Americans hate british fighters. Why?

[cockey cockney]

i think British fighters just have really poor promoters i.e. Warren and co. They just dont seem capable of making the biggest fights. They also seem to protect their fighters too much. They talk about Hatton and Calzaghe being greats but dont seem to want them to fight the best. What i mean is RH and JC are both unbeaten, and their promoters are scared of having those L's on their records. Even the greatest boxers of all time where defeated, what made them great was their abillity to come back better than before. Thats why until Hatton and Calzaghe fight the very best out there they cant be considered greats. Thats why i dont think Americans respect them very much.

Great post buddy, have a and welcome ish to the board.

[Steelie]

Point well-taken, however I don't believe that MAB would have had the opportunities if he would only fight in London, nor if he was to stay in Mexico City, he got the big name fights by leaving his country and workin his way up in Vegas. The thing about Vegas is that is where the largest international viewership fights come from and the biggest opportunities.

Yep, I conceed all that. I'm just trying to illustrate that in the hypothetical world where 's he's been allowed the same opportunities, fought the same fights etc, that if he'd have fought them outside of the US they wouldn't of made him less of a fighter. It would, however, have made him less respected by US based fight fans.




Interestingly, no one ever disses the US based fighters for not leaving the US...even us Brits...

[yoitsdan]

Yep, and also why do irish fighters get worshipped so much? In the words of the late great Bill Hicks, 'I missed that fucking meeting'.

[ElTerribleMorales]

i don't dislike any fighter due to their race or wherever they come from, i dislike them either if they do something that i don't agree with in or out of the ring, like Lewis i don't like this man at all, i think that he was just as average as the rest of the HW's that are around now, and he would make himself out to be the king of HW's of all time, that he was greater than both Joe Louis and Muhammad Ali, same thing goes for Hamed, i like Hatton, i just don't like the fact that his people keep him from fighting the best out there (rematch with Collazo, Cotto, Mayweather, Margarito, hell even Gatti or Harris), i like Calzaghe also but the same thing as Hatton, his people aside from Lacey make him go for bigger and better fights in either 175 or 160, he could make both weights easy and effectively (if he would we would be able to see fights against, Wright, Taylor, Tarver, Hopkins, Johnson, Jones Jr, Abraham, or even at 168 against Kessler, Green, or Beyer)

[killersheep]

Point well-taken, however I don't believe that MAB would have had the opportunities if he would only fight in London, nor if he was to stay in Mexico City, he got the big name fights by leaving his country and workin his way up in Vegas. The thing about Vegas is that is where the largest international viewership fights come from and the biggest opportunities.

Yep, I conceed all that. I'm just trying to illustrate that in the hypothetical world where 's he's been allowed the same opportunities, fought the same fights etc, that if he'd have fought them outside of the US they wouldn't of made him less of a fighter. It would, however, have made him less respected by US based fight fans.




Interestingly, no one ever disses the US based fighters for not leaving the US...even us Brits...

That's because the biggest fights internationally happen in Vegas, love it or hate it that's how it is.
It is doubtful that PBF, Mosley, Tarver or others could make the kind of money they do fighting anywhere but Vegas.
Winky has fought in London and South Africa. For what it's worth I have great respect for all the UK Islanders on
this board.

[killersheep]

Yep, and also why do irish fighters get worshipped so much? In the words of the late great Bill Hicks, 'I missed that fucking meeting'.

Which Irish fighters are you talkin about?

[X]

"If all the British heavyweights were laid out end to end, I wouldn't be at all surprised"



On another point, I have to say that lots of people on this site - and everywhere else - always mix up Nationality and Race. There is a big difference between the two and people alway say 'that's racist' when someone slags off someone British or American or something. I would have thought that there are lots of black and lots of white British people, so disliking them because they are Brits is NATIONALISTIC, whereas disliking them for being white or black is RACIST.

I'm not pointing the finger at anyone in particular (that might be fingerist), but don't you thhink we are in danger of mixing the two up to help an even bigger culture of victimhood amongst some people?

[Steelie]

Point well-taken, however I don't believe that MAB would have had the opportunities if he would only fight in London, nor if he was to stay in Mexico City, he got the big name fights by leaving his country and workin his way up in Vegas. The thing about Vegas is that is where the largest international viewership fights come from and the biggest opportunities.

Yep, I conceed all that. I'm just trying to illustrate that in the hypothetical world where 's he's been allowed the same opportunities, fought the same fights etc, that if he'd have fought them outside of the US they wouldn't of made him less of a fighter. It would, however, have made him less respected by US based fight fans.




Interestingly, no one ever disses the US based fighters for not leaving the US...even us Brits...

That's because the biggest fights internationally happen in Vegas, love it or hate it that's how it is.
It is doubtful that PBF, Mosley, Tarver or others could make the kind of money they do fighting anywhere but Vegas.
Winky has fought in London and South Africa. For what it's worth I have great respect for all the UK Islanders on
this board.

Again, I agree Vegas is Boxings Mecca. I'd want to fight there too. However, the Manchester crowds have proved that the Brits will turn out at 2am to accomodate the US TV networks so the US based guys could actually make more money over here. They generally get 'compensated' for making the trip, they wouldn't have to sacrifice the all important TV revenue and they'd be fighting in front of a bigger crowd.

Winky had to fight outside of the US, he really is the exception to the rule. He's one for the purists and has always struggled to draw a crowd of his own. He basically fought wherever he was getting paid.

Actually, lets flip it on it's head...does Winky fighting outside the US make any difference to your opinion of him??

[JT Rock]

"If all the British heavyweights were laid out end to end, I wouldn't be at all surprised"



On another point, I have to say that lots of people on this site - and everywhere else - always mix up Nationality and Race. There is a big difference between the two and people alway say 'that's racist' when someone slags off someone British or American or something. I would have thought that there are lots of black and lots of white British people, so disliking them because they are Brits is NATIONALISTIC, whereas disliking them for being white or black is RACIST.

I'm not pointing the finger at anyone in particular (that might be fingerist), but don't you thhink we are in danger of mixing the two up to help an even bigger culture of victimhood amongst some people?

And then there is.....X.... The voice of reason..LOL!!!!!!!

[killersheep]

Point well-taken, however I don't believe that MAB would have had the opportunities if he would only fight in London, nor if he was to stay in Mexico City, he got the big name fights by leaving his country and workin his way up in Vegas. The thing about Vegas is that is where the largest international viewership fights come from and the biggest opportunities.

Yep, I conceed all that. I'm just trying to illustrate that in the hypothetical world where 's he's been allowed the same opportunities, fought the same fights etc, that if he'd have fought them outside of the US they wouldn't of made him less of a fighter. It would, however, have made him less respected by US based fight fans.




Interestingly, no one ever disses the US based fighters for not leaving the US...even us Brits...

That's because the biggest fights internationally happen in Vegas, love it or hate it that's how it is.
It is doubtful that PBF, Mosley, Tarver or others could make the kind of money they do fighting anywhere but Vegas.
Winky has fought in London and South Africa. For what it's worth I have great respect for all the UK Islanders on
this board.

Again, I agree Vegas is Boxings Mecca. I'd want to fight there too. However, the Manchester crowds have proved that the Brits will turn out at 2am to accomodate the US TV networks so the US based guys could actually make more money over here. They generally get 'compensated' for making the trip, they wouldn't have to sacrifice the all important TV revenue and they'd be fighting in front of a bigger crowd.

Winky had to fight outside of the US, he really is the exception to the rule. He's one for the purists and has always struggled to draw a crowd of his own. He basically fought wherever he was getting paid.

Actually, lets flip it on it's head...does Winky fighting outside the US make any difference to your opinion of him??

Yes I respect any fighter that will travel more, and can prove themselves in different circumstances, Think of how fights are reffed and judged differently in England, Thailand, Germany, Japan and the US. That is one of the main reasons that Glenn Johnson is one of my favorite fighters,
because he HAS travelled the world. CC I am enjoying this debate. And to flip one more time, does a fighter only fighting in England change your opinion of them?

[sweet science]

i don't hate any good british boxer. and, in fact, i wish i was in a pub in london-town, or in the glorious english countryside, drinking a few pints of bitter right now.

[yoitsdan]

Yep, and also why do irish fighters get worshipped so much? In the words of the late great Bill Hicks, 'I missed that fucking meeting'.

Which Irish fighters are you talkin about?

Sorry, I mean Irish or irish descent. I don't mean just boxing either, i.e Million Dollar Baby, Boston Celtics, as well as 'Irish' Mickey Ward or recently John Duddy, exciting fighters in their own right, but pulling in the case of John Duddy, bigger crowds than American world champs! It's strange. Americans have a thing for the irish, 'fighting' irish.

[Lords Gym]

From the impression I get from this forum, and plenty of american boxers, a lot of yanks just don't like british boxers. I hate to generalise but all I ever hear is hate towards Hatton, Calzaghe, Lewis, Eubank, Benn, Bruno and pretty much every british fighter to cross the shores or have any sort of exposure. I can't explain it, so I was hoping someone would enlighten me, because it seems none of you have a problem with Irish Fighters, and all you yanks with a drop of Irish blood in you all of a sudden feel the need to wear tartan! I'm half Irish myself and I don't feel any different from the the next guy. I'm confused

Before I read the other post, I want to comment... I don't like the Aurthur Abrahams and the Witter, and Hamed and the American Winky Wright even tho these guys can sometimes be thrilling ,, but that defense first type of fighting does not appeal to me as a viewing fan .However I love the Nigel Benn- and Ricky Hatton ( fucking love this guy) and Joe Calzaghe , because they brings it ! .. So for me its a stylistic preference and not a hatred for the UK fighter .. . I never got into that hatter mentality..I go with styles and the personality of a fighter. whats pleasing to the eye , Is this fighter risking something to try and win? Determination factor.. just watched Witter's last performance and it was a shameful one. all that posing and cockiness. i cant stand that in a fighter, no matter where they from... to me Witter is much different from a James Toney cockiness. because Toney brings it 100% and that dilutes the negative aspects of his cocky B.S. The Defense first mentality sucks in a contact sport like boxing.. Just think if 2 fighters have that mentality, we would all be turing the channel to watch Tennis. .

[Cortez The Killer]

Yep, and also why do irish fighters get worshipped so much? In the words of the late great Bill Hicks, 'I missed that F****** meeting'.

Which Irish fighters are you talkin about?

Sorry, I mean Irish or irish descent. I don't mean just boxing either, i.e Million Dollar Baby, Boston Celtics, as well as 'Irish' Mickey Ward or recently John Duddy, exciting fighters in their own right, but pulling in the case of John Duddy, bigger crowds than American world champs! It's strange. Americans have a thing for the irish, 'fighting' irish.

The idea of this whole post is based on generalizations. I'm american and dont hate british fighters. None of my american friends hate british fighters. Americans may be less familiar with british fighters, but that is all.

As for the statement "Americans have a thing for the irish" umm...that's like me saying since you made a couple bad posts on this thread that "All british people make bad posts". See what I'm getting at? There is a large irish american community in NYC where duddy fights, go to southern california and not gonna find any duddy fans.

[Wacko3205]

I really don't need to mention it again...but...I don't give two flying fwocks where a man is from or what color his skin is...long as he can fight...I'm down.

Some of me favorites:

Abraham, Strum, Hopkins, Mayweather, Oscar, Barrera, Calzaghe, Taylor, Kessler, blah blah blah...

Go through that list & count the Americans.

Nuff said.