I say a prime Iran Barkley at 160 woulda kicked Taylor's ass how bout yall?

[Realitycheck77]

Saying Ray Leonard was not half the boxer Roy Jones is shows how you favor Roy Jones. Ray Leonard is one of the top 5-10 pound for pound boxers of all time. Roy is not near that and Roy never had a great fight and you cannot tell me he did. That is the problem with Roy Jones Jr. He wanted to win the fights but not excite the crowd, and not having that great fight in his resume will mean that in 10 years people will mention him and then move on. No clips and not much to talk about. Who cares if a guy puts both hands behind his back against lower quality opposition. I would rather have seen Jones give us a great fight and taking on better quality than that Frazier guy or Harding. That is why a guy like Oscar Delahoya will go down better than Roy. He fought the best guys he could and he has them on his resume. So does Hearns. Roy fought alot of contenders, but never wanted the big challenge. Roy won his titles legit? Ruiz was a case of handpicking a heavyweight who was slow and predictable. Roy was not usually hit with his hit and run tactic, so if a heavyweight was going to hit Roy and stop him, it would not be Ruiz.. Ruiz gave Toney and Jones the chance to be heavyweight champions. Saying Ruiz is a champion to me is a stretch when you got guys like Holmes who had held that title. Roy was a good fighter who near wanted to fight the cream of the crop and found ways out of fighting them by overpricing himself and making excuses, but then he would fight lower tier guys and put both hands behind his back. I was never impressed. Hearns knocking out Duran was impressive. Hagler stopping Hearns was impressive. Jones going the distance with Gonzales was not.

Well said, I agree with you thoughts on Roy Jones Jnr and his legacy, plesae accept a cool click for that, I posted the below on another topic and it's along the same sort of lines.

Interesting, considering Hagler done his work at Middleweight and Jones Jnr moved up to … well eventually Heavyweight it’s as I say interesting.

But no, I’m confident Hagler would beat Jones Jnr and it would go to points.

Consider this, Jones didn’t really lose an awful lot of speed as he moved up the weight divisions but at the same time his power didn’t increase much either. Based on these two meeting at Middleweight you would have to say Jones would be lightning quick and would utilise his power best at this sort of weight, but I’ve always said it and I’ll say it again – I think Jones is an incredible fighter and one of the best in the modern generation, but not an all time great,

I think his fight against Ruiz goes along way to summing up his career, he fought a very average fighter and looked fantastic beating him and won the WBA Heavyweight belt.

He’s never fought anybody of the calibre of Hagler, yes he fought Toney but he’s not in the same league as Hagler, the only real name is Hopkins, but that’s not enough because Hopkins is like a fine wine, he got better with age.

So I have to go with Hagler UD over 15 rounds and close decision over 12 rounds.

[ICB]

Saying Ray Leonard was not half the boxer Roy Jones is shows how you favor Roy Jones. Ray Leonard is one of the top 5-10 pound for pound boxers of all time. Roy is not near that and Roy never had a great fight and you cannot tell me he did. That is the problem with Roy Jones Jr. He wanted to win the fights but not excite the crowd, and not having that great fight in his resume will mean that in 10 years people will mention him and then move on. No clips and not much to talk about. Who cares if a guy puts both hands behind his back against lower quality opposition. I would rather have seen Jones give us a great fight and taking on better quality than that Frazier guy or Harding. That is why a guy like Oscar Delahoya will go down better than Roy. He fought the best guys he could and he has them on his resume. So does Hearns. Roy fought alot of contenders, but never wanted the big challenge. Roy won his titles legit? Ruiz was a case of handpicking a heavyweight who was slow and predictable. Roy was not usually hit with his hit and run tactic, so if a heavyweight was going to hit Roy and stop him, it would not be Ruiz.. Ruiz gave Toney and Jones the chance to be heavyweight champions. Saying Ruiz is a champion to me is a stretch when you got guys like Holmes who had held that title. Roy was a good fighter who near wanted to fight the cream of the crop and found ways out of fighting them by overpricing himself and making excuses, but then he would fight lower tier guys and put both hands behind his back. I was never impressed. Hearns knocking out Duran was impressive. Hagler stopping Hearns was impressive. Jones going the distance with Gonzales was not.

Well said, I agree with you thoughts on Roy Jones Jnr and his legacy, plesae accept a cool click for that, I posted the below on another topic and it's along the same sort of lines.

Interesting, considering Hagler done his work at Middleweight and Jones Jnr moved up to … well eventually Heavyweight it’s as I say interesting.

But no, I’m confident Hagler would beat Jones Jnr and it would go to points.

Consider this, Jones didn’t really lose an awful lot of speed as he moved up the weight divisions but at the same time his power didn’t increase much either. Based on these two meeting at Middleweight you would have to say Jones would be lightning quick and would utilise his power best at this sort of weight, but I’ve always said it and I’ll say it again – I think Jones is an incredible fighter and one of the best in the modern generation, but not an all time great,

I think his fight against Ruiz goes along way to summing up his career, he fought a very average fighter and looked fantastic beating him and won the WBA Heavyweight belt.

He’s never fought anybody of the calibre of Hagler, yes he fought Toney but he’s not in the same league as Hagler, the only real name is Hopkins, but that’s not enough because Hopkins is like a fine wine, he got better with age.

So I have to go with Hagler UD over 15 rounds and close decision over 12 rounds.

virgil hill and montel griffin reggie johnson ?? who floored toney and lost close decision 3 good fighters right there roy jones fought quality opps maybe sometimes might not of been the best but name me one boxer who fought great fighter in every title defence except ali of course :P

plus out of 51 fights reggie johnson was never dominated even in his decision losses they were all pretty close only man to dominate him was roy jones i think people forget roy jones did fight quite alot of quality opps hell even clinton woods was good name on his record aswell

[X]

Saying Ray Leonard was not half the boxer Roy Jones is shows how you favor Roy Jones. Ray Leonard is one of the top 5-10 pound for pound boxers of all time. Roy is not near that and Roy never had a great fight and you cannot tell me he did. That is the problem with Roy Jones Jr. He wanted to win the fights but not excite the crowd, and not having that great fight in his resume will mean that in 10 years people will mention him and then move on. No clips and not much to talk about. Who cares if a guy puts both hands behind his back against lower quality opposition. I would rather have seen Jones give us a great fight and taking on better quality than that Frazier guy or Harding. That is why a guy like Oscar Delahoya will go down better than Roy. He fought the best guys he could and he has them on his resume. So does Hearns. Roy fought alot of contenders, but never wanted the big challenge. Roy won his titles legit? Ruiz was a case of handpicking a heavyweight who was slow and predictable. Roy was not usually hit with his hit and run tactic, so if a heavyweight was going to hit Roy and stop him, it would not be Ruiz.. Ruiz gave Toney and Jones the chance to be heavyweight champions. Saying Ruiz is a champion to me is a stretch when you got guys like Holmes who had held that title. Roy was a good fighter who near wanted to fight the cream of the crop and found ways out of fighting them by overpricing himself and making excuses, but then he would fight lower tier guys and put both hands behind his back. I was never impressed. Hearns knocking out Duran was impressive. Hagler stopping Hearns was impressive. Jones going the distance with Gonzales was not.

My sentiments exactly.

Have a Christmas coolclick

[Hulk]

Saying Ray Leonard was not half the boxer Roy Jones is shows how you favor Roy Jones. Ray Leonard is one of the top 5-10 pound for pound boxers of all time. Roy is not near that and Roy never had a great fight and you cannot tell me he did. That is the problem with Roy Jones Jr. He wanted to win the fights but not excite the crowd, and not having that great fight in his resume will mean that in 10 years people will mention him and then move on. No clips and not much to talk about. Who cares if a guy puts both hands behind his back against lower quality opposition. I would rather have seen Jones give us a great fight and taking on better quality than that Frazier guy or Harding. That is why a guy like Oscar Delahoya will go down better than Roy. He fought the best guys he could and he has them on his resume. So does Hearns. Roy fought alot of contenders, but never wanted the big challenge. Roy won his titles legit? Ruiz was a case of handpicking a heavyweight who was slow and predictable. Roy was not usually hit with his hit and run tactic, so if a heavyweight was going to hit Roy and stop him, it would not be Ruiz.. Ruiz gave Toney and Jones the chance to be heavyweight champions. Saying Ruiz is a champion to me is a stretch when you got guys like Holmes who had held that title. Roy was a good fighter who near wanted to fight the cream of the crop and found ways out of fighting them by overpricing himself and making excuses, but then he would fight lower tier guys and put both hands behind his back. I was never impressed. Hearns knocking out Duran was impressive. Hagler stopping Hearns was impressive. Jones going the distance with Gonzales was not.

Well said, I agree with you thoughts on Roy Jones Jnr and his legacy, plesae accept a cool click for that, I posted the below on another topic and it's along the same sort of lines.

Interesting, considering Hagler done his work at Middleweight and Jones Jnr moved up to … well eventually Heavyweight it’s as I say interesting.

But no, I’m confident Hagler would beat Jones Jnr and it would go to points.

Consider this, Jones didn’t really lose an awful lot of speed as he moved up the weight divisions but at the same time his power didn’t increase much either. Based on these two meeting at Middleweight you would have to say Jones would be lightning quick and would utilise his power best at this sort of weight, but I’ve always said it and I’ll say it again – I think Jones is an incredible fighter and one of the best in the modern generation, but not an all time great,

I think his fight against Ruiz goes along way to summing up his career, he fought a very average fighter and looked fantastic beating him and won the WBA Heavyweight belt.

He’s never fought anybody of the calibre of Hagler, yes he fought Toney but he’s not in the same league as Hagler, the only real name is Hopkins, but that’s not enough because Hopkins is like a fine wine, he got better with age.

So I have to go with Hagler UD over 15 rounds and close decision over 12 rounds.

virgil hill and montel griffin reggie johnson ?? who floored toney and lost close decision 3 good fighters right there roy jones fought quality opps maybe sometimes might not of been the best but name me one boxer who fought great fighter in every title defence except ali of course :P

plus out of 51 fights reggie johnson was never dominated even in his decision losses they were all pretty close only man to dominate him was roy jones i think people forget roy jones did fight quite alot of quality opps hell even clinton woods was good name on his record aswell

Forget it, its just stupid haters, hatin on Roy as usual. Jones woulda embaressed Leonard before knocking him out. Did Roy ever get a gift decision, or ever need to? Nope. Did Ray? Yeah, on more than one occassion. Jones dominated James Toney who is as good as anyone SRL ever faced IMO, with the possible exception of a prime Duran. This thread ain't bout Jones, anyhow, but you guys seem to insist on making it about him. He was the greatest boxer P4P ever IMO.

[LegendBoxing65]

Forget it, its just stupid haters, hatin on Roy as usual. Jones woulda embaressed Leonard before knocking him out. Did Roy ever get a gift decision, or ever need to? Nope. Did Ray? Yeah, on more than one occassion. Jones dominated James Toney who is as good as anyone SRL ever faced IMO, with the possible exception of a prime Duran. This thread ain't bout Jones, anyhow, but you guys seem to insist on making it about him. He was the greatest boxer P4P ever IMO.
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James Toney might be as good as Hearns and Leonard and Duran and Hagler. But the one thing he lacked which they seemed to have was discipline. So everytime James fights he is either in shape or he isn't and we are supposed to give him excuses when he is not in shape and the excuses work. Actually Duran sometimes gets excuses for being in shape or not. James is as good as those 4 guys I think when he is in shape. But with Jones he was not in shape, which is not Jones fault. But that aside, whether Jones is as good as Hearns and Hagler and Leonard and Duran, he does not have the fights against other great fighters those guys do and the signifies greatness. Hearns and his 3 buddies in the 80s have the fights to showcase the talent. Jones does not.. A few Toney's and Hopkins here and there yet with asteriks like Hopkins was not a great fighter when he fought him, and Hill was over the Hill when he fought him, and Toney was weakened. Those other guys were in events. That is my point. Events mean something, Jones was in fights, but not the epic fights they had. That is why ALi's era and SRL era is so remembered. And to say Jones would knock out Ray Leonard is ridiculous. What SRL are we talking about? The one in 1981 or the one in 1990? 1990 SRL vs the 1996 Roy Jones he would lose to Roy I am sure. But prime vs prime SRL vs Roy and I think SRL wins the fight by stoppage or UD.

[Hulk]

Forget it, its just stupid haters, hatin on Roy as usual. Jones woulda embaressed Leonard before knocking him out. Did Roy ever get a gift decision, or ever need to? Nope. Did Ray? Yeah, on more than one occassion. Jones dominated James Toney who is as good as anyone SRL ever faced IMO, with the possible exception of a prime Duran. This thread ain't bout Jones, anyhow, but you guys seem to insist on making it about him. He was the greatest boxer P4P ever IMO.

James Toney might be as good as Hearns and Leonard and Duran and Hagler. But the one thing he lacked which they seemed to have was discipline. So everytime James fights he is either in shape or he isn't and we are supposed to give him excuses when he is not in shape and the excuses work. Actually Duran sometimes gets excuses for being in shape or not. James is as good as those 4 guys I think when he is in shape. But with Jones he was not in shape, which is not Jones fault. But that aside, whether Jones is as good as Hearns and Hagler and Leonard and Duran, he does not have the fights against other great fighters those guys do and the signifies greatness. Hearns and his 3 buddies in the 80s have the fights to showcase the talent. Jones does not.. A few Toney's and Hopkins here and there yet with asteriks like Hopkins was not a great fighter when he fought him, and Hill was over the Hill when he fought him, and Toney was weakened. Those other guys were in events. That is my point. Events mean something, Jones was in fights, but not the epic fights they had. That is why ALi's era and SRL era is so remembered. And to say Jones would knock out Ray Leonard is ridiculous. What SRL are we talking about? The one in 1981 or the one in 1990? 1990 SRL vs the 1996 Roy Jones he would lose to Roy I am sure. But prime vs prime SRL vs Roy and I think SRL wins the fight by stoppage or UD.
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Prime for Prime of course. Its ridicilous to think SRL would have much of a chance of beating Roy Jones. Jones was faster, more talented, and more powerful. He would have outboxed SRL, and if not stopped him, put him on the seat of his pants a couple of times. Jones would have handled Leonard as easily as Leonard woulda handled PBF, damn easily.

[LegendBoxing65]

ridiculous to think what? Roy never beat the guys Leonard did. Roy never beat fighters like Hearns. Hagler,Duran and Benitez. Roy just does not have the resume. Sad but true. Arguing about who is better between Ali and Leonard is understand. but Roy Jones vs. Ray? Jones had talent but did not fight the best guys.. , but you and I both know that Roy never fought enough good fighters to be regarded as better than Sugar Ray Leonard.

[CutMeMick]

No way, JTs too skilled for someone like Iran. Most of Irans talk comes from his win over Hearns but thats about it, Duran whoope'd his ass and Benn finished him off.

[ICB]

No way, JTs too skilled for someone like Iran. Most of Irans talk comes from his win over Hearns but thats about it, Duran whoope'd his a** and Benn finished him off.

duran didnt whoop him that was very close fight that could of gone either way in my opinion anyway bro

[Hulk]

ridiculous to think what? Roy never beat the guys Leonard did. Roy never beat fighters like Hearns. Hagler,Duran and Benitez. Roy just does not have the resume. Sad but true. Arguing about who is better between Ali and Leonard is understand. but Roy Jones vs. Ray? Jones had talent but did not fight the best guys.. , but you and I both know that Roy never fought enough good fighters to be regarded as better than Sugar Ray Leonard.

Who didn't he fight? What great legends did he duck? Benn, Eubank?
You and I both know they didn't stand a chance. Dunno why you love Leonard so much, he was great, but not as great as Jones.

[LegendBoxing65]

Roy was a great fighter sort of who never had a great fight.

[Lords Gym]

I liked Iran Barkley , he was funny . I would doubt he would beat someone as versed as JT. JT have lots of skills , and good power. I believe that Iran would be stopped by Taylor.

[Hulk]

I liked Iran Barkley , he was funny . I would doubt he would beat someone as versed as JT. JT have lots of skills , and good power. I believe that Iran would be stopped by Taylor.

Yep, just Like Ouma, Freddy Cuevas, and Grady Brewer were. :P

[Counter]

BENN put Barkley away he would have done it to Taylor as well

[Counter]

Lets face it 160 div is poor for some time now Taylor is the best but he is ALL you got HYPE HYPE HYPE