This is one of the reasons that we do NOT trust the US....

[BoxingCoachBW]

yes.

What Super Middle weights now and then could of beaten them at the weight?



F*** records... F*** how many fights they had... it's their skills people are talking about.

And who is 'we'?...

Calzaghe would play with them so would Kessler - Eubank, Benn and especially Collins would batter them easily.

I would hate to bust your bubble....But none of those guys could take RJJ in his prime if they were to fight him at SMW....

And Toney, NOT even close, Toney was a bad man at SMW, one of the reasons he moved away from the division so fast was because noone wanted to fight him......Plus the big money was in the heavier divisions at the time....

[CutMeMick]

yes.

What Super Middle weights now and then could of beaten them at the weight?



F*** records... F*** how many fights they had... it's their skills people are talking about.

And who is 'we'?...

Calzaghe would play with them so would Kessler - Eubank, Benn and especially Collins would batter them easily.

I would hate to bust your bubble....But none of those guys could take RJJ in his prime if they were to fight him at SMW....

And Toney, NOT even close, Toney was a bad man at SMW, one of the reasons he moved away from the division so fast was because noone wanted to fight him......Plus the big money was in the heavier divisions at the time....

Goos session 'Coach'
cc #53 for that.

[lb4lb]

Not sure why the entire US can't be trusted because RJJ is considered one of the best. True he didn't have many of the boxing skills, but he had blazing speed and amazing reflexes to make up for it. Unfortunately those are the first two things to go as people get older and for that we are witnessing the RJJ that we see now, but that doesn't mean that he wasn't great a SMW.

[_the_answer_]

Not sure why the entire US can't be trusted because RJJ is considered one of the best. True he didn't have many of the boxing skills, but he had blazing speed and amazing reflexes to make up for it. Unfortunately those are the first two things to go as people get older and for that we are witnessing the RJJ that we see now, but that doesn't mean that he wasn't great a SMW.

man he was tremendously skilled
being unorthodox doesnt mean you arent
one great example is RJJ
you call that wicked skills

[Fenster]

how about we look at it another way... and we talk about who took the biggest shit in a particular toilet... roy jones and james toney took some of the biggest shits in the toilet that is the SMW division... they may have only shit once or twice compared to guys that shit in the same toilet hundreds of times... but their shits were still bigger than all the smaller shits.. no?

Shittacular!

[Pantera]

It does not matter how many fights they had at that weight. If this is the weight the experts think they fought best at, than that is good enough reason for me to rank them there.

[Big_Deuce]

EXCUSE ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!....You have been watching boxing what a week now?..........Calzaghe,,,Kessler,,,Benn,,,Eubank would play with them?...
Have you seen James Toney at Super middleweight?........Have you seen Roy Jones at Super Middle?..........If you did and you don't think they are two of the greatest then you are either Joe Calzaghe or no nothing about the sport.........

AND BY THE WAY THE CONCENCIOUS ON JONES AND TONEY BEING TWO OF THE BEST EVER ARE WORLD WIDE!!!!!!!!!!!

EUBANK,KESSLER,CALZAGHE AND BENN BEATING THEM AT SUPER MIDDLEWEIGHT....THA TS A JOKE....

-daxx

yes.

What Super Middle weights now and then could of beaten them at the weight?

Roll Eyes

F*** records... F*** how many fights they had... it's their skills people are talking about.

And who is 'we'?...

-adam

Best 2 comments on the thread (not sayin others werent) but these two comments explain it all.
First, the "experts" were saying at that weight Rjj and JT were untouchable.
THERE WAS A REASON THEY DIDNT FIGHT ALOT AT THAT WEIGHT!!! THERE WAS NO ONE LEFT TO FIGHT!
are they just supposed to stick around in that weight class and beat up on shite fighters? Gimmie a break. who do you want them to be..Joe C

[ICB]

yes.

What Super Middle weights now and then could of beaten them at the weight?



F*** records... F*** how many fights they had... it's their skills people are talking about.

And who is 'we'?...

Calzaghe would play with them so would Kessler - Eubank, Benn and especially Collins would batter them easily.

I would hate to bust your bubble....But none of those guys could take RJJ in his prime if they were to fight him at SMW....

And Toney, NOT even close, Toney was a bad man at SMW, one of the reasons he moved away from the division so fast was because noone wanted to fight him......Plus the big money was in the heavier divisions at the time....

i believe some of them could give toney hell i mean toney did lose prolly 11 rounds or 10 rounds to jones plus toney was getting beat by nunn before he stopped him in 11th hell most people think mccallum derserved atleast 2 out of 3 fights vs toney i think couple of them would give toney hell

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Yeah, Toney was good but his style isnt what it has been since the turn of the century.

IMO Jones n Toney were both struggling to make 168 so no way could they have stuck around anyway.