Winky: they're still ducking me

[amat]

Although....Taylor isn't ducking him. Wink won the fight though.

[Scrap]

Lords , dont agree its about hitting the other guy with force more than hes hitting you. Dictating the flow of the fight, who has the skill whether it be the attacking fighter or the defensive one.

[amat]

About the first fight, I've posted tons of times about it in length but imo it comes down to ring generalship. Defense, punch effectiveness and ring generalship make up the scoring of a fight. IMO, Winky won the fight because he wasn't hit to often, and he controlled how the fight was fought from both ends.

[Lords Gym]

Lords , dont agree its about hitting the other guy with force more than hes hitting you. Dictating the flow of the fight, who has the skill whether it be the attacking fighter or the defensive one.

I hear what your saying. but I prefers the aggressor in a fight. the guy forcing the action. the guy taking chances to win. if your throwing punches and the other guys is just catching ( Defense) During those exchanges I would vote for the guy throwing . anyone can get into what I call "sparring partner defense mode " and go 12 rounds . If you really stop and think about it .. The guy making the fight, is the guy willing to press the action and take chances . because without that guy, there is no fight.

Cool Click in 24, I always enjoy your perspective !

[Scrap]

I agree on that point, hes the guy putting bums on seats, but there has to be a line drawn. Or we go down the road of less skill because we dont encourage it.

[Lords Gym]

I agree on that point, hes the guy putting bums on seats, but there has to be a line drawn. Or we go down the road of less skill because we dont encourage it.

Good point !

I think the key to a great fighter is to be “skillfully aggressive“ . via Trinidad, Delahoya, , J C Chavez. Kostya Tszyu. ect. Defense is important no doubt , but its secondary to offense hence the term ( Hit and not get hit ) Hit being the first word in the phrase... to many fighter now days are all about " don't get hit and hit only when its safe". ( makes for a horrible watch) and hurts the sport.

To me a fighter willing to take chances. whom is able to slip punches as he is barring down on his opponent. Is what makes boxing a great sport to watch, and keeps the fan thrilled and enticed to keep watching

[Scrap]

Your not wrong

[gyrokai]

This one 4 time golden gloves guy, he hated Winky's defense with what he called,
"just sticking your arms in front of your face and taking the punches."

I laughed, because I thought I was the only one who thought Winky's defense...
... well I don't like it. haha

Certainly doesn't have to look of a beautiful slip of the punches,
or MANY other ways to defend.

And I'm almost certain someone's gonna get offended by this.

I thought the fight was close, with neither fighter taking the victory near the end.

[Taeth]

Jermain's people did not want him to fight Winky immediately however Taylor wanted to fight Winky again... about Winky losing to Quartey ... no way, and HE DID NOT lose to Jermain hence he deserves 50/50 in the next fight considering almost everyone thought he won... His record should be 52-0-1

Vazquez beat his a**, Simon out worked him and Vargas barely hung on to win. Wright losses are legit losses.

Have you seen the fights? Simon didn't beat him.. I would put the Vazquez fight as a draw consider he won almost every round. And Vargas did not beat him at all.

[Taeth]

Lords , dont agree its about hitting the other guy with force more than hes hitting you. Dictating the flow of the fight, who has the skill whether it be the attacking fighter or the defensive one.

I hear what your saying. but I prefers the aggressor in a fight. the guy forcing the action. the guy taking chances to win. if your throwing punches and the other guys is just catching ( Defense) During those exchanges I would vote for the guy throwing . anyone can get into what I call "sparring partner defense mode " and go 12 rounds . If you really stop and think about it .. The guy making the fight, is the guy willing to press the action and take chances . because without that guy, there is no fight.

Cool Click in 24, I always enjoy your perspective !

Winky does bring the fight to his opponent watch him against Vargas, Mosley, Taylor... he brings the fight all of them.

[Taeth]

This one 4 time golden gloves guy, he hated Winky's defense with what he called,
"just sticking your arms in front of your face and taking the punches."

I laughed, because I thought I was the only one who thought Winky's defense...
... well I don't like it. haha

Certainly doesn't have to look of a beautiful slip of the punches,
or MANY other ways to defend.

And I'm almost certain someone's gonna get offended by this.

I thought the fight was close, with neither fighter taking the victory near the end.

I'm not offended but I disagree... when people are hitting him one the gloves he keeps his arms strong and there isn't much force against hitting him... THe problem with his D is that he seems to only block the front of his face, and hook seem to get in behind his guard, but as I was saying getting hit on the glove is ten times easier than getting hit in the head or anywhere else, and you can block the punches pretty well.

[Purist]

Winky should beat Quartey.

But Winky's defense is some of the best in boxing. What's the difference if Winky has his hands in front of his face or on his side. Isn't a blocked punch a blocked punch regardless of where your hands are?

Sure Jermain was throwing more but he was throwing more in order to stop Winky's forward progress because who was pressing the fight? It sure as hell wasn't Jermain who fought off his backfoot for most of the night. And Winky was pressing the fight effectively taking shots on the gloves and firing counters through Jermain's defense.

There's aggressiveness and then there's effective aggressiveness. Jermain was aggressive and active, but he was neither more effective then Wright. And effectiveness matters. Or do we have to talk about Jermain's defense of backing into a corner and letting Wright hit him 10 times before deciding to fire back?

[tuckwopat]

Taylor's from Arkansas, but it was technically a hometown fight, since the main reason it was held in Memphis was to draw Taylor fans from Arkansas, the Arkansas border being right across the river from Memphis.

For example, Gatti's not from A.C., but he lives and trains in Jersey, so for all intents and purposes A.C. is his fighting hometown.

Taylor was the "house" fighter, that might be the best way of putting it. Anyway, I had the fight a draw, so I don't think the judges were unfairly swayed in any direction. If Winky didn't like the decision, then he shouldn't have fought the 12th round like he did.

Yeah, I know the distance. I'm a fart away from Memphis. The idea that was stated was that Taylor couldn't get a decision in his hometown. Little Rock is about 150 miles from Memphis, not to mention that the judges are from all over the place.

I bet anything that Winky had as many fans at that fight as Taylor did. Plenty of people are still bitter that Jermaine took the W's over B-Hop. Hell, he caught plenty of sh*t talk in his hometown.

[Pugilistic]

Winky was effective in making Jermain look like Popeye

lol CC for that

[Lords Gym]

Lords , dont agree its about hitting the other guy with force more than hes hitting you. Dictating the flow of the fight, who has the skill whether it be the attacking fighter or the defensive one.

I hear what your saying. but I prefers the aggressor in a fight. the guy forcing the action. the guy taking chances to win. if your throwing punches and the other guys is just catching ( Defense) During those exchanges I would vote for the guy throwing . anyone can get into what I call "sparring partner defense mode " and go 12 rounds . If you really stop and think about it .. The guy making the fight, is the guy willing to press the action and take chances . because without that guy, there is no fight.

Cool Click in 24, I always enjoy your perspective !

Winky does bring the fight to his opponent watch him against Vargas, Mosley, Taylor... he brings the fight all of them.

Scrap and I were just talking about styles in general .. But your right I have seen Winky do magical things. .. vs- Trinidad for instance. but Wink was not as impressive vs Taylor in my opinion, Wink was much more a sit and wait type of fighter in that fight. .