Paul Williams will never lose to a welterweight

[Galaxy]

hE WOUL KTFO Judah!!! You're joking right,where does all this rating Judah come from? He chokes on the big stage,heck he chokes on the small stage!

Bro I think Judah would KO Margarito! Williams' biggest win so far is over a faded Mitchell who hit him enough times for me to have concerns. Judah was doing well against Mayweather early on who I rate as the best in the world right now. Judah & Williams sign to fight next & Judah wins by KO!!!

Judah Koing Margarito has no basis on fact,it's hope,fantasy. If Margarito can take Cintron's punches,I'm sure he could take Judah's,Judah's power is over rated and thats a silly statement.

It has all the basis in the world, if I feel Williams can't beat Margarito but Judah can knock him out, then how does Williams stand a chance? The silly statement here is "He would KTFO Judah". At least Judah is a former linear world champion that's why I rate him, Williams KO'd a shot Mitchell. I could ask you the same question where does all this rating Williams come from?

[killersheep]

hE WOUL KTFO Judah!!! You're joking right,where does all this rating Judah come from? He chokes on the big stage,heck he chokes on the small stage!

Bro I think Judah would KO Margarito! Williams' biggest win so far is over a faded Mitchell who hit him enough times for me to have concerns. Judah was doing well against Mayweather early on who I rate as the best in the world right now. Judah & Williams sign to fight next & Judah wins by KO!!!

Judah Koing Margarito has no basis on fact,it's hope,fantasy. If Margarito can take Cintron's punches,I'm sure he could take Judah's,Judah's power is over rated and thats a silly statement.

It has all the basis in the world, if I feel Williams can't beat Margarito but Judah can knock him out, then how does Williams stand a chance? The silly statement here is "He would KTFO Judah". At least Judah is a former linear world champion that's why I rate him, Williams KO'd a shot Mitchell. I could ask you the same question where does all this rating Williams come from?

I rate Williams high because he has the tool kit to dominate the division, his style along with his reach that's where the rating comes from did you see the Matthysse fight? Matthysse hits like a friggin jackhammer and 96% KO in his fights, Williams simply took the punches and fired back answering with 6 punches to everyone of Walters. Where does rating Judah come from?

[Galaxy]

Ok I've only seen one Williams fight and that was against Sharmba Mitchell.

To be honest I found him exciting but I didn't see a world beater here.

Now I'm the furthest thing away from a Tony Margarito fan but I think Tony would just brutalise this kid. He was way too open, got caught flush by Sharmba 4 times in a row in round 2 or 3 and just would not get away with such a weak defense against a guy like Margarito.

He throws a lot of punches, but he doesn't look like a big puncher, certainly no Hearns. I think he will get outmuscled by the best at 147lb.

If this fight happens against Margarito, and it's a probability seeing as he's Tony's mandatory I would say Tony inside 8 or 9 rounds.

I agree. Margarito or even Cintron could give Williams some troubles. Tall fighters sometime get use to being so much bigger then their opposition, when they face someone their own height the deficiencies they have in defense come into play more.. some tall fighter developed bad habits in regards to hand position over the years from fighting steady dose of short fighters, all of a sudden they fight someone who can hit them from little bit further away and it can be problematic esp when you get use to a comfort distance that is not there anymore. ( i don't know i am translating my thoughts very well ? )

But he is still 2" taller than both of those guys and has a 9" reach over Margarito and 10" reach over Cintron, on top of which I don't think either of those guys are as fast or as slick as Sharmba (say what you will about him).

At this point I think Floyd, Quintana, Margarito, Judah & Collazo all take that 0 of his record. With experience & improvement of his defense down the line who knows. But right now I think he's very beatable!

Floyd - Could beat Williams, it would be a war though, I am assuming PBF is going to 154 next year one way or another

Quintana - Look really good against the way over-hyped Joel Julio, Williams style wouldn't allow him to pick and choose his punches though

Margarito - He would really have to be on his "A" game or he will get hammered all night long, and speaking of defense I haven't been too impressed with Tony's defense either.

Judah - You're kidding right? If you haven't noticed he has a glass jaw and no legs, being just fast is not enough anymore

Collazo - Definately doesn't have the power to put him away, that being said Williams takes it on the cards.

I'll stick with what I said, Floyd schools him, so does Quintana the same, Williams ain't got a punch to hurt Judah. Judah stops him. Collazo another southpaw also wins by decision!

[Lords Gym]

hE WOUL KTFO Judah!!! You're joking right,where does all this rating Judah come from? He chokes on the big stage,heck he chokes on the small stage!

Bro I think Judah would KO Margarito! Williams' biggest win so far is over a faded Mitchell who hit him enough times for me to have concerns. Judah was doing well against Mayweather early on who I rate as the best in the world right now. Judah & Williams sign to fight next & Judah wins by KO!!!

Judah Koing Margarito has no basis on fact,it's hope,fantasy. If Margarito can take Cintron's punches,I'm sure he could take Judah's,Judah's power is over rated and thats a silly statement.

It has all the basis in the world, if I feel Williams can't beat Margarito but Judah can knock him out, then how does Williams stand a chance? The silly statement here is "He would KTFO Judah". At least Judah is a former linear world champion that's why I rate him, Williams KO'd a shot Mitchell. I could ask you the same question where does all this rating Williams come from?

I rate Williams high because he has the tool kit to dominate the division, his style along with his reach that's where the rating comes from did you see the Matthysse fight? Matthysse hits like a friggin jackhammer and 96% KO in his fights, Williams simply took the punches and fired back answering with 6 punches to everyone of Walters. Where does rating Judah come from?

No doubt Williams is going to be pure hell for anyone that fights him at Welterweight

[Galaxy]

hE WOUL KTFO Judah!!! You're joking right,where does all this rating Judah come from? He chokes on the big stage,heck he chokes on the small stage!

Bro I think Judah would KO Margarito! Williams' biggest win so far is over a faded Mitchell who hit him enough times for me to have concerns. Judah was doing well against Mayweather early on who I rate as the best in the world right now. Judah & Williams sign to fight next & Judah wins by KO!!!

Judah Koing Margarito has no basis on fact,it's hope,fantasy. If Margarito can take Cintron's punches,I'm sure he could take Judah's,Judah's power is over rated and thats a silly statement.

It has all the basis in the world, if I feel Williams can't beat Margarito but Judah can knock him out, then how does Williams stand a chance? The silly statement here is "He would KTFO Judah". At least Judah is a former linear world champion that's why I rate him, Williams KO'd a shot Mitchell. I could ask you the same question where does all this rating Williams come from?

I rate Williams high because he has the tool kit to dominate the division, his style along with his reach that's where the rating comes from did you see the Matthysse fight? Matthysse hits like a friggin jackhammer and 96% KO in his fights, Williams simply took the punches and fired back answering with 6 punches to everyone of Walters. Where does rating Judah come from?

Williams has had 30 bouts against nobdy it's easy to look impressive, he didn't look that great against Matthysse either got hit a lot, & name one guy on Matthysse's record. Easy to get a lot of KO's when you competition is limited. Judah's fought world class competition. Is a former world welterweight champion. Has great technically ability & speed to burn. His problem is he tends to lose focus. But he'd handle Williams easy.

[killersheep]

hE WOUL KTFO Judah!!! You're joking right,where does all this rating Judah come from? He chokes on the big stage,heck he chokes on the small stage!

Bro I think Judah would KO Margarito! Williams' biggest win so far is over a faded Mitchell who hit him enough times for me to have concerns. Judah was doing well against Mayweather early on who I rate as the best in the world right now. Judah & Williams sign to fight next & Judah wins by KO!!!

Judah Koing Margarito has no basis on fact,it's hope,fantasy. If Margarito can take Cintron's punches,I'm sure he could take Judah's,Judah's power is over rated and thats a silly statement.

It has all the basis in the world, if I feel Williams can't beat Margarito but Judah can knock him out, then how does Williams stand a chance? The silly statement here is "He would KTFO Judah". At least Judah is a former linear world champion that's why I rate him, Williams KO'd a shot Mitchell. I could ask you the same question where does all this rating Williams come from?

I rate Williams high because he has the tool kit to dominate the division, his style along with his reach that's where the rating comes from did you see the Matthysse fight? Matthysse hits like a friggin jackhammer and 96% KO in his fights, Williams simply took the punches and fired back answering with 6 punches to everyone of Walters. Where does rating Judah come from?

Williams has had 30 bouts against nobdy it's easy to look impressive, he didn't look that great against Matthysse either got hit a lot, & name one guy on Matthysse's record. Easy to get a lot of KO's when you competition is limited. Judah's fought world class competition. Is a former world welterweight champion. Has great technically ability & speed to burn. His problem is he tends to lose focus. But he'd handle Williams easy.

So do you want me to handicap Judah v. Williams for ya? I mean that's what I do...............
Mattysse KOed 21 people within the first 3 rounds he's had a total of 26 fights now, I don't
care who you are facing, that statistic shows that he has power....96% KO rate || 87.5% KO rate within 3 rounds.
show me a fighter that has those numbers that isn't a power puncher.

[Tam Seddon]

Ok I've only seen one Williams fight and that was against Sharmba Mitchell.

To be honest I found him exciting but I didn't see a world beater here.

Now I'm the furthest thing away from a Tony Margarito fan but I think Tony would just brutalise this kid. He was way too open, got caught flush by Sharmba 4 times in a row in round 2 or 3 and just would not get away with such a weak defense against a guy like Margarito.

He throws a lot of punches, but he doesn't look like a big puncher, certainly no Hearns. I think he will get outmuscled by the best at 147lb.

If this fight happens against Margarito, and it's a probability seeing as he's Tony's mandatory I would say Tony inside 8 or 9 rounds.

I agree. Margarito or even Cintron could give Williams some troubles. Tall fighters sometime get use to being so much bigger then their opposition, when they face someone their own height the deficiencies they have in defense come into play more.. some tall fighter developed bad habits in regards to hand position over the years from fighting steady dose of short fighters, all of a sudden they fight someone who can hit them from little bit further away and it can be problematic esp when you get use to a comfort distance that is not there anymore. ( i don't know i am translating my thoughts very well ? )

But he is still 2" taller than both of those guys and has a 9" reach over Margarito and 10" reach over Cintron, on top of which I don't think either of those guys are as fast or as slick as Sharmba (say what you will about him).

At this point I think Floyd, Quintana, Margarito, Judah & Collazo all take that 0 of his record. With experience & improvement of his defense down the line who knows. But right now I think he's very beatable!

Floyd - Could beat Williams, it would be a war though, I am assuming PBF is going to 154 next year one way or another

Quintana - Look really good against the way over-hyped Joel Julio, Williams style wouldn't allow him to pick and choose his punches though

Margarito - He would really have to be on his "A" game or he will get hammered all night long, and speaking of defense I haven't been too impressed with Tony's defense either.

Judah - You're kidding right? If you haven't noticed he has a glass jaw and no legs, being just fast is not enough anymore

Collazo - Definately doesn't have the power to put him away, that being said Williams takes it on the cards.

Tony does keep a very high guard and he could use that to get inside williams. i think this would be a really good fight, i want to see it

[killersheep]

Ok I've only seen one Williams fight and that was against Sharmba Mitchell.

To be honest I found him exciting but I didn't see a world beater here.

Now I'm the furthest thing away from a Tony Margarito fan but I think Tony would just brutalise this kid. He was way too open, got caught flush by Sharmba 4 times in a row in round 2 or 3 and just would not get away with such a weak defense against a guy like Margarito.

He throws a lot of punches, but he doesn't look like a big puncher, certainly no Hearns. I think he will get outmuscled by the best at 147lb.

If this fight happens against Margarito, and it's a probability seeing as he's Tony's mandatory I would say Tony inside 8 or 9 rounds.

I agree. Margarito or even Cintron could give Williams some troubles. Tall fighters sometime get use to being so much bigger then their opposition, when they face someone their own height the deficiencies they have in defense come into play more.. some tall fighter developed bad habits in regards to hand position over the years from fighting steady dose of short fighters, all of a sudden they fight someone who can hit them from little bit further away and it can be problematic esp when you get use to a comfort distance that is not there anymore. ( i don't know i am translating my thoughts very well ? )

But he is still 2" taller than both of those guys and has a 9" reach over Margarito and 10" reach over Cintron, on top of which I don't think either of those guys are as fast or as slick as Sharmba (say what you will about him).

At this point I think Floyd, Quintana, Margarito, Judah & Collazo all take that 0 of his record. With experience & improvement of his defense down the line who knows. But right now I think he's very beatable!

Floyd - Could beat Williams, it would be a war though, I am assuming PBF is going to 154 next year one way or another

Quintana - Look really good against the way over-hyped Joel Julio, Williams style wouldn't allow him to pick and choose his punches though

Margarito - He would really have to be on his "A" game or he will get hammered all night long, and speaking of defense I haven't been too impressed with Tony's defense either.

Judah - You're kidding right? If you haven't noticed he has a glass jaw and no legs, being just fast is not enough anymore

Collazo - Definately doesn't have the power to put him away, that being said Williams takes it on the cards.

Tony does keep a very high guard and he could use that to get inside williams. i think this would be a really good fight, i want to see it

The thing is Williams has a brilliant inside game as well, that being said, I would definately pay for the PPV on that one.

[Galaxy]

hE WOUL KTFO Judah!!! You're joking right,where does all this rating Judah come from? He chokes on the big stage,heck he chokes on the small stage!

Bro I think Judah would KO Margarito! Williams' biggest win so far is over a faded Mitchell who hit him enough times for me to have concerns. Judah was doing well against Mayweather early on who I rate as the best in the world right now. Judah & Williams sign to fight next & Judah wins by KO!!!

Judah Koing Margarito has no basis on fact,it's hope,fantasy. If Margarito can take Cintron's punches,I'm sure he could take Judah's,Judah's power is over rated and thats a silly statement.

It has all the basis in the world, if I feel Williams can't beat Margarito but Judah can knock him out, then how does Williams stand a chance? The silly statement here is "He would KTFO Judah". At least Judah is a former linear world champion that's why I rate him, Williams KO'd a shot Mitchell. I could ask you the same question where does all this rating Williams come from?

I rate Williams high because he has the tool kit to dominate the division, his style along with his reach that's where the rating comes from did you see the Matthysse fight? Matthysse hits like a friggin jackhammer and 96% KO in his fights, Williams simply took the punches and fired back answering with 6 punches to everyone of Walters. Where does rating Judah come from?

Williams has had 30 bouts against nobdy it's easy to look impressive, he didn't look that great against Matthysse either got hit a lot, & name one guy on Matthysse's record. Easy to get a lot of KO's when you competition is limited. Judah's fought world class competition. Is a former world welterweight champion. Has great technically ability & speed to burn. His problem is he tends to lose focus. But he'd handle Williams easy.

So do you want me to handicap Judah v. Williams for ya? I mean that's what I do...............
Mattysse KOed 21 people within the first 3 rounds he's had a total of 26 fights now, I don't
care who you are facing, that statistic shows that he has power....96% KO rate || 87.5% KO rate within 3 rounds.
show me a fighter that has those numbers that isn't a power puncher.

I think nearly everyone on Matthysse's record had already been stopped at least once before except the undefeated Rueque. It's not like he wasn't doing something that hadn't already been done. Wasn't stopping guys who had never been ko'd. I'm not saying he doesn't have power, just hasn't fought any top competition. Sorta like Freitas dried up once he stepped up.

[killersheep]

hE WOUL KTFO Judah!!! You're joking right,where does all this rating Judah come from? He chokes on the big stage,heck he chokes on the small stage!

Bro I think Judah would KO Margarito! Williams' biggest win so far is over a faded Mitchell who hit him enough times for me to have concerns. Judah was doing well against Mayweather early on who I rate as the best in the world right now. Judah & Williams sign to fight next & Judah wins by KO!!!

Judah Koing Margarito has no basis on fact,it's hope,fantasy. If Margarito can take Cintron's punches,I'm sure he could take Judah's,Judah's power is over rated and thats a silly statement.

It has all the basis in the world, if I feel Williams can't beat Margarito but Judah can knock him out, then how does Williams stand a chance? The silly statement here is "He would KTFO Judah". At least Judah is a former linear world champion that's why I rate him, Williams KO'd a shot Mitchell. I could ask you the same question where does all this rating Williams come from?

I rate Williams high because he has the tool kit to dominate the division, his style along with his reach that's where the rating comes from did you see the Matthysse fight? Matthysse hits like a friggin jackhammer and 96% KO in his fights, Williams simply took the punches and fired back answering with 6 punches to everyone of Walters. Where does rating Judah come from?

Williams has had 30 bouts against nobdy it's easy to look impressive, he didn't look that great against Matthysse either got hit a lot, & name one guy on Matthysse's record. Easy to get a lot of KO's when you competition is limited. Judah's fought world class competition. Is a former world welterweight champion. Has great technically ability & speed to burn. His problem is he tends to lose focus. But he'd handle Williams easy.

So do you want me to handicap Judah v. Williams for ya? I mean that's what I do...............
Mattysse KOed 21 people within the first 3 rounds he's had a total of 26 fights now, I don't
care who you are facing, that statistic shows that he has power....96% KO rate || 87.5% KO rate within 3 rounds.
show me a fighter that has those numbers that isn't a power puncher.

I think nearly everyone on Matthysse's record had already been stopped at least once before except the undefeated Rueque. It's not like he wasn't doing something that hadn't already been done. Wasn't stopping guys who had never been ko'd. I'm not saying he doesn't have power, just hasn't fought any top competition. Sorta like Freitas dried up once he stepped up.

OK, thank you for validating the original point that Paul Williams can take a punch, as you say Mattysse has power and hit Williams with it a lot. I thought Williams looked good against Mattysse, he always gave more than he received.
To further extrapolate the Zabdiel argument remember we are talking Welterweight here which on that level he has beat, um let's see Cory Spinks and his record is 4-3-0 at welter yeah he's faced World level competition, but he's lost to World level competition.

[Galaxy]

hE WOUL KTFO Judah!!! You're joking right,where does all this rating Judah come from? He chokes on the big stage,heck he chokes on the small stage!

Bro I think Judah would KO Margarito! Williams' biggest win so far is over a faded Mitchell who hit him enough times for me to have concerns. Judah was doing well against Mayweather early on who I rate as the best in the world right now. Judah & Williams sign to fight next & Judah wins by KO!!!

Judah Koing Margarito has no basis on fact,it's hope,fantasy. If Margarito can take Cintron's punches,I'm sure he could take Judah's,Judah's power is over rated and thats a silly statement.

It has all the basis in the world, if I feel Williams can't beat Margarito but Judah can knock him out, then how does Williams stand a chance? The silly statement here is "He would KTFO Judah". At least Judah is a former linear world champion that's why I rate him, Williams KO'd a shot Mitchell. I could ask you the same question where does all this rating Williams come from?

I rate Williams high because he has the tool kit to dominate the division, his style along with his reach that's where the rating comes from did you see the Matthysse fight? Matthysse hits like a friggin jackhammer and 96% KO in his fights, Williams simply took the punches and fired back answering with 6 punches to everyone of Walters. Where does rating Judah come from?

Williams has had 30 bouts against nobdy it's easy to look impressive, he didn't look that great against Matthysse either got hit a lot, & name one guy on Matthysse's record. Easy to get a lot of KO's when you competition is limited. Judah's fought world class competition. Is a former world welterweight champion. Has great technically ability & speed to burn. His problem is he tends to lose focus. But he'd handle Williams easy.

So do you want me to handicap Judah v. Williams for ya? I mean that's what I do...............
Mattysse KOed 21 people within the first 3 rounds he's had a total of 26 fights now, I don't
care who you are facing, that statistic shows that he has power....96% KO rate || 87.5% KO rate within 3 rounds.
show me a fighter that has those numbers that isn't a power puncher.

I think nearly everyone on Matthysse's record had already been stopped at least once before except the undefeated Rueque. It's not like he wasn't doing something that hadn't already been done. Wasn't stopping guys who had never been ko'd. I'm not saying he doesn't have power, just hasn't fought any top competition. Sorta like Freitas dried up once he stepped up.

OK, thank you for validating the original point that Paul Williams can take a punch, as you say Mattysse has power and hit Williams with it a lot. I thought Williams looked good against Mattysse, he always gave more than he received.
To further extrapolate the Zabdiel argument remember we are talking Welterweight here which on that level he has beat, um let's see Cory Spinks and his record is 4-3-0 at welter yeah he's faced World level competition, but he's lost to World level competition.

cc bro you make some good points. Williams does take a good shot I never said he didn't, I just think if they signed to fight next Judah would stop him due to greater experience & abilty. Sure Williams gave more than he got from Mattyhsse but he got caught a little to much for my liking. I'm not saying Judah is great, hell I don't even like the guy but I feel at this point he still has enough talent & ability that I would favour him over Williams. Sure Judah has lost to world class competition but at least he's fought at that level, which Williams with a record of 31-0 has yet to do. I just feel all this over-rating of Williams is a little prematue.

[killersheep]

hE WOUL KTFO Judah!!! You're joking right,where does all this rating Judah come from? He chokes on the big stage,heck he chokes on the small stage!

Bro I think Judah would KO Margarito! Williams' biggest win so far is over a faded Mitchell who hit him enough times for me to have concerns. Judah was doing well against Mayweather early on who I rate as the best in the world right now. Judah & Williams sign to fight next & Judah wins by KO!!!

Judah Koing Margarito has no basis on fact,it's hope,fantasy. If Margarito can take Cintron's punches,I'm sure he could take Judah's,Judah's power is over rated and thats a silly statement.

It has all the basis in the world, if I feel Williams can't beat Margarito but Judah can knock him out, then how does Williams stand a chance? The silly statement here is "He would KTFO Judah". At least Judah is a former linear world champion that's why I rate him, Williams KO'd a shot Mitchell. I could ask you the same question where does all this rating Williams come from?

I rate Williams high because he has the tool kit to dominate the division, his style along with his reach that's where the rating comes from did you see the Matthysse fight? Matthysse hits like a friggin jackhammer and 96% KO in his fights, Williams simply took the punches and fired back answering with 6 punches to everyone of Walters. Where does rating Judah come from?

Williams has had 30 bouts against nobdy it's easy to look impressive, he didn't look that great against Matthysse either got hit a lot, & name one guy on Matthysse's record. Easy to get a lot of KO's when you competition is limited. Judah's fought world class competition. Is a former world welterweight champion. Has great technically ability & speed to burn. His problem is he tends to lose focus. But he'd handle Williams easy.

So do you want me to handicap Judah v. Williams for ya? I mean that's what I do...............
Mattysse KOed 21 people within the first 3 rounds he's had a total of 26 fights now, I don't
care who you are facing, that statistic shows that he has power....96% KO rate || 87.5% KO rate within 3 rounds.
show me a fighter that has those numbers that isn't a power puncher.

I think nearly everyone on Matthysse's record had already been stopped at least once before except the undefeated Rueque. It's not like he wasn't doing something that hadn't already been done. Wasn't stopping guys who had never been ko'd. I'm not saying he doesn't have power, just hasn't fought any top competition. Sorta like Freitas dried up once he stepped up.

OK, thank you for validating the original point that Paul Williams can take a punch, as you say Mattysse has power and hit Williams with it a lot. I thought Williams looked good against Mattysse, he always gave more than he received.
To further extrapolate the Zabdiel argument remember we are talking Welterweight here which on that level he has beat, um let's see Cory Spinks and his record is 4-3-0 at welter yeah he's faced World level competition, but he's lost to World level competition.

cc bro you make some good points. Williams does take a good shot I never said he didn't, I just think if they signed to fight next Judah would stop him due to greater experience & abilty. Sure Williams gave more than he got from Mattyhsse but he got caught a little to much for my liking. I'm not saying Judah is great, hell I don't even like the guy but I feel at this point he still has enough talent & ability that I would favour him over Williams. Sure Judah has lost to world class competition but at least he's fought at that level, which Williams with a record of 31-0 has yet to do. I just feel all this over-rating of Williams is a little prematue.

cc back of course, I'd be lying if I said I didn't enjoy debating you
and of course we can't really do anything but speculate at this point.
But here is something that I think you will agree on, and that's The Punisher is
ready to take that step to the upper tier of the welterweight division, in my
book he's earned a chance to fight anyone in the top 10.

[Galaxy]

hE WOUL KTFO Judah!!! You're joking right,where does all this rating Judah come from? He chokes on the big stage,heck he chokes on the small stage!

Bro I think Judah would KO Margarito! Williams' biggest win so far is over a faded Mitchell who hit him enough times for me to have concerns. Judah was doing well against Mayweather early on who I rate as the best in the world right now. Judah & Williams sign to fight next & Judah wins by KO!!!

Judah Koing Margarito has no basis on fact,it's hope,fantasy. If Margarito can take Cintron's punches,I'm sure he could take Judah's,Judah's power is over rated and thats a silly statement.

It has all the basis in the world, if I feel Williams can't beat Margarito but Judah can knock him out, then how does Williams stand a chance? The silly statement here is "He would KTFO Judah". At least Judah is a former linear world champion that's why I rate him, Williams KO'd a shot Mitchell. I could ask you the same question where does all this rating Williams come from?

I rate Williams high because he has the tool kit to dominate the division, his style along with his reach that's where the rating comes from did you see the Matthysse fight? Matthysse hits like a friggin jackhammer and 96% KO in his fights, Williams simply took the punches and fired back answering with 6 punches to everyone of Walters. Where does rating Judah come from?

Williams has had 30 bouts against nobdy it's easy to look impressive, he didn't look that great against Matthysse either got hit a lot, & name one guy on Matthysse's record. Easy to get a lot of KO's when you competition is limited. Judah's fought world class competition. Is a former world welterweight champion. Has great technically ability & speed to burn. His problem is he tends to lose focus. But he'd handle Williams easy.

So do you want me to handicap Judah v. Williams for ya? I mean that's what I do...............
Mattysse KOed 21 people within the first 3 rounds he's had a total of 26 fights now, I don't
care who you are facing, that statistic shows that he has power....96% KO rate || 87.5% KO rate within 3 rounds.
show me a fighter that has those numbers that isn't a power puncher.

I think nearly everyone on Matthysse's record had already been stopped at least once before except the undefeated Rueque. It's not like he wasn't doing something that hadn't already been done. Wasn't stopping guys who had never been ko'd. I'm not saying he doesn't have power, just hasn't fought any top competition. Sorta like Freitas dried up once he stepped up.

OK, thank you for validating the original point that Paul Williams can take a punch, as you say Mattysse has power and hit Williams with it a lot. I thought Williams looked good against Mattysse, he always gave more than he received.
To further extrapolate the Zabdiel argument remember we are talking Welterweight here which on that level he has beat, um let's see Cory Spinks and his record is 4-3-0 at welter yeah he's faced World level competition, but he's lost to World level competition.

cc bro you make some good points. Williams does take a good shot I never said he didn't, I just think if they signed to fight next Judah would stop him due to greater experience & abilty. Sure Williams gave more than he got from Mattyhsse but he got caught a little to much for my liking. I'm not saying Judah is great, hell I don't even like the guy but I feel at this point he still has enough talent & ability that I would favour him over Williams. Sure Judah has lost to world class competition but at least he's fought at that level, which Williams with a record of 31-0 has yet to do. I just feel all this over-rating of Williams is a little prematue.

cc back of course, I'd be lying if I said I didn't enjoy debating you
and of course we can't really do anything but speculate at this point.
But here is something that I think you will agree on, and that's The Punisher is
ready to take that step to the upper tier of the welterweight division, in my
book he's earned a chance to fight anyone in the top 10.

Definitely agree, & that's the great thing here Williams although Mitchell is the biggest name on his record can already make some big match ups at welter. I'd love to see him in with Margarito. But the fight I'd really love to see is Quintana/ Williams. Battle of the contender's. & with Cotto maybe moving to 147 the welterweight division is humming.

[killersheep]

hE WOUL KTFO Judah!!! You're joking right,where does all this rating Judah come from? He chokes on the big stage,heck he chokes on the small stage!

Bro I think Judah would KO Margarito! Williams' biggest win so far is over a faded Mitchell who hit him enough times for me to have concerns. Judah was doing well against Mayweather early on who I rate as the best in the world right now. Judah & Williams sign to fight next & Judah wins by KO!!!

Judah Koing Margarito has no basis on fact,it's hope,fantasy. If Margarito can take Cintron's punches,I'm sure he could take Judah's,Judah's power is over rated and thats a silly statement.

It has all the basis in the world, if I feel Williams can't beat Margarito but Judah can knock him out, then how does Williams stand a chance? The silly statement here is "He would KTFO Judah". At least Judah is a former linear world champion that's why I rate him, Williams KO'd a shot Mitchell. I could ask you the same question where does all this rating Williams come from?

I rate Williams high because he has the tool kit to dominate the division, his style along with his reach that's where the rating comes from did you see the Matthysse fight? Matthysse hits like a friggin jackhammer and 96% KO in his fights, Williams simply took the punches and fired back answering with 6 punches to everyone of Walters. Where does rating Judah come from?

Williams has had 30 bouts against nobdy it's easy to look impressive, he didn't look that great against Matthysse either got hit a lot, & name one guy on Matthysse's record. Easy to get a lot of KO's when you competition is limited. Judah's fought world class competition. Is a former world welterweight champion. Has great technically ability & speed to burn. His problem is he tends to lose focus. But he'd handle Williams easy.

So do you want me to handicap Judah v. Williams for ya? I mean that's what I do...............
Mattysse KOed 21 people within the first 3 rounds he's had a total of 26 fights now, I don't
care who you are facing, that statistic shows that he has power....96% KO rate || 87.5% KO rate within 3 rounds.
show me a fighter that has those numbers that isn't a power puncher.

I think nearly everyone on Matthysse's record had already been stopped at least once before except the undefeated Rueque. It's not like he wasn't doing something that hadn't already been done. Wasn't stopping guys who had never been ko'd. I'm not saying he doesn't have power, just hasn't fought any top competition. Sorta like Freitas dried up once he stepped up.

OK, thank you for validating the original point that Paul Williams can take a punch, as you say Mattysse has power and hit Williams with it a lot. I thought Williams looked good against Mattysse, he always gave more than he received.
To further extrapolate the Zabdiel argument remember we are talking Welterweight here which on that level he has beat, um let's see Cory Spinks and his record is 4-3-0 at welter yeah he's faced World level competition, but he's lost to World level competition.

cc bro you make some good points. Williams does take a good shot I never said he didn't, I just think if they signed to fight next Judah would stop him due to greater experience & abilty. Sure Williams gave more than he got from Mattyhsse but he got caught a little to much for my liking. I'm not saying Judah is great, hell I don't even like the guy but I feel at this point he still has enough talent & ability that I would favour him over Williams. Sure Judah has lost to world class competition but at least he's fought at that level, which Williams with a record of 31-0 has yet to do. I just feel all this over-rating of Williams is a little prematue.

cc back of course, I'd be lying if I said I didn't enjoy debating you
and of course we can't really do anything but speculate at this point.
But here is something that I think you will agree on, and that's The Punisher is
ready to take that step to the upper tier of the welterweight division, in my
book he's earned a chance to fight anyone in the top 10.

Definitely agree, & that's the great thing here Williams although Mitchell is the biggest name on his record can already make some big match ups at welter. I'd love to see him in with Margarito. But the fight I'd really love to see is Quintana/ Williams. Battle of the contender's. & with Cotto maybe moving to 147 the welterweight division is humming.

Yeah, it's kinda weird though with all of the talent in WW it seems damn near impossible for anyone to schedule any fights. I too would like to see Quintana / Williams style-wise they would both be up against something they've never been in the ring with before. I am really looking forward to see how Cotto's power translates into welter as well, if he still has that power and doesn't have to emaciate himself before fights, man he could really do damage.

[Galaxy]

hE WOUL KTFO Judah!!! You're joking right,where does all this rating Judah come from? He chokes on the big stage,heck he chokes on the small stage!

Bro I think Judah would KO Margarito! Williams' biggest win so far is over a faded Mitchell who hit him enough times for me to have concerns. Judah was doing well against Mayweather early on who I rate as the best in the world right now. Judah & Williams sign to fight next & Judah wins by KO!!!

Judah Koing Margarito has no basis on fact,it's hope,fantasy. If Margarito can take Cintron's punches,I'm sure he could take Judah's,Judah's power is over rated and thats a silly statement.

It has all the basis in the world, if I feel Williams can't beat Margarito but Judah can knock him out, then how does Williams stand a chance? The silly statement here is "He would KTFO Judah". At least Judah is a former linear world champion that's why I rate him, Williams KO'd a shot Mitchell. I could ask you the same question where does all this rating Williams come from?

I rate Williams high because he has the tool kit to dominate the division, his style along with his reach that's where the rating comes from did you see the Matthysse fight? Matthysse hits like a friggin jackhammer and 96% KO in his fights, Williams simply took the punches and fired back answering with 6 punches to everyone of Walters. Where does rating Judah come from?

Williams has had 30 bouts against nobdy it's easy to look impressive, he didn't look that great against Matthysse either got hit a lot, & name one guy on Matthysse's record. Easy to get a lot of KO's when you competition is limited. Judah's fought world class competition. Is a former world welterweight champion. Has great technically ability & speed to burn. His problem is he tends to lose focus. But he'd handle Williams easy.

So do you want me to handicap Judah v. Williams for ya? I mean that's what I do...............
Mattysse KOed 21 people within the first 3 rounds he's had a total of 26 fights now, I don't
care who you are facing, that statistic shows that he has power....96% KO rate || 87.5% KO rate within 3 rounds.
show me a fighter that has those numbers that isn't a power puncher.

I think nearly everyone on Matthysse's record had already been stopped at least once before except the undefeated Rueque. It's not like he wasn't doing something that hadn't already been done. Wasn't stopping guys who had never been ko'd. I'm not saying he doesn't have power, just hasn't fought any top competition. Sorta like Freitas dried up once he stepped up.

OK, thank you for validating the original point that Paul Williams can take a punch, as you say Mattysse has power and hit Williams with it a lot. I thought Williams looked good against Mattysse, he always gave more than he received.
To further extrapolate the Zabdiel argument remember we are talking Welterweight here which on that level he has beat, um let's see Cory Spinks and his record is 4-3-0 at welter yeah he's faced World level competition, but he's lost to World level competition.

cc bro you make some good points. Williams does take a good shot I never said he didn't, I just think if they signed to fight next Judah would stop him due to greater experience & abilty. Sure Williams gave more than he got from Mattyhsse but he got caught a little to much for my liking. I'm not saying Judah is great, hell I don't even like the guy but I feel at this point he still has enough talent & ability that I would favour him over Williams. Sure Judah has lost to world class competition but at least he's fought at that level, which Williams with a record of 31-0 has yet to do. I just feel all this over-rating of Williams is a little prematue.

cc back of course, I'd be lying if I said I didn't enjoy debating you
and of course we can't really do anything but speculate at this point.
But here is something that I think you will agree on, and that's The Punisher is
ready to take that step to the upper tier of the welterweight division, in my
book he's earned a chance to fight anyone in the top 10.

Definitely agree, & that's the great thing here Williams although Mitchell is the biggest name on his record can already make some big match ups at welter. I'd love to see him in with Margarito. But the fight I'd really love to see is Quintana/ Williams. Battle of the contender's. & with Cotto maybe moving to 147 the welterweight division is humming.

Yeah, it's kinda weird though with all of the talent in WW it seems damn near impossible for anyone to schedule any fights. I too would like to see Quintana / Williams style-wise they would both be up against something they've never been in the ring with before. I am really looking forward to see how Cotto's power translates into welter as well, if he still has that power and doesn't have to emaciate himself before fights, man he could really do damage.

Yeah bro so many potentially great match up's but no ones making the fights. At least the #1 contender Floyd is taking on the champion Baldomir. It's a start. I'm sure in the coming months many more top fights will hopefully be made.