Zab Judah!

[El Gamo]

Not gunna quote that El Game, but I do believe your out of line in saying Chavez was more competitive then Zab, in fact that's probably the most ridiculous thing Ive heard you post, no offence. Zab was actually DOMINATING Floyd for 4 or 5 rounds, noone ever caught him with the same kind of punches or consistently controlled the action as much... I feel Castillo and Zab are basically tied in that regard, Castillo won more rounds and probably deserved the win, but Zab still had Floyd in the most trouble, imo. He did drop him, and hurt him a couple times at least.

I've only seen the fight twice but I remember Lederman and Merchant having it close,I had PBF ahead by 2,Merchant 2 and Lederman 1 and fair enough,Chavez was getting beaten on but he made it his type of fight,it's just PBF was better than him in every aspect. Zab did not DOMINATE like you say,PBF was thinking his way around it,how can you prove Floyd was trying his best? When did he hurt Floyd a couple of times? I take no offence because I have justified why I think it was close. Zab won those rounds because PBF was doing nothing,thinking,how many punches did he throw during those rounds? What happened when he actually started becoming active?

[cockey cockney]

C'mon folks - Zab Judah is the COMPLETE fighter....

...he just lacks mental focus

...and has a poor trainer

...and has a glass chin

...lacks heart when in danger

Basically he owns a pair of shorts !!! LMAO

LOOOOOL i like it! Anyways on a serious note Zab definately has talent to be a top fighter however there is always the problem even if he sorts out mental issue with his chin, thats the worrying thing.

[El Gamo]

Sorry,P4P king,owe you an apology,although I still think the rounds were close,I don't think I had it by 2,it was much more than that to Floyd but I do think it was a competetive fight,Floyd was winning by more than 2. Lederman did have it by 1 though!

[p4pking]

Not gunna quote that El Game, but I do believe your out of line in saying Chavez was more competitive then Zab, in fact that's probably the most ridiculous thing Ive heard you post, no offence. Zab was actually DOMINATING Floyd for 4 or 5 rounds, noone ever caught him with the same kind of punches or consistently controlled the action as much... I feel Castillo and Zab are basically tied in that regard, Castillo won more rounds and probably deserved the win, but Zab still had Floyd in the most trouble, imo. He did drop him, and hurt him a couple times at least.

I've only seen the fight twice but I remember Lederman and Merchant having it close,I had PBF ahead by 2,Merchant 2 and Lederman 1 and fair enough,Chavez was getting beaten on but he made it his type of fight,it's just PBF was better than him in every aspect. Zab did not DOMINATE like you say,PBF was thinking his way around it,how can you prove Floyd was trying his best? When did he hurt Floyd a couple of times? I take no offence because I have justified why I think it was close. Zab won those rounds because PBF was doing nothing,thinking,how many punches did he throw during those rounds? What happened when he actually started becoming active?

Ok, so Floyd wasn't trying his best... THat's what you think? Hell.. It's not like he's a professional athlete in a brutal sport where your life is on the line and you train for months on end for one fight.. Im sure he was just dicking around. You already disproved yourself too really, by admitting that PBF is better then Chavez in every aspect... He isn't better than Judah in every aspect, in fact 2 crucial aspects, speed and power... Zab has more of both, and he WAS dominating early because of it.. Sure Floyd began to outclass him but it was a combination of Judah tiring and Floyds body work paying off... If you watch the fight carefully Floyd comes forward almost the entire time, his plan was clearly to pressure Zab all night, and imo, he had alot more trouble then he bargained for in doing so early.

[p4pking]

Sorry,P4P king,owe you an apology,although I still think the rounds were close,I don't think I had it by 2,it was much more than that to Floyd but I do think it was a competetive fight,Floyd was winning by more than 2. Lederman did have it by 1 though!

To be honest, if you can watch Floyd fight Chavez and then Judah back to back, and still tell me Chavez was more competitive, or gave him a tougher fight.. Well, your nuts.

[frozensolid_702]

so he lost to mayweather, and he lost a controversial decision against baldomir (i had zab by a round or two) and now people are sweating him and saying that hes pretty much done.

...and got blasted out by Kostya. Forgot to mention that.

Or did I just miss it.

You say that like he is the only guy thats ever been knocked out by Tszyu

Ummmmmmm...no my dear...I say that like...he mentioned some facts...but forgot to mention the most pertinent one.

I mean come one now...nobody on the face of the planet (including Judah himself) knew that he could do the shuffle like that.

i mentioned tszyu by saying to look at previous performances, EXCLUDING tszyu

but yeah, zab got rocked about as hard as anyone ive ever seen (but he looked good in the 1st round, if that means anything :P)

[Samson3000]

Not gunna quote that El Game, but I do believe your out of line in saying Chavez was more competitive then Zab, in fact that's probably the most ridiculous thing Ive heard you post, no offence. Zab was actually DOMINATING Floyd for 4 or 5 rounds, noone ever caught him with the same kind of punches or consistently controlled the action as much... I feel Castillo and Zab are basically tied in that regard, Castillo won more rounds and probably deserved the win, but Zab still had Floyd in the most trouble, imo. He did drop him, and hurt him a couple times at least.

I've only seen the fight twice but I remember Lederman and Merchant having it close,I had PBF ahead by 2,Merchant 2 and Lederman 1 and fair enough,Chavez was getting beaten on but he made it his type of fight,it's just PBF was better than him in every aspect. Zab did not DOMINATE like you say,PBF was thinking his way around it,how can you prove Floyd was trying his best? When did he hurt Floyd a couple of times? I take no offence because I have justified why I think it was close. Zab won those rounds because PBF was doing nothing,thinking,how many punches did he throw during those rounds? What happened when he actually started becoming active?

Ok, so Floyd wasn't trying his best... THat's what you think? Hell.. It's not like he's a professional athlete in a brutal sport where your life is on the line and you train for months on end for one fight.. Im sure he was just dicking around. You already disproved yourself too really, by admitting that PBF is better then Chavez in every aspect... He isn't better than Judah in every aspect, in fact 2 crucial aspects, speed and power... Zab has more of both, and he WAS dominating early because of it.. Sure Floyd began to outclass him but it was a combination of Judah tiring and Floyds body work paying off... If you watch the fight carefully Floyd comes forward almost the entire time, his plan was clearly to pressure Zab all night, and imo, he had alot more trouble then he bargained for in doing so early.

Zab does not have more speed and power than Mayweather. You could make an argument that they're the same, but Judah was getting beaten to the punch more often than Mayweather when they fought, and that's the determining factor of measuring speed when 2 boxers face off. And as far as power, I can't recall either guy taking out anyone with one shot (I'm not including all the early tuneup fights that fighters have at the beginning of their careers), so I don't see how either one could make a case as having more power than the other.

p.s.--There was no 'dominating' taking place by EITHER fighter that night. Zab didn't 'dominate' the first 4 rounds and Floyd didn't 'dominate' the last 8. It was a comparable contest to Jones-Hopkins, where one guy won convincingly, but in a hard fought bout.

[Hulk]

Not gunna quote that El Game, but I do believe your out of line in saying Chavez was more competitive then Zab, in fact that's probably the most ridiculous thing Ive heard you post, no offence. Zab was actually DOMINATING Floyd for 4 or 5 rounds, noone ever caught him with the same kind of punches or consistently controlled the action as much... I feel Castillo and Zab are basically tied in that regard, Castillo won more rounds and probably deserved the win, but Zab still had Floyd in the most trouble, imo. He did drop him, and hurt him a couple times at least.

Damn straight. On both counts, Castillo won the first fight, and Zab was poundin PBF early, till Floyd figured him out, Zab seemed to tire and stray from his gameplan.

[Puya]

Zab's fighting November 23rd. And he called our Margarito. There's an interview with him here boxingtalk.net but you need to be a member to view it

Sweet I really want to see if Maragarito is what are all saying he is and If Zab is no done yet like some say

[yoitsdan]

Zab Judah has only one hope of becoming a champ again, and this is going back down to 140 where he belongs, he has no physicality, awful stamina and a terrible chin, yes he is quick, agile and has unbelivable range control going forward, decent power, but he cannot take a punch, is terrible when pressured, and has little desire when it ain't going his way. There's no question about his talents, buit there's also no question he has many weaknesses.

Judah's a hell of a lot more talented than Hatton.

I semi-agree with that. Zab is more gifted in the speed department, reactions etc, but whats the point in having talent if you don't train well, have any focus, or strength. Hatton has the right genetics to be what he is, i.e musclar endurance, strength, so you could call that talent, plus he trains harder than anyone. Does zab do 30 mins straight, hitting a bag for a round constantly, all power combos, sprint to other side of gym, jump over a four foot beam for a round, sprint to bag etc. with no rest or anything of comparison? Hatton was born to train, Judah was born to fail. If Zab worked as hard as Hatton or Floyd in the gym, had the dedication, focus and toughness, he could be as good or better. Zab gases in every fight, and never throws enough punches in a round ever.

[means2184]

Man,that baldomir fight was not controversial! ..zab back pedeled all night ...which would have been fine had he successfully let his hands go while going backwards but he was outboxed and pushed backwards ....i dont remember any controversy lol

[ElTerribleMorales]

so he lost to mayweather, and he lost a controversial decision against baldomir (i had zab by a round or two) and now people are sweating him and saying that hes pretty much done.

bad news, haters. hes gonna come back!

was i the only one who saw the first portion of the mayweather fight that thought to themselves that judah was about as good at welterweight as just about anybody ive seen in a very long time?

of course, mayweather adjusted his game plan and picked him apart for the remainder of the fight, but thats floyd mayweather jr. and he would do that to ANYBODY.

as for baldomir, it was zab at his worst that night and if they rematched again, i would pick zab all day long.

take a look at zabs other performances (excluding tszyu) and you will see why i say these things so confidently

he has the ability, the speed, the power, the footwork, and at times the stamina. i cant deny that hes a headcase, but that is the only flaw i see in his game (no question that its a huge one, though)

i think his mental issues can be overcome. maybe he can cure that with meds (lithium, prozac, ridolin, or something) or what is even more likely, how about breaking away from yoel (another big setback in his career, imo) and maybe hooking up with a quality team.

even if zab does neither, i know that he has all the necessary intangibles to be on top again............and he will!



look out for zab in 2007

don't know about you, but i thought that Zab looked like shit against Corley, and i think that Judah is like at the bottom of the food chain at 147, all the following would beat him and plenty would only have to connect once to do so,

Margarito

Mayweather Jr. (again)

Williams (if he can keep him out, he'll knock him out much like he did Mitchell)

Collazo (his speed and the negation of the southpaw stance, plus his better boxing ability he could beat Zab on points)

Hatton (has the chin to take Judah's shots, he'll pressure him into a war and then he'll get caught)

Cotto (he'll bang him to the body and the head with the pattented left hook and Judah will delight us to another shuffle)

Quintana (his size, ability, stance, and power would be enough to beat Judah)

and Baldomir (he proved that he can take Judah's punch, and very well at that, he'd just be more confident now and give Judah way less respect, which is exactly what Judah deserves)

only way that Judah will ever be champion again is if he wins a vacant title against some bum that has fought his own cousins

[zhubin]

Zab is a mentally weak fighter. Add to that his porcelain chin and his unwarranted/undeserved arrogance in and out of the ring...you have a chump, not a champ

[OumaFan]

Zab's a great fighter for the first half of fights.

But if you can take his power, not get knocked out, and keep coming he breaks down mentally. Its happened time and time again which is why the Floyd fight wasn't that surprising, although it was surprising that he did as well as he did early. Judah's faded in fights versus guys as ordinary as Pineda, Corley and Weiss. In all those fights he just stopped doing anything in the mid to later rounds. Even against Tsyzu he looked great for one round, did nothing in the second round and got knocked out. As fights go on he just goes into do as little as possible mode, especially if he gets hurt like in the Baldomir fight (a fight he'd lose again if they had a rematch), and against elite fighters that just doesn't work. I was impressed with him in the second Spinks fight because he was consistent, outside of the Micky Ward fight, when he was not being trained by his father, and to some extent the first Spinks fight how often has he fought consistently? It basically comes down to mental weakness. And you just can't discount that, its a big problem, he's mentally fragile.

[means2184]

Zab is a mentally weak fighter. Add to that his porcelain chin and his unwarranted/undeserved arrogance in and out of the ring...you have a chump, not a champ

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