion to sway rounds for Taylor.
B.) He's HBO's darling, and I guess they influence the judges also?

...and not because you just might be wrong.

Oh and about the power punching assessment. You are right to say that 1 power punch does not equal 20 jabs. But hard hook or uppercut does equal about 5 jabs in my book.

[raleights]

I too agree with Wright winning by a round, but how he fought in the 12th deserved him the draw since he had plenty left in the tank. One thing people have said all along, Winky has no heart and always fights safe, well look what fighting safe caused. Now of course he has heart, but bottom line he got lazy, and he got lazy with a style of fighting most people don't like in the first place. Should of known better Winky...

Another thing that stuck out to me though, Winky's shots had little to no effect on Jermaine, even though he was committing to them, a feather punch is a feather punch and when someone lacks power it should be taken into consideration when scoring a fight. Maybe Taylor's punches weren't getting in as cleanly as Wright's, but they were real power shots and I can see how the judges would score that.

So yes Winky won, but I honestly think if Taylor keeps trying to work his problems out he can become what Hopkins was to the middleweight division, so the draw was good for boxing in the long run. Ya gotta feel sorry for Wright to a point (partly just cause he's ugly), but he chose the style that isn't crowd pleasing. He chose not to go in for the kill in the 12th when Taylor was nearly gassed out. I'm not saying it's fair for exciting marketable fighters to have judges leaning their way, but it's the way it is and Wright should of stepped up, maybe even try to end the fight instead of purposely going after yet another decision. Maybe just maybe if he didn't always leave it in the judges hands this wouldn't of happend

[raleights]

The best thing that could happen besides a rematch is JT staying at middleweight, and Winky moving up to 168 for a Calzaghe fight. Joe IMO would slaughter both of these guys but it'd be a little worse for Taylor, hopefully he'll stay at middleweight.

[Violent Bob]

The best thing that could happen besides a rematch is JT staying at middleweight, and Winky moving up to 168 for a Calzaghe fight. Joe IMO would slaughter both of these guys but it'd be a little worse for Taylor, hopefully he'll stay at middleweight.

Winky is a natural light-middle. It would be silly for him to go up to 168. Rematch or bust. Winky vs. Sturm and Taylor v. Abraham wouldn't be terrible though.

[tuckwopat]

Don't forget Edison Miranda. He's green, but green looks pretty good.

[raleights]

The best thing that could happen besides a rematch is JT staying at middleweight, and Winky moving up to 168 for a Calzaghe fight. Joe IMO would slaughter both of these guys but it'd be a little worse for Taylor, hopefully he'll stay at middleweight.

Winky is a natural light-middle. It would be silly for him to go up to 168. Rematch or bust. Winky vs. Sturm and Taylor v. Abraham wouldn't be terrible though.

He came in 170+ against Soliman, forgot what he was last weekend but 8 extra pounds wouldn't hurt him

[The_One77]

Winky, stop being a bitch and make the rematch happen..
Everytime he lost he never wanted to fight them again, coward.

Have you ever boxed? have you ever been Robbed If no then dont talk stupid...

I box and i have been robbed against a guy I beat 2 times.....it makes you feel like sh it when you hear the crowd cheering for you and then he gets the decision ( he gets to keep the belt in winky's case) It makes you want to go home and never box again...You feel like it just aint right that he is a favorite and you fight your heart out and then he gets the fight...

You dont know what you are talking about...Winky worked hard came from nothing and beat Jermaine...

Jermaine had everything from the Get go and now got another bullshit decision so he doesnt care...

Im sorry if i came a little strong in my post, it was wrong.
However, to your question to whether i have boxed before...The answer is yes i have, and it's true that when a fighter losses it's demoralising.
But the problem i have with Winky Wright is that unlike great fighters before him, he decides not to avenge his losses. That show's true strenght in your character, because it shows you have the qualities to accept the loss (in this case a draw), overcome it and return in the rematch to win.
All the great fighters of the past did this (Hopkins with Taylor), so why must Winky be an exception....and i don't just mean this fight, everytime the guy lost he never came back to prove that he was the better fighter by having a rematch.

And Wacko, just because you think Winky won the fight dosen't mean that we are blind devoted fans...Judges don't have compubox because they are judges, a boxing match isn't based on how many punches were landed and how many were thrown.

[BrooklyniteQueen]

Thought he tried to fight Vargas again and Vargas ducked him. He tried to fight Simon again and Harry wanted no part of him. Who else beat him? The dude that knocked him down 5 times?

[BigLuke]

Winky, stop being a bitch and make the rematch happen..
Everytime he lost he never wanted to fight them again, coward.

Stiffle!!! And thats the first time I'm saying it to you!!! Everyone thats ever beaten Wright he tried to get immediate rematches with!!! Never make a blanket statement like that bout Winky Wright!! you're a much better poster then that And anyway, Wright would beat Taylor again and they would rob him again, its a waste of his time. He beat Taylor the first time, if he fought him again it would be the same fight same result, Winky getting robbed.

I think Taylor would get the UD in a rematch. First of all Winky scored virtually all of his points on the ropes and dont think manny wouldnt correct that. JT was dominating in the center of the ring. I think this alone would be enough to get him an easy UD.

[tuckwopat]

Winky, stop being a bitch and make the rematch happen..
Everytime he lost he never wanted to fight them again, coward.

Have you ever boxed? have you ever been Robbed If no then dont talk stupid...

I box and i have been robbed against a guy I beat 2 times.....it makes you feel like sh it when you hear the crowd cheering for you and then he gets the decision ( he gets to keep the belt in winky's case) It makes you want to go home and never box again...You feel like it just aint right that he is a favorite and you fight your heart out and then he gets the fight...

You dont know what you are talking about...Winky worked hard came from nothing and beat Jermaine...

Jermaine had everything from the Get go and now got another bullshit decision so he doesnt care...

Im sorry if i came a little strong in my post, it was wrong.
However, to your question to whether i have boxed before...The answer is yes i have, and it's true that when a fighter losses it's demoralising.
But the problem i have with Winky Wright is that unlike great fighters before him, he decides not to avenge his losses. That show's true strenght in your character, because it shows you have the qualities to accept the loss (in this case a draw), overcome it and return in the rematch to win.
All the great fighters of the past did this (Hopkins with Taylor), so why must Winky be an exception....and i don't just mean this fight, everytime the guy lost he never came back to prove that he was the better fighter by having a rematch.

And Wacko, just because you think Winky won the fight dosen't mean that we are blind devoted fans...Judges don't have compubox because they are judges, a boxing match isn't based on how many punches were landed and how many were thrown.

I think its a bit dumb that people say you shouldn't criticize something because you haven't experianced it. I've never won a boxing match, but I'm pretty sure it doesn't feel worse than cancer or something. I'll bet it feels pretty good. Oh, am I out of line for sayig that? I've never boxed

Winky can act and feel any way he chooses, but the way you conduct yourself in public is a passport for criticism.

[Salhadin]

Winky, stop being a bitch and make the rematch happen..
Everytime he lost he never wanted to fight them again, coward.

Have you ever boxed? have you ever been Robbed If no then dont talk stupid...

I box and i have been robbed against a guy I beat 2 times.....it makes you feel like sh it when you hear the crowd cheering for you and then he gets the decision ( he gets to keep the belt in winky's case) It makes you want to go home and never box again...You feel like it just aint right that he is a favorite and you fight your heart out and then he gets the fight...

You dont know what you are talking about...Winky worked hard came from nothing and beat Jermaine...

Jermaine had everything from the Get go and now got another bullshit decision so he doesnt care...

Im sorry if i came a little strong in my post, it was wrong.
However, to your question to whether i have boxed before...The answer is yes i have, and it's true that when a fighter losses it's demoralising.
But the problem i have with Winky Wright is that unlike great fighters before him, he decides not to avenge his losses. That show's true strenght in your character, because it shows you have the qualities to accept the loss (in this case a draw), overcome it and return in the rematch to win.
All the great fighters of the past did this (Hopkins with Taylor), so why must Winky be an exception....and i don't just mean this fight, everytime the guy lost he never came back to prove that he was the better fighter by having a rematch.

And Wacko, just because you think Winky won the fight dosen't mean that we are blind devoted fans...Judges don't have compubox because they are judges, a boxing match isn't based on how many punches were landed and how many were thrown.

I respect that one alot.

Have a CC

[The_One77]

Winky, stop being a bitch and make the rematch happen..
Everytime he lost he never wanted to fight them again, coward.

Have you ever boxed? have you ever been Robbed If no then dont talk stupid...

I box and i have been robbed against a guy I beat 2 times.....it makes you feel like sh it when you hear the crowd cheering for you and then he gets the decision ( he gets to keep the belt in winky's case) It makes you want to go home and never box again...You feel like it just aint right that he is a favorite and you fight your heart out and then he gets the fight...

You dont know what you are talking about...Winky worked hard came from nothing and beat Jermaine...

Jermaine had everything from the Get go and now got another bullshit decision so he doesnt care...

Im sorry if i came a little strong in my post, it was wrong.
However, to your question to whether i have boxed before...The answer is yes i have, and it's true that when a fighter losses it's demoralising.
But the problem i have with Winky Wright is that unlike great fighters before him, he decides not to avenge his losses. That show's true strenght in your character, because it shows you have the qualities to accept the loss (in this case a draw), overcome it and return in the rematch to win.
All the great fighters of the past did this (Hopkins with Taylor), so why must Winky be an exception....and i don't just mean this fight, everytime the guy lost he never came back to prove that he was the better fighter by having a rematch.

And Wacko, just because you think Winky won the fight dosen't mean that we are blind devoted fans...Judges don't have compubox because they are judges, a boxing match isn't based on how many punches were landed and how many were thrown.

I respect that one alot.

Have a CC

hey, thxs for pointing out the fact that i was being a jerk lol
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