Pavlik wins by KO round 4

[Purist]

Pantera you say the boy needs to step it up, he is Ranked #2 WBC and #4 WBA in the middleweight division and has not been able to secure a fight with any top level guy. Could it be that guys are staying away because he is not only a guy with power in both hands but can box and always stay composed?

You say step it up already and Miranda is fighting the guy, Willie Gibbs, that Pierre was beating on 2 out of 3 judges scorecards in the 12th round before getting knocked out.

Can you not give him the props he is due??

Pavlik is not moving up at least not yet, he wants the Middleweight World Championship.

How about you give Miranda props for "beating" Artur Abraham. Someone who was considered a "huge" step up?

That whole time out, Dr. Look at the jaw, lets go to the cards stuff that happened is out of Abrahams reach... Now what happened during the 3:00 min. of each rd. is different....
Miranda did not beat Abraham...... Like I said don't mix up the shuffle rd. as I like to call it, with the actual fight (inside those 3:00 min.) Abraham won a very contreversial fight but did enough to win it... In the last rds.

Abraham said he couldn't continue and the ref listened to people in the crowd to change his answer and Abraham shrugged his shoulders like 'fook it' and went out there again

Do you speak German? Were you in the corner and heard him say that? Unless you answer yes to those questions shut the F*** up, thats heresay.

ahhh, Mr Hous.... I was at the fight and have seen it numerous times on DVD. I have stated my feelings about this fight and the fact the IBF, WBO, Ring Magazine, ESPN, HBO, and many other respected writers and organizations agree with my opinion, I think I can not be far off. You may disagree, along with many Euros and Abraham fans, but let's not revisit that discussion...

HOWEVER, don't say things that are untrue. Starr was right on with what happened and you can't argue the point. I had EVERY word translated to me that was spoken in Round 5, and the truth is:
The corner wanted to stop the fight, the Doctor wanted to stop the fight, Abraham wanted to quit and the ref agreed. Wilfred Sauerland was the only man demanding the fight continue. Even after all the craziness, Randy Neumann looked at Abraham and said "OK, we're gonna fight, can you fight?" and Abraham shook his head and said "NO!".

Why the fight wasn't immediately waived off can only make one think the ref was in the pocket of Sauerland. But, whatever the reason, the rest is history and Abraham got the judges vote.

So quit pushing your BS. What I say is all true, and all clearly seen and heard on tape.

Im not a Euro or a abraham fan, hell im not even white. Miranda lost, get over it.

You talked shit to her like you were at the fight yourself and then got shown up by someone actually at the fight.

Truth is Miranda lost. Trust is Abraham quit but they let it continue(and I'm going by what Pantera said because I've only seen rbr's and highlights of the fight)

Was there an investigation of this fight.

Here's the other truth.

because they let Abraham fight on, he won't be fighting again for a long time. Miranda already has another TV fight coming up on hbo. So who got the best of that deal?

And you say you're not an Abraham fan but you stated every instance to prove somebody wrong as if it was fact to insult them. So then what are you? Because you dang sure aint neutral.

Im not neutral? Hmmm Im just not a fan of ignorance because lets all go back to how this started, Star said Abraham lost and Miranda won. I never argued with anyone about who got the better end of the fight because I simply dont give a damn about either fighter. I didnt even know who Abraham or Pantera were until I meet Pantera and some Armenians on another Boxing forum. This fight was hyped but did not deleiver.

Abraham won, if you want to debate that with me so be it. But if you want to talk about their futures im going to ignore you because neither impressed me apart from Abrahams heart.

Fan of ignorance? Yeah if you wanted to debate who won you wouldn't have attacked me for my comment about Abraham quitting with your "Do speak German? Thats heresay? Shut up!" Bullshit

Wow, I do beleive you are truely a moron.

I saw the fight and I didnt see him quit, infact I didnt even see the supposed interractions you speak of. If Abraham had the balls to step into the ring after the 4th, you cant take that away from him. If he wanted to quit trust me he would have quit. Its foolish to say he quit when he obviously finished a 12 round fight. He obviously didnt want to quit.

Funny how you're the only one saying you didn't see him quit. Pantera was AT THE FIGHT!!! boxingtalk was AT THE FIGHT!!! They saw it and they posted about it. And if you still think I'm a moron. LOOK IT UP!!

Anyway...its just funny how you're the ONLY one who didn't see him quit and then want to call it heresay because you didn't catch it but everyone else did

[TyBuff]

Do you speak German? Were you in the corner and heard him say that? Unless you answer yes to those questions shut the F*** up, thats heresay.

After the ref asks Abraham if he wants to fight you can clearly hear him say "no" then somebody outside of the ring starts talking to him and then he turns to the ref and shrugs his shoulders. The ref then asks if he has a mouth piece, then asks him if he is ready to fight and the ref calls time in and they start fighting again. So I would have to say it is not heresay and you need to shut up about it because you are clearly biased about the fight, sc.

How am I biased?

It was either biased or a complete idiot. The facts about that situation are right there and yet you choose to ignore them, so either you are biased about it or a complete idiot. I chose biased because I hate to assume somebody is that ignorant. You obviously scored the fight more in Abrahams favor, I for one had it as a close fight.

[Pantera]

Hous-
Watch the 5th round 'fiasco' again and you can't deny the truth. Abraham wanted to quit, he was talked into fighting from Wilfred Sauerland (you can't see Sauerland in this video, but I was right there and saw it first hand). You also see how bad of a job the ref did in controling the situation. He was there to protect the fighter. He went against the Doctors and fighters opinion and listened to the 'audience' and pushed the fight to continue. Do you think if Miranda was in that situation the ref would have acted that way? Hell no, he would have waived his hands and stopped the fight immediately, as he should.

Here is the link to the stoppage, scan down a little and you will see a link to watch it.

www.warriorsboxing.com

[El Kabong]

Now Abraham probably WANTED to quit but you have to give him respect for staying in there after being mauled like that.





even if he kept running away like a little bitch

[El Kabong]

....but I understand english and Randy Neuman said "He can't fight" right after Mr. Abraham shook his head no as in "No I don't want to fight"

Miranda did a very dumb thing with the headbutt but in no way did that cause the broken jaw....Arthur was hardly throwing any punches in that round BEFORE that happened

[Pantera]

Yea, the only real problem I have with Miranda in the fight was the stupid head butt. I read somewhere the reason he did it was because everytime Abraham was clinching, he was punching Miranda behind the head. He did it to push Abraham away and make a statement that he was not gonna put up with the clinching and hitting. Either way, it was stupid and bad timing. If it was not for that mistake, I think Abraham would have been finished.