INO Lamon Brewster, Sam Peter & Calvin Brock will save the HW division!!!!

[TyBuff]

You are right Bilbo, he is techniquely an American but will never be supported by the American boxing public. We are a fickle bunch, but you do need to be born a breed in order to received most of our full support.

[Kev]

You are right Bilbo, he is techniquely an American but will never be supported by the American boxing public. We are a fickle bunch, but you do need to be born a breed in order to received most of our full support.

Don't be apologetic, there is nothing wrong with good old fashioned Patriotism.

If we wern't patriots we would have let Germany take us over in World War 2, patriotism is the glue that binds a nation together and we should never give it up.

[1st rd ko]

You are right Bilbo, he is techniquely an American but will never be supported by the American boxing public. We are a fickle bunch, but you do need to be born a breed in order to received most of our full support.

Don't be apologetic, there is nothing wrong with good old fashioned Patriotism.

If we wern't patriots we would have let Germany take us over in World War 2, patriotism is the glue that binds a nation together and we should never give it up.

Hold on Bilbo! Are we talking Hitler or Sauron here? Well, either way the Shire is safe, for now.................

[Kev]

You are right Bilbo, he is techniquely an American but will never be supported by the American boxing public. We are a fickle bunch, but you do need to be born a breed in order to received most of our full support.

Don't be apologetic, there is nothing wrong with good old fashioned Patriotism.

If we wern't patriots we would have let Germany take us over in World War 2, patriotism is the glue that binds a nation together and we should never give it up.

Hold on Bilbo! Are we talking Hitler or Sauron here? Well, either way the Shire is safe, for now.................

Well they were both ruthless dictators with an evil bloodlust, but at least Sauron wasn't German so of the two I preferred him

[1st rd ko]

You are right Bilbo, he is techniquely an American but will never be supported by the American boxing public. We are a fickle bunch, but you do need to be born a breed in order to received most of our full support.

Don't be apologetic, there is nothing wrong with good old fashioned Patriotism.

If we wern't patriots we would have let Germany take us over in World War 2, patriotism is the glue that binds a nation together and we should never give it up.

Hold on Bilbo! Are we talking Hitler or Sauron here? Well, either way the Shire is safe, for now.................

Well they were both ruthless dictators with an evil bloodlust, but at least Sauron wasn't German so of the two I preferred him

Im sure you have heard of the "boys from Brazil" BUT have you encountered the "boys from Mordor"? Hmmmm, i thought not. Sleep well my hairy toed hobbit!

[Raeder]

Oleg wasn't born here so he's a NATURALIZED citizen...not a regular citizen, but his kids could be.

Now what he's doing is very American, coming here for a better life for his kids and all...that's All-American.

Agreed. A really good immigrant story; something like apple pie.

[Raeder]

Honestly...& everyone will laugh about this one...I want to see Valuev come stateside & prove everyone wrong.

I would love to see the big guy actually do something. No S***. Call it a guilty pleasure syndrome...but that guy is going to bring viewers back to boxing. How could he not? Sure...you can say that he's just big & that he can't box...but he can box.

I want to see Valuev sell out the house. It would be great if he blasted Barrett out of the ring. Rahman couldn't do it, if he can...that's gotta bring him a shred of credibility.

What can I say, I'm a carnie worker at heart & the marketing ploy got me.

I wish I had written this, Wacko. I agree totally.

[Raeder]

As I read the discussion, it appears that it is about a potential American "star." If that is the case, I submit Oleg Makaev is just that. He now holds a belt, and there are some top ten fighters, some of whom are not Americans, who want to fight him. Sure, the three Americans mentioned, (i.e., Brewster, Peter and Brock) would be quite worthy opponents for Maskaev, but aren't we talking about those "non-Americans?"

Mate just becuse Maskaev lives in the US and has a passport doesn't make him American. I think most Americans would rather not root for anybody than support a Khazakstani.

I guess you think Abu Hamza, the wacko guy with a hook for a hand is British?

Oleg Makaev is an American citizen who lives on Staten Island with his lovely wife and four kids whom he says are getting a "good" education. He also boasts his wife has a good job. He is soft spoken and speaks with a distinct accent which is not troublesome. Now that is All-American. Let me repeat ALL-AMERICAN!!!!

Yes I undestand the technocalities of him being a US citizen but you are completely deluding yourself if you think the US public are going to root for him as one of their own.

To the American public at large he is Russian, and yes I know he's from Khazakstan not Russia as well

When Lennox Lewis decided to ditch Canada once he turned pro and reassumed his British identity the British public never accepted him even though he was by far the greatest heavyweight ever to represent our country.

When he fought Gary Mason, and even more so when he faced Bruno virtually the entire nation was behind his opponents.

The majority of sports fans, myself included are proud patriots and will never take to a foreigner over a born and bred Brit in a hundred years.

I can think of only one exception in the whole history of the world and that is Arnold Schwarzzenegger.

You can tell keep telling yourself that Oleg is an American citizen until you are blue in the face but you are never going to get the American public to ever think of him as anything other than Russian.

Am I right or am I right?

You are not right, but only negative and pedantic. The American public will support Oleg Maskaev as long as he wins; it is my understanding you will not. As far as Scwarzenegger, he is an entertainment icon who appeals to the lowest common denominator intellectually, even in politics. Maskaev will retire financially set and with dignity. Perhaps THIS is what bothers you. You see, he is the warrior, you are not, only a sour pedantic "negativist." Go Maskaev, the All-American guy with his All-American family on Staten Island living the American dream!

[Purist]

Lyakhovich will get blasted out soon enough.

I think if he can keep boxing like he did against Brewster he stands a good chance against any of the current heavies. Wlad would pose the most problems for him. Wlad has the best boxing ability of the heavies and the power he brings with him would make for a troubled fight. Wlad/Lyakhovich would be one heavyweight fight I would be interested in.

Agreed. Good points...but I just truly believe that with range...Klitschko controls them all around the board.

Just because he has the most skills doesn't mean he is gonna be the master of all Heavyweights. Wacko wake up! He is carefully and wisely picking his opponents. And they will hype it as a huge fight. He could have fought Brewster a second time but he chose to fight Byrd instead and Lyakovich had a good strategy to beat Brewster and he used it very well but it was still a very close fight. And It wasn't because he didnt "get up" for Ettienne, have you seen that fight? Brewster injured his knee in the first round!! And he could barely walk the rest of the fight let alone plant and Ettienne took advantage of it, WHY do you thnk he wears that knee brace in the ring!? The shufford fight was a fact of Brewster coming down from a very high weight because he had two fights in a row about a month apart to come down and he was drained.

And no matter what you say whether you call it luck or whatever, he BEAT WLADIMER KLITSCHKO!! No matter what you say!! Brewster WON THE FIGHT!! And Wladimer never tried to rematch him!

Sergei is just a lot better then you wanted to give him credit for, but lowering the opponent of Brewster because you refuse top acknowledge how good he is won't change his win over Wladimer

[Lords Gym]

I don't see Oleg getting past Peter & especially Brewster! I do see Toney giving him problems & outworking Oleg to a UD! I can see Oleg KOing Klitchko & also Brewster KOing him again!
Not too sure exactly how Peter & Toney will turn out since age is catching up to Toney & he doesn't have much time left to be champ! Brewster is probably the most dangerous opponent in the heavyweight division right now! Brock is the up & comer that will be a major threat in 1-2 years!
Peter is huge & just needs to get more ring exp. in order to take the divsion, but when?

I give Brewster the best advantage over anyone in the heavies today!!!!

I like Serguei Lyakhovich chances better then Brewsters Peter can win it all in time

[Kev]

As I read the discussion, it appears that it is about a potential American "star." If that is the case, I submit Oleg Makaev is just that. He now holds a belt, and there are some top ten fighters, some of whom are not Americans, who want to fight him. Sure, the three Americans mentioned, (i.e., Brewster, Peter and Brock) would be quite worthy opponents for Maskaev, but aren't we talking about those "non-Americans?"

Mate just becuse Maskaev lives in the US and has a passport doesn't make him American. I think most Americans would rather not root for anybody than support a Khazakstani.

I guess you think Abu Hamza, the wacko guy with a hook for a hand is British?

Oleg Makaev is an American citizen who lives on Staten Island with his lovely wife and four kids whom he says are getting a "good" education. He also boasts his wife has a good job. He is soft spoken and speaks with a distinct accent which is not troublesome. Now that is All-American. Let me repeat ALL-AMERICAN!!!!

Yes I undestand the technocalities of him being a US citizen but you are completely deluding yourself if you think the US public are going to root for him as one of their own.

To the American public at large he is Russian, and yes I know he's from Khazakstan not Russia as well

When Lennox Lewis decided to ditch Canada once he turned pro and reassumed his British identity the British public never accepted him even though he was by far the greatest heavyweight ever to represent our country.

When he fought Gary Mason, and even more so when he faced Bruno virtually the entire nation was behind his opponents.

The majority of sports fans, myself included are proud patriots and will never take to a foreigner over a born and bred Brit in a hundred years.

I can think of only one exception in the whole history of the world and that is Arnold Schwarzzenegger.

You can tell keep telling yourself that Oleg is an American citizen until you are blue in the face but you are never going to get the American public to ever think of him as anything other than Russian.

Am I right or am I right?

You are not right, but only negative and pedantic. The American public will support Oleg Maskaev as long as he wins; it is my understanding you will not. As far as Scwarzenegger, he is an entertainment icon who appeals to the lowest common denominator intellectually, even in politics. Maskaev will retire financially set and with dignity. Perhaps THIS is what bothers you. You see, he is the warrior, you are not, only a sour pedantic "negativist." Go Maskaev, the All-American guy with his All-American family on Staten Island living the American dream!

The American public will support Oleg Maskaev as long as he wins Course they will mate. Poor Evander and Calvin Brock are sure in for a hostile reception if they fights Maskaev any time soon

As far as Scwarzenegger, he is an entertainment icon who appeals to the lowest common denominator intellectually, even in politics. You completely lost me here. I would have thought that Arnold embodies the American Dream more than any other man in history, born in a remote Austrian village rising to become the biggest action hero movie star of all time and now Governor of the most important State in America, but hey what do I know, it's your argument eh?

You see, he is the warrior, you are not, only a sour pedantic "negativist I'm not being negativist at all just realistic. I've got no axe to grind against Oleg, I'm not even American, I'm merely stating the patently obvious truth that Oleg will not become a popular American fighter.

If you honestly and sincerely believe that if and when Oleg faces Calvin Brock, James Toney, Evander Holyfield, Lamon Brewster or any of the other American guys out there that he will be the American's fan favourite then you are simply an idiot.

And if you were trying to prove a point you completely undermined it by dismissing Arnold as intellectually appealing to the lowest common denominator. How moronic to accuse me of being negative towards Oleg's Americanism when you are completely negative concerning Arnie.

You are a hyprocrital buffoon and I consider it an embarrassment on my part to have attempted to engage you in an intelligent debate.

[Raeder]

As I read the discussion, it appears that it is about a potential American "star." If that is the case, I submit Oleg Makaev is just that. He now holds a belt, and there are some top ten fighters, some of whom are not Americans, who want to fight him. Sure, the three Americans mentioned, (i.e., Brewster, Peter and Brock) would be quite worthy opponents for Maskaev, but aren't we talking about those "non-Americans?"

Bilbo, one has to be intelligent to engage in an intelligent discussion. You have a limited intellectual background so do not write well. You call me many scurrilous names; that is okay; the truth is that your postings reflect your admitted lifestyle (i.e., "I'm a bit gay.") and that is homosexual. Oleg Maskaev has a lovely family; it is decidedly "American." He is a professional, and will be cheered by many Americans. You must resent his family and Maskaev's low-keyed masculinity laced with humility and individual ruggedness. That is also very "American."

Mate just becuse Maskaev lives in the US and has a passport doesn't make him American. I think most Americans would rather not root for anybody than support a Khazakstani.

I guess you think Abu Hamza, the wacko guy with a hook for a hand is British?

Oleg Makaev is an American citizen who lives on Staten Island with his lovely wife and four kids whom he says are getting a "good" education. He also boasts his wife has a good job. He is soft spoken and speaks with a distinct accent which is not troublesome. Now that is All-American. Let me repeat ALL-AMERICAN!!!!

Yes I undestand the technocalities of him being a US citizen but you are completely deluding yourself if you think the US public are going to root for him as one of their own.

To the American public at large he is Russian, and yes I know he's from Khazakstan not Russia as well

When Lennox Lewis decided to ditch Canada once he turned pro and reassumed his British identity the British public never accepted him even though he was by far the greatest heavyweight ever to represent our country.

When he fought Gary Mason, and even more so when he faced Bruno virtually the entire nation was behind his opponents.

The majority of sports fans, myself included are proud patriots and will never take to a foreigner over a born and bred Brit in a hundred years.

I can think of only one exception in the whole history of the world and that is Arnold Schwarzzenegger.

You can tell keep telling yourself that Oleg is an American citizen until you are blue in the face but you are never going to get the American public to ever think of him as anything other than Russian.

Am I right or am I right?

You are not right, but only negative and pedantic. The American public will support Oleg Maskaev as long as he wins; it is my understanding you will not. As far as Scwarzenegger, he is an entertainment icon who appeals to the lowest common denominator intellectually, even in politics. Maskaev will retire financially set and with dignity. Perhaps THIS is what bothers you. You see, he is the warrior, you are not, only a sour pedantic "negativist." Go Maskaev, the All-American guy with his All-American family on Staten Island living the American dream!

The American public will support Oleg Maskaev as long as he wins Course they will mate. Poor Evander and Calvin Brock are sure in for a hostile reception if they fights Maskaev any time soon

As far as Scwarzenegger, he is an entertainment icon who appeals to the lowest common denominator intellectually, even in politics. You completely lost me here. I would have thought that Arnold embodies the American Dream more than any other man in history, born in a remote Austrian village rising to become the biggest action hero movie star of all time and now Governor of the most important State in America, but hey what do I know, it's your argument eh?

You see, he is the warrior, you are not, only a sour pedantic "negativist I'm not being negativist at all just realistic. I've got no axe to grind against Oleg, I'm not even American, I'm merely stating the patently obvious truth that Oleg will not become a popular American fighter.

If you honestly and sincerely believe that if and when Oleg faces Calvin Brock, James Toney, Evander Holyfield, Lamon Brewster or any of the other American guys out there that he will be the American's fan favourite then you are simply an idiot.

And if you were trying to prove a point you completely undermined it by dismissing Arnold as intellectually appealing to the lowest common denominator. How moronic to accuse me of being negative towards Oleg's Americanism when you are completely negative concerning Arnie.

You are a hyprocrital buffoon and I consider it an embarrassment on my part to have attempted to engage you in an intelligent debate.

Bilbo, one has to be intelligent to engage in an intelligent discussion. You have a limited intellectual background, so do not write well. You call me many scurrilous names; that is okay. The truth is that your postings reflect your admitted lifestyle (i.e., "I'm a bit gay.") and that is homosexual. Homosexuality is a mental disorder and a degrading lifestyle. Oleg Maskaev has a lovely family; it is decidedly "American." He is a professional, and will be cheered by many Americans. You must resent his family and Maskaev's low-keyed masculinity laced with humility and individual ruggedness; that is also very "American."

[El Kabong]

Homosexuality is not a mental disorder....it used to be but not anymore...just an fyi (I'm a psychology student and not gay that's why I know the DSM-IV's views on such issues)

[Kev]

As I read the discussion, it appears that it is about a potential American "star." If that is the case, I submit Oleg Makaev is just that. He now holds a belt, and there are some top ten fighters, some of whom are not Americans, who want to fight him. Sure, the three Americans mentioned, (i.e., Brewster, Peter and Brock) would be quite worthy opponents for Maskaev, but aren't we talking about those "non-Americans?"

Bilbo, one has to be intelligent to engage in an intelligent discussion. You have a limited intellectual background so do not write well. You call me many scurrilous names; that is okay; the truth is that your postings reflect your admitted lifestyle (i.e., "I'm a bit gay.") and that is homosexual. Oleg Maskaev has a lovely family; it is decidedly "American." He is a professional, and will be cheered by many Americans. You must resent his family and Maskaev's low-keyed masculinity laced with humility and individual ruggedness. That is also very "American."

Mate just becuse Maskaev lives in the US and has a passport doesn't make him American. I think most Americans would rather not root for anybody than support a Khazakstani.

I guess you think Abu Hamza, the wacko guy with a hook for a hand is British?

Oleg Makaev is an American citizen who lives on Staten Island with his lovely wife and four kids whom he says are getting a "good" education. He also boasts his wife has a good job. He is soft spoken and speaks with a distinct accent which is not troublesome. Now that is All-American. Let me repeat ALL-AMERICAN!!!!

Yes I undestand the technocalities of him being a US citizen but you are completely deluding yourself if you think the US public are going to root for him as one of their own.

To the American public at large he is Russian, and yes I know he's from Khazakstan not Russia as well

When Lennox Lewis decided to ditch Canada once he turned pro and reassumed his British identity the British public never accepted him even though he was by far the greatest heavyweight ever to represent our country.

When he fought Gary Mason, and even more so when he faced Bruno virtually the entire nation was behind his opponents.

The majority of sports fans, myself included are proud patriots and will never take to a foreigner over a born and bred Brit in a hundred years.

I can think of only one exception in the whole history of the world and that is Arnold Schwarzzenegger.

You can tell keep telling yourself that Oleg is an American citizen until you are blue in the face but you are never going to get the American public to ever think of him as anything other than Russian.

Am I right or am I right?

You are not right, but only negative and pedantic. The American public will support Oleg Maskaev as long as he wins; it is my understanding you will not. As far as Scwarzenegger, he is an entertainment icon who appeals to the lowest common denominator intellectually, even in politics. Maskaev will retire financially set and with dignity. Perhaps THIS is what bothers you. You see, he is the warrior, you are not, only a sour pedantic "negativist." Go Maskaev, the All-American guy with his All-American family on Staten Island living the American dream!

The American public will support Oleg Maskaev as long as he wins Course they will mate. Poor Evander and Calvin Brock are sure in for a hostile reception if they fights Maskaev any time soon

As far as Scwarzenegger, he is an entertainment icon who appeals to the lowest common denominator intellectually, even in politics. You completely lost me here. I would have thought that Arnold embodies the American Dream more than any other man in history, born in a remote Austrian village rising to become the biggest action hero movie star of all time and now Governor of the most important State in America, but hey what do I know, it's your argument eh?

You see, he is the warrior, you are not, only a sour pedantic "negativist I'm not being negativist at all just realistic. I've got no axe to grind against Oleg, I'm not even American, I'm merely stating the patently obvious truth that Oleg will not become a popular American fighter.

If you honestly and sincerely believe that if and when Oleg faces Calvin Brock, James Toney, Evander Holyfield, Lamon Brewster or any of the other American guys out there that he will be the American's fan favourite then you are simply an idiot.

And if you were trying to prove a point you completely undermined it by dismissing Arnold as intellectually appealing to the lowest common denominator. How moronic to accuse me of being negative towards Oleg's Americanism when you are completely negative concerning Arnie.

You are a hyprocrital buffoon and I consider it an embarrassment on my part to have attempted to engage you in an intelligent debate.

Bilbo, one has to be intelligent to engage in an intelligent discussion. You have a limited intellectual background, so do not write well. You call me many scurrilous names; that is okay. The truth is that your postings reflect your admitted lifestyle (i.e., "I'm a bit gay.") and that is homosexual. Homosexuality is a mental disorder and a degrading lifestyle. Oleg Maskaev has a lovely family; it is decidedly "American." He is a professional, and will be cheered by many Americans. You must resent his family and Maskaev's low-keyed masculinity laced with humility and individual ruggedness; that is also very "American."

Oh so my posts are so unitelligent I must be gay.

Anyways just looking at your post Oleg Maskaev has a lovely family; it is decidedly "American." He is a professional, and will be cheered by many Americans. You must resent his family and Maskaev's low-keyed masculinity laced with humility and individual ruggedness; that is also very "American."
you seem to be the one with the man fetish.

Maskaev is very hot and sexy man, He is brave and decent.

You sound like Royal did about Kessler, hopefully you will meet the same end and be banned for boring the shit out of all of us.

[Raeder]

Homosexuality is not a mental disorder....it used to be but not anymore...just an fyi (I'm a psychology student and not gay that's why I know the DSM-IV's views on such issues)

Although it will anger some herein, I have a PhD and was a psychology student when the AMA reversed their decision on homosexuals. This was accomplished by pressure of social activists and not concluded by a scientific or scholarly approach. I do not condemn individuals who engage it that dangerous and degrading lifestyle, but mention Dildo's admittance (not that sexuality is cogent in a boxing forum anyway) to delineate his prissy and name-calling rhetoric to denigrate me and/or Oleg Maskaev, a very masculie, soft-spoken work-a-day professional living the American dream on Staten Island. As far as "..it used to be but not anymore..." guess what? It still is. This may prompt other homosexuals to exercise their right, but I wonder how i cogent it is on a boxing forum. I come to this site to learn, Dildo comes for frantically-needed attention. The thread was "...save the HW division!!!" Manners, mutual respect, professionalism and tenacity will "save" it, not a particular ethnic group or fighter from a certain country.