Rank the HWs

[El Kabong]

Wlad doesn't mention his name again because Sam BARELY got past James Toney...and hasn't shown that he has improved on ANYTHING Wladimir took advantage of. It's sort of like saying "Why doesn't Wlad rematch Calvin Brock"?

I had Chris Byrd as #1 before Wladimir won his title, and Hasim Rahman #2 before the loss to Oleg Maskaev

Well I guess since you've watched it 6 times you've also seen Wladimir clearly winning the fight everytime as well then






As for you Mr. Bilbo notice I say THE WINNER of the Peter-Toney Rematch....so Sam Peter COULD be #3.....

OR

Sam Peter COULD be #7

I await the fight results....you just have him at #2 just for hell I don't know the reason. There are qualifications that Sam Peter has to meet in order to be rated #3...he's not rated there yet UNLESS he wins vs James Toney.

LordsGym, I'd comment on your 1-10 ratings but I don't think we have enough time

[Lords Gym]

This is how I see it

#1 Wladimir Klitschko ( IBF Champ)
#2 Samuel Peter
#3 James Toney
#4 Evander Holyfield
#5 David Tua
#6 Oleg Maskaev (WBC Champ)
#7 Chazz Witherspoon
#8 Nikolay Valuev ( WBA Champion)
#9 Ruslan Chagaev
#10 Ray Austin
#11 Chris Arreola

Hey Lyle don't be fucking with my list ! My list is solid ! don't be adding Shannon Briggs and Calvin Brock to my shit .. piss off !

[El Kabong]

Ha,

I forgot David Tua did win his last fight....as did Evander Holyfield....too bad they fought some sorry ass fighters

Chagaev, good
Austin, OK

Chris Arreola Above Kirk Johnson?? and above OLIVER MCCALL.....come on....come oooooooon

[Lords Gym]

Ha,

I forgot David Tua did win his last fight....as did Evander Holyfield....too bad they fought some sorry ass fighters

Chagaev, good
Austin, OK

Chris Arreola Above Kirk Johnson?? and above OLIVER MCCALL.....come on....come oooooooon

LOL.. I like what I see in Arreola. He is a busy fighter , I like that in a Heavyweight.. Work rate alone will win you a majority of the matches at Heavyweight. If your willing to let your hands go, you should win.

Oliver Mcall is a good mention.

I caught some of the Ruiz fight on replay. hats off to John for not clinching. John did himself proud, he just came up short vs Chagaev.

[ArawakWarria]

11/20/06

#1 Wlad Klitschko

--at the top only because he KO'd Byrd, who was the longest reigning (& best).
--consistent jab/cross and excellent hook
--I was at the garden for the brock fight and wlad was not impressive at all. ( i know that i'm late, but he held for rouns 3-5, doing no work.)
--Any power puncher with marginal skills will be able to counter his 'jab and hold technique.' What makes me laugh is that the same commentators were criticizing John Ruiz for using the same tactics!

#2 James Toney
--uncrowned WBA champ (steroids charge was trumped from arm medicine)
--draw against WBC champ Rahman
--clearly beat the #2 contender (S.Peter)
--KO'd Evander Holyfield (no rankings, please!) in his FIRST heavyweight fight!
--his size is his only concern, because the speed does alot for his loss of power

#3 Chris Byrd
--only 3 losses to 2 people as a Heavyweight (where are you, Ibeabuchi?)
--dominant as IBF champ for 4 years after Lennox would not fight him
--one of the most talented heavyweights since Larry Holmes
--ranked under Toney b/c of KO loss and inactivity

#4 Shannon Briggs
--only 6 of 48 wins were NOT KO's; only 4 losses in 53 fights
--12 for 12 with 12 KO's since losing to Jameel McCline in 2002
--has the best (and worse) resume of all boxers below him
--can use his power alone to unify the division

#5 Oleg Maskaev*--MAY APPEAR AND BE REMOVED BY A SINGLE LOSS
--only 7 of 33 wins were not KO's
--durable fighter who beat a recognized champion
--resume shows experience runs deep

#6 Sam Peter
--power, Power, POWER!!!
--is a smaller version of Briggs with less boxing skills & accuracy
--needs better competition to challenge him in the ring

#7 Nicolay Valuev
--undefeated in 44 fights is no easy task
--height and power are beneficial
--knows how to close when he hurts an opponent

#8 Lamon Brewster
--still in rankings because he is the last to beat Klitschko
--also tamed a rising Krasniqi with one good punch
--hasn't fought or planned a fight
--will he fight now that his eye is damaged?

#9 Ruslan Chagaev
--undefeated contender
--just beat a game and fighting John Ruiz
--brought up well in his development

#10 Sultan Ibragimov
--Looked strong in his fights before v. Austin
--remains undefeated
--still a contender with an unknown variable

Honorable mentions:

CalvinBrock
--a B-rated fighter
--one of those people who get 3, 4, 5 shots at the title but doesn't quite pull it off.
--he will always be good enough to get into the lower 10 rankings.

Sergei Lyakhovich
--looked great against Brewster & Dominick Guinn
--ok boxing skills; would like to see him against Brock

John Ruiz
--lost a tough decision to Chagaev
--3x champ who always finds a way to win
--can't endure real power punchers & pure boxers

Tony 'the Tiger' Thompson
--the next pure boxer in the HW division
--will give lots of top ten fighters fits
--has trouble with people's power

Sinan Samil Sam
--always in the Intcontinental title mix
--fights & sometimes beats ranked boxers
--would be good to see his contention stateside

Oliver McCall
--one thing--punching power.


David Tua does NOT belong in the rankings until he actually fights...
Hasim Rahman does not belong in the rankings until he finds his ba s again...
Ray Austin does NOT belong in the rankings, period.
Chris Arreola does get a shout, but he is too young. Give him time to settle down.
Chazz Witherspoon... HA~!

FINALLY...
If Evander should be in the top ten after he beat Oquendo, then why wasn't Oquendo in the top ten? Why weren't people calling for Oquendo to be in the top ten? Besides that, he barely squeeked by with a decision...

holla back!

[Klitsfan]

11/20/06

#1 Wlad Klitschko

--at the top only because he KO'd Byrd, who was the longest reigning (& best).
--consistent jab/cross and excellent hook
--I was at the garden for the brock fight and wlad was not impressive at all. ( i know that i'm late, but he held for rouns 3-5, doing no work.)
--Any power puncher with marginal skills will be able to counter his 'jab and hold technique.' What makes me laugh is that the same commentators were criticizing John Ruiz for using the same tactics!

Wladimir has faced a lot of power punchers with skills and proved he can still outbox them.He is never behind in his fights.I dont know where you came up with defining his style as jab and grab.I have seen all of his fights many times over and the only fight where he held was against Peter and even then it was far less than Ruiz and it was a tacticle decision implimented by Stewart.

[El Kabong]

....yeah jab and hold that's EXACTLY how he got 42 KO's in 50 fights


Do you watch boxing?

[Lords Gym]

....yeah jab and hold that's EXACTLY how he got 42 KO's in 50 fights


Do you watch boxing?

Lyle honestly Wlad got most of his 42 ko's from fighting bums ! just look at the record. only recently has he fought decent fighters. He beat Peter after getting off the canvas 3 or 4 times.. via pot shoting, running and holding . the other decent opponents all stopped him inside the distance .. if you can call Ross Purity a decent opponent? seriously Wlad had tons of easy fights . He has improved some but still not a legend like Lewis , Bowe , Holyfield or Tyson

[El Kabong]

No one is saying he is great LordsGym....I believe he's more proven and more legitimate at heavyweight than anyone else out there.

Wladimir fought Ross Purrity when he was 22.....get the fuck over the loss. Most of the current crop of heavyweights weren't even PRO at age 22 much less a gold medal winning heavyweight with a record of 24-1 as a professional.

Wladimir is more scrutinized than any other heavyweight, he's second in all of boxing behind Floyd Mayweather Jr. as the most scrutinized in all of boxing.

No one compares him to Holyfield, Lewis, and Tyson...but if he does unify the titles, I damn sure will come back with the fact Wladimir can get up off the ground to come back and win a fight UNLIKE Mike Tyson and Lennox Lewis

[Lords Gym]

No one is saying he is great LordsGym....I believe he's more proven and more legitimate at heavyweight than anyone else out there.

Wladimir fought Ross Purrity when he was 22.....get the fuck over the loss. Most of the current crop of heavyweights weren't even PRO at age 22 much less a gold medal winning heavyweight with a record of 24-1 as a professional.

Wladimir is more scrutinized than any other heavyweight, he's second in all of boxing behind Floyd Mayweather Jr. as the most scrutinized in all of boxing.

No one compares him to Holyfield, Lewis, and Tyson...but if he does unify the titles, I damn sure will come back with the fact Wladimir can get up off the ground to come back and win a fight UNLIKE Mike Tyson and Lennox Lewis

Wlady has defiantly improved over the years no doubt about that ! great right hand , comes off fast and sharp, and his jab is nice ! those 2 things alone are enough to keep him at the top for awhile anyway .

[El Kabong]

I don't care what anyone says, Wladimir has heart and that's one of his best attributes.

Anyone who was an heir apparent that get's beat BADLY before getting a shot at THE CHAMPION has to have LOADS of heart and determination to climb that ladder and suffer another defeat and KEEP AT IT.

Gerry Cooney couldn't do that....and he's not the only one

[Lords Gym]

I don't care what anyone says, Wladimir has heart and that's one of his best attributes.

Anyone who was an heir apparent that get's beat BADLY before getting a shot at THE CHAMPION has to have LOADS of heart and determination to climb that ladder and suffer another defeat and KEEP AT IT.

Gerry Cooney couldn't do that....and he's not the only one

Your right ! It's how a person handles himself after getting his ass beat that determines his worth. .. the shit birds fold tent. the great ones rise to the occasion chalk the loss up as a learning experience and then move on. I always say if you aint got a loss on your record, you aint fought nobody. for the most part that statement holds true. rare exceptions like Mayweather and Hatton. I shouldn’t be talking ugly, I've had my ass handed to me on more then one occasion.

[El Kabong]

...we all have, and it's the ability to hop back up and try again that seperates the men from the boys.

cc LG

[Lords Gym]

...we all have, and it's the ability to hop back up and try again that seperates the men from the boys.

cc LG

CC back in 24

[Jody Lane]

Well he beat the longest reigning champ by TKO when he won his title he had his first defense vs an undefeated fighter and won by TKO....I don't see any other title holders doing that

True Lyle. I am just saying that, as Wlad himself has said, I am not ready to call him "The" champ yet. I would like to see him beat the other champions first. Then I would like him to get the Ring championship belt and throw the others in the trash.