joe louis vs (prime) mike tyson

[Scrap]

I like how you did that even though its not the whole picture cc

[SEB]

I think some people tend to forget how good was our Joe Louis, he was a really really tough fighter complete boxer who was able to trade and had a really good punch. Hell Britkid could come out of his grave for denying Joe Louis that much ^^

Everyone seems to have a picture of him in these black and white movies...don't forget that Joe louis was tough, he worked long hours in a period of time where work was very painful to the body. He went to the gym and trained with the training methods of these years. A Joe louis of this era...would be a man doing pumping irons, dietetics training, improving boxing technics and so on....he would be then a lot stronger (ok I'm only speculate) but I like to take that into account...

Tyson is an all time great, sure, but he would have had many difficulties again Joe louis, Louis was tough and If I can see Tyson landing many combo during the 6 first rounds, I can see that Joe louis would trade and land strong jad or one two to tyson head...that after round six, I can see Joe louis trading big time against tyson the two being rocked several time.

Still Tyson bu UD I think in a very brutal war. Joe Louis being rocked many times in the fight and refusing to be KO'ed.

I Know, I'm a original ^^

[El Kabong]

Exactly SEB! CC

Joe Louis and the fighters of his era and before fought 15 rounders...and he carried his power for 15 rounds....Mike Tyson KO'd ONE fighter in the 10th round and he should have had him out of there a lot earlier!

Joe Louis KO'd guys in the 13th round!

As far as Tyson jumping on Joe right away.....do you think Tyson invented that? Was he the first person ever to do that? He might have been very good at it but Joe Louis was EXTREMELY good at winning!

People like Tyson because of the first round KO's but it's so easy to forget how bad Joe Louis busted Max Shmelling up so bad in their rematch....Tyson never did that to anyone!




I still don't see Tyson winning, especially a UD, he quits around round 7 vs anyone good

[RozzySean]

A PRIME Tyson on his night, runs right through any heavyweight in history IMO. I really think he was unstoppable.

im not going start another debate but he was not unstoppable nowhere near it and that showed against james tillis + tony tucker + buster douglas

You haven't mentioned any fighters who have fought Prime Tyson except Tony Tucker... He easily mowed through Tillis, and Tucker was knocked around virtually ever round. The Tyson that fought Holyfield stopped using his head movement, and combination punches, he just came in with one punch and allowed Holyfield to counter him... same with the Tyson that fought Lewis and so on... When he fought Holmes who still had good footwork, and as deadly a jab as ever he easily avoided it, and he countered effectively... I say he beats Louis in 6 or less.

He "easily mowed through Tillis"? Tillis took 3 rounds out of 10. Holmes, old, over the hill Holmes? His jab was as deadly as ever? Wow.

[Scrap]

Thanks for that Sean, I was starting to think Alzimers was starting to set in cc

[X]

Tyson was a force of nature in the 80's, he was a good trainer (just at the end of the Witherspoon, Tubbs etc fat guys era), he was mean and ruthless with great hanspeed, a deceptively good defence and excellent power. He intimidated his opponents before they even got into the ring. We all say his prime was short, but don't forget the guy has been around for about 20 years now!!!

It was later that he lost his head movement, didn't throw combinations and was always looking for the one-punch knockout. Only later did he ever really 'quit' fights because his heart was not in the sport anymore. Tyson's tragedy is that he was always a needy person who ended up being let down by everyone he ever trusted, and eventually began to hate the very thing that brought him fame and fortune.

Louis, however, was the complete fighting machine. he had an awesome jab, very solid technical skills, a good chin (but poor balance) - he was always in good shape as he was THE model pro. He had one of the very best trainers in 'Chappie' Blackburn (who had fought over 300 fights himself). Louis threw short, murderous combinations in which every punch was a power shot that never travelled more than a few inches. 50 years before Iron Mike, Louis used to win many fights before they started as his opponents saw him as a machine that would break them up. 25 successful undisputed world title defences in an era when there were some REALLY tough men about. Louis was an idol to an entire generation of people, and a not insignificant political and social phenomenom 30 years before Ali.

I imagine this to be truly the fight of the ages - huge buildup and hype (though, it has to be said, not as much as Louis - Schmeling). Tyson comes out like a freight train in the first round and throws himself at Louis in an all-out blitz reminiscent of the young Dempsey. Louis could box with the best of them and covers up expertly, but he is clearly taken aback by the ferocity of the attack. Tyso connects with a couple of haymakers but cannot land consistent combinations and Louis's excellent powers of recuperation keep him upright, though he is staggered on occasion. Unlike most Tyson, opponents, Louis does not retreat, but moves close to Tyson to clinch (a tactic used successfully by Evander Holyfield, and something that Louis did naturally through his career)

Tyson sweeps the first three rounds, and then begins to temper his assault when he sees Louis will not be blown away like so many of Iron Mike's victims. Once this happens, Louis begins to utilise his ramrod jab and shuffles forward, closing down Tyson's space. Mike likes to initiate the exchanges and Louis begins to time him and take the tempo away. Three more rounds pass, two immovable objects colliding in the centre of the ring and some of the exchanges are messy, dissolving into clinches and mauling.

By the seventh, Louis' accuracy has swollen Tyson's left eye badly. Mike is still dangerous and scores a flash knockdown in the eighth, but it is becoming apparent that the all-out assualt he mounted in the first round took a heavy toll on his stamina. Louis begins to stalk forward, remorselessly busting Tyson up.

Oveer the next three rounds, Tyson takes a steady and ruthless beating, demonstrating his courage and the quality of his chin. If they had fought in the thirties, the fight would have continued, but a barrage of short, vicious punches, finished off with a right uppercut puts Tyson on the canvas in the 10th. battered and bruised, he tries to rise, but the referee shows some mercy and calls the fight off in 2.08 of the round.

A top fight, entertaining, see-saw and action packed at the start and the end.

[Kev]

Tyson was a force of nature in the 80's, he was a good trainer (just at the end of the Witherspoon, Tubbs etc fat guys era), he was mean and ruthless with great hanspeed, a deceptively good defence and excellent power. He intimidated his opponents before they even got into the ring. We all say his prime was short, but don't forget the guy has been around for about 20 years now!!!

It was later that he lost his head movement, didn't throw combinations and was always looking for the one-punch knockout. Only later did he ever really 'quit' fights because his heart was not in the sport anymore. Tyson's tragedy is that he was always a needy person who ended up being let down by everyone he ever trusted, and eventually began to hate the very thing that brought him fame and fortune.

Louis, however, was the complete fighting machine. he had an awesome jab, very solid technical skills, a good chin (but poor balance) - he was always in good shape as he was THE model pro. He had one of the very best trainers in 'Chappie' Blackburn (who had fought over 300 fights himself). Louis threw short, murderous combinations in which every punch was a power shot that never travelled more than a few inches. 50 years before Iron Mike, Louis used to win many fights before they started as his opponents saw him as a machine that would break them up. 25 successful undisputed world title defences in an era when there were some REALLY tough men about. Louis was an idol to an entire generation of people, and a not insignificant political and social phenomenom 30 years before Ali.

I imagine this to be truly the fight of the ages - huge buildup and hype (though, it has to be said, not as much as Louis - Schmeling). Tyson comes out like a freight train in the first round and throws himself at Louis in an all-out blitz reminiscent of the young Dempsey. Louis could box with the best of them and covers up expertly, but he is clearly taken aback by the ferocity of the attack. Tyso connects with a couple of haymakers but cannot land consistent combinations and Louis's excellent powers of recuperation keep him upright, though he is staggered on occasion. Unlike most Tyson, opponents, Louis does not retreat, but moves close to Tyson to clinch (a tactic used successfully by Evander Holyfield, and something that Louis did naturally through his career)

Tyson sweeps the first three rounds, and then begins to temper his assault when he sees Louis will not be blown away like so many of Iron Mike's victims. Once this happens, Louis begins to utilise his ramrod jab and shuffles forward, closing down Tyson's space. Mike likes to initiate the exchanges and Louis begins to time him and take the tempo away. Three more rounds pass, two immovable objects colliding in the centre of the ring and some of the exchanges are messy, dissolving into clinches and mauling.

By the seventh, Louis' accuracy has swollen Tyson's left eye badly. Mike is still dangerous and scores a flash knockdown in the eighth, but it is becoming apparent that the all-out assualt he mounted in the first round took a heavy toll on his stamina. Louis begins to stalk forward, remorselessly busting Tyson up.

Oveer the next three rounds, Tyson takes a steady and ruthless beating, demonstrating his courage and the quality of his chin. If they had fought in the thirties, the fight would have continued, but a barrage of short, vicious punches, finished off with a right uppercut puts Tyson on the canvas in the 10th. battered and bruised, he tries to rise, but the referee shows some mercy and calls the fight off in 2.08 of the round.

A top fight, entertaining, see-saw and action packed at the start and the end.

for a vivid imagination

I think this fight would be a close call. It's interesting to note however that Tyson might have actually been more intimidated by Joe Louis than the other way around.

Tyson has spoken in interviews about how he regarded Joe Louis as the greatest heavyweight of all time and that he was his boyhood idol. He felt Louis could beat anybody.

I think if that fight could have taken place Tyson would have come in very unsure of himself.

[X]

Yes, I think that there have been a few fighters who may have intimidated Tyson - Louis, definitely, but also Liston and young Foreman. Frazier would not have been afraid of him, nor would Dempsey or marciano.

It's a moot point to argue whether Tyson would have been slightly intimidated by anyone who was not frightend of him?

[stavros693000]

Yes, I think that there have been a few fighters who may have intimidated Tyson - Louis, definitely, but also Liston and young Foreman. Frazier would not have been afraid of him, nor would Dempsey or marciano.

It's a moot point to argue whether Tyson would have been slightly intimidated by anyone who was not frightend of him?

theres a lot of truth in what u say , but about the fight tactics used by louis, isnt constent clinching a foul? holyfeild was/is a great warrior, but the ref did not pull him up about all the holding, every time they got in close holy would clinch...this is the only way evander could win,if he didnt use this illegal tactic, mike would have KO him , i mean look what happened in the fifth when holyfield forgot to tie tyson up on the inside!

[SEB]

With the UD I was thinking about the fact that Tyson would have had the better of Joe during the first 6-7 rounds...but as fron round 8 I think Joe Louis would have given an HELL of a fight to Mike...still in a 12 rounder, Tyson winning thanks to his exeptional defense and peek a boo style surviving huge punches...

after the 12 rounds, Journalist and fans would argue that in a 15 rounds Tyson would have been beaten ^^

Tyson fans Overrate Tyson quite a bit
Tyson Haters underrate Tyson really too much

[Taeth]

Tysonwas 223 when he fought SPinks, and he was like three inches or more shorter than Joe which was all muscle.

[Jody Lane]

A PRIME Tyson on his night, runs right through any heavyweight in history IMO. I really think he was unstoppable.

im not going start another debate but he was not unstoppable nowhere near it and that showed against james tillis + tony tucker + buster douglas

I am glad someone else has the same thoughts I do about Tyson's supposed invincibility. Have a CC.

[ICB]

A PRIME Tyson on his night, runs right through any heavyweight in history IMO. I really think he was unstoppable.

im not going start another debate but he was not unstoppable nowhere near it and that showed against james tillis + tony tucker + buster douglas

I am glad someone else has the same thoughts I do about Tyson's supposed invincibility. Have a CC.

thanks mate cc back

[landmine950]

Tyson was a force of nature in the 80's, he was a good trainer (just at the end of the Witherspoon, Tubbs etc fat guys era), he was mean and ruthless with great hanspeed, a deceptively good defence and excellent power. He intimidated his opponents before they even got into the ring. We all say his prime was short, but don't forget the guy has been around for about 20 years now!!!

It was later that he lost his head movement, didn't throw combinations and was always looking for the one-punch knockout. Only later did he ever really 'quit' fights because his heart was not in the sport anymore. Tyson's tragedy is that he was always a needy person who ended up being let down by everyone he ever trusted, and eventually began to hate the very thing that brought him fame and fortune.

Louis, however, was the complete fighting machine. he had an awesome jab, very solid technical skills, a good chin (but poor balance) - he was always in good shape as he was THE model pro. He had one of the very best trainers in 'Chappie' Blackburn (who had fought over 300 fights himself). Louis threw short, murderous combinations in which every punch was a power shot that never travelled more than a few inches. 50 years before Iron Mike, Louis used to win many fights before they started as his opponents saw him as a machine that would break them up. 25 successful undisputed world title defences in an era when there were some REALLY tough men about. Louis was an idol to an entire generation of people, and a not insignificant political and social phenomenom 30 years before Ali.

I imagine this to be truly the fight of the ages - huge buildup and hype (though, it has to be said, not as much as Louis - Schmeling). Tyson comes out like a freight train in the first round and throws himself at Louis in an all-out blitz reminiscent of the young Dempsey. Louis could box with the best of them and covers up expertly, but he is clearly taken aback by the ferocity of the attack. Tyso connects with a couple of haymakers but cannot land consistent combinations and Louis's excellent powers of recuperation keep him upright, though he is staggered on occasion. Unlike most Tyson, opponents, Louis does not retreat, but moves close to Tyson to clinch (a tactic used successfully by Evander Holyfield, and something that Louis did naturally through his career)

Tyson sweeps the first three rounds, and then begins to temper his assault when he sees Louis will not be blown away like so many of Iron Mike's victims. Once this happens, Louis begins to utilise his ramrod jab and shuffles forward, closing down Tyson's space. Mike likes to initiate the exchanges and Louis begins to time him and take the tempo away. Three more rounds pass, two immovable objects colliding in the centre of the ring and some of the exchanges are messy, dissolving into clinches and mauling.

By the seventh, Louis' accuracy has swollen Tyson's left eye badly. Mike is still dangerous and scores a flash knockdown in the eighth, but it is becoming apparent that the all-out assualt he mounted in the first round took a heavy toll on his stamina. Louis begins to stalk forward, remorselessly busting Tyson up.

Oveer the next three rounds, Tyson takes a steady and ruthless beating, demonstrating his courage and the quality of his chin. If they had fought in the thirties, the fight would have continued, but a barrage of short, vicious punches, finished off with a right uppercut puts Tyson on the canvas in the 10th. battered and bruised, he tries to rise, but the referee shows some mercy and calls the fight off in 2.08 of the round.

A top fight, entertaining, see-saw and action packed at the start and the end.

i think your analogy is perfect....except that in the first round the hook upper cut from the crouch position is a punch no one has ever seen b4. it connects on louis and he get knock down and is hurt BAD! like berbick. Gets up only to be swarmed by tyson who lands an even more visious right hook that snaps joes head around so that he can look behind himself for the rest of his life while riding a bike. Joe retires but has a lot of great fights to
"LOOK BACK ON!!"

[Lords Gym]

Mike Tyson in his prime would have destroyed Louis.. Louis was hittable ,and Tyson could crack that whip at 216 lbs, Tyson would have been bigger and stronger, and faster. Mike was one of the most devastating fighters in the history of boxing. Mike's prime was very short. 2 maybe 3 years, but you can't help but respect that speed , power, balance and leverage with which Tyson throw his punches. ! Mike had instincts and reflexes like a cat.. With Cuz and company Mike was a finally tuned machine, its only after he lost his mentor Cuz ( the source of his discipline ) that Mike started his downward spiral ... remember that even a Ferrari without proper maintenance goes to shit fairly quick !