Bob Arum: "Cotto Would Break Mayweather"

[SigmaMu]

Floyd Mayweather=#1 P4P fighter in the world and soon to be rich man with $20 million more in his bank account

Danny_G= sad little boy with no possibility of fame or wealth ever in his life

bye

Here we go again another PBF fan making personal attacks.
You have nothing left to say and you have no leg to stand on and that is where the personal attacks come in.

I do not need tremendous wealth or the Devils fame to be happy.
True happiness does not come from fame or money.
Happiness comes from within.

In this photo, PBF has $8 million more in the bank and a huge audience and there is no doubt he is famous but why is he crying? He don't look too happy to me.
Some day you too will understand what the true meaning of happiness is.
You are clueless.

Miguel Cotto doesn't look too happy to me here,http://www.thesweetscience.com/image...230_101505.jpg, yet I'm sure he is.

If you honestly judge people's happiness by a friggin' snapshot photo, you're the one who doesn't have a clue.

sorry

skyler, you just contradicted yourself.
Typical.

[Tito BHB]

Well..Looks like i passed out at the right time last night...
Ahhh the personal attacks dont work for me..I try my best not to use em...
But follow people bringin people in..nahh that bull.
Im not even really a floyd or a cotto fan..But neither can just be dismissed..
I personally dont understand cotto's appeal..
I used to for floyd..But i feel he went a bit too far too quick and claimed on things too big ..
I mean fair is fair..Floyd is a bad fighter.. held at least a wbc title from Sf to WW
but it seems so meainingless when he does it..Bcos he is so talented, He makes me focus on his bad attitude, he's vainness of getting the wbc titles instead of always beating linear champs.. (Which as far as im concerned he's still done the business at lightweight and welter)
and made the fights where the money was at..
But never mind this..
All these claims of personal attacks are pretty false..
Its just gets a little petty here no?.. But none the less dan doesnt deserve peronal crap given to him
But should also have more base to his arguement rather then just his dislike of pbf and the crazy amounts of Floyd hatin comments and/ or pictures lol
Peace

[_the_answer_]

fucck arum. 2 years later hed be another don king
ive never seen any fighter whos been mocked to death
for playing his strengths and doing what he does best
if floyd had brawl agaisnt these biggies, i would be laughing at him
but aint no way in hell i'll diss on him if he does what hes supposed to
fans want floyd to brawl when he boxes (which he is best at)
fans want pac to box when he brawls (which he is best at)
you dont call 'em fans - you call them haters
if haters says floyd aint fighting the best out there unlike pac
i may have to agree. but hes fighting ODLH next?!?
ODLH is prolly more than the best for him. so ceasefire haters
not until may - either you thrived or you wont survive

[TheCruelBallet]

I think Floyd will call out Hatton at either 147 or catch weight to simply avoid Cotto, that would still be a MASSIVE fight with less risk for Floyd and still big money. Then maybe take on cotto after that.

If he fights spinks people will just turn their backs on him. If he retires after ODLH, I personally would never see him as an all time great fighter..Although I think Oscar has a very good chance of sparking Floyd clean out, people thought the Baldo weight was gonna cause problems for Floyd, and it did to an extent, in the sense Floyd hit and run when I aint sure he needed to.The guy will be like a frightened rabbit against Oscar, cos oscar will be able to cut the ring off and find pretty boy much more effectively than old Baldy IMO

[paddy448]

i think where forgetting what this topic is about. would cotto beat mayweather. cotto would f uck mayweather up i would put my house on it. if they ever do meet remember my name and hold me to it. mayweather would not even want cotto. cotto would give him nightmares

[TheCruelBallet]

i think where forgetting what this topic is about. would cotto beat mayweather. cotto would f uck mayweather up i would put my house on it. if they ever do meet remember my name and hold me to it. mayweather would not even want cotto. cotto would give him nightmares

In that case then yeah I think Cotto at 147 would beat Floyd..

[Tito BHB]

i think where forgetting what this topic is about. would cotto beat mayweather. cotto would f uck mayweather up i would put my house on it. if they ever do meet remember my name and hold me to it. mayweather would not even want cotto. cotto would give him nightmares

Its all good saying so...
But how did you come to this conclusion?
In example..You say miguel beats cotto easy..Nothing on the top tier of boxing is easy, but.. anyway
Say that you think miguel will do so because he has more power then floyd or perhaps then floyd can take..
You would then say floyd got slightly rocked by maybe corley and judah..
Then You might say well...Miguel Can cut the ring off well.. And you would say just like he did to John Doe..
And that would bring on comparison on what miguel needs to do to beat floyd.. and whether he can or has done this in the past..And how his former opponents in which he has managed to do these things compare to floyd..

That is the way to have a solid arguement..
Its cannot be.. Because miguel is a big name, is a good lookin guy and i have picked him as my favourite fighter because he is one of the best and undefeated.. Thats just glory supporting..
Mind you ..this is not accusation on my part..
But these characteristics and/or breakdowns of what might/could or would happen must be done so that somebody has a solid arguement.. We cannot just have people bieng unrealistic and stating that floyd stands no chance against a man who has never really been comparable to floyd in ways such as commen opponents,
Career paths or much else...

Hope to see someone come out with some good arguement
Peace

[paddy448]

yes mate i no what ur sayin. my argument is i think cotto would beat floyd because of a few things.1 bein the power factor. 2 bein cottos abilty to cut off the ring. we all saw in the baldomir fight that floyd hit and run and in that fight i felt baldomir could of chased floyd down and close him off better. in comparison to cotto quintana. quintana applied the same tactics to cotto box on the outside,hit and move.im not sayin quintana is as good as floyd but u can see what im sayin. 3rdly i think cottos speed is very underated. i think he applies great accuracy with his punchin aswell. i would love to see mayweather cotto. i aint no cotto lover or mayweather lover im just goin on what i see mate. over all i think the only way mayweather could fight cotto would to do what he has done since he has moved in the higher weights. hit and move. i just cant see cotto givin him any time and space no matter how slick mayweather is. i see a late stoppage by cotto.

[Tito BHB]

yes mate i no what ur sayin. my argument is i think cotto would beat floyd because of a few things.1 bein the power factor. 2 bein cottos abilty to cut off the ring. we all saw in the baldomir fight that floyd hit and run and in that fight i felt baldomir could of chased floyd down and close him off better. in comparison to cotto quintana. quintana applied the same tactics to cotto box on the outside,hit and move.im not sayin quintana is as good as floyd but u can see what im sayin. 3rdly i think cottos speed is very underated. i think he applies great accuracy with his punchin aswell. i would love to see mayweather cotto. i aint no cotto lover or mayweather lover im just goin on what i see mate. over all i think the only way mayweather could fight cotto would to do what he has done since he has moved in the higher weights. hit and move. i just cant see cotto givin him any time and space no matter how slick mayweather is. i see a late stoppage by cotto.

Nice one brother.. CC

Yeh i hear ya.. Cotto is underrated when it comes to the subtleties in what he offers such as speed, footwork and movement etc..
I personally cant see floyd bieng stopped..Maybe ever?..If there is anyone to do it..I would say it would be oscar or sugar shane... More of an maybe/if for shane..Cos im not certain that shane would beat floyd.
While nobody credits cotto's speed and accuracy its much like alot of the fighters out there that get little credit..
they're not amazing at any one thing.. Just all round solid fighters..
I cant say i can think of anyone who really tested miguel to make him cut off the ring and give him slight trouble..
Quintana is good..But yet i still feel although it was a wicked victory..
Im still giving him prospects credit.. Like joe calzaghie vs lacy..Yeh lacy was the champ and was a big name for the rec...I dont believe either fighter has come into theyr own yet, or quite hit theyr primes..
Both will be back i presume..
The only other test i can think of is the early rounds against magic man malignaggi..
Miguel cuts of the ring ok..Not text book.. But he did lay alot of traps.. He knew that paulie was moving side to side and when he say banged paulie with a right hook to the body..Paulie moves away to his left and miguel would throw a left hook to catch him before he was out of range..He gets little credit for bieng a smart fighter..
But is smarter then he is credited for..
As for floyd..Floyd can certainly move..Certainly hard to read.. And if he is one the ropes you gotta be smart..
Theres floyd on the ropes against sayy..Phillip Ndou..Ndou throws constant left right hooks to body and head but that is all..It smothers but floyds defence is far to great to penetrate with constant, yet visible shots..
Or theres Floyd vs Jlc..Jlc brought the right to the ropes scored his points and wasted very few shots..mixed up the attack and floyd couldnt defend in the same way.. He could just move back..And then had to force himself to start his offense again..
Personally..I dont know if cotto beats floyd or not as he has shown skill in the right area's but not been used against the right people....
So maybe miguel has some big fights this year..
Maybe floyd doesnt retire and maybe they sign the fight..
And perhaps by then its clearer to see what the odds are
Peace

[diamonddavestafford]

This will be another good reason for Floyd to retire. He better not come into the WWD unless he wants his pretty little azz kicked. Floyd would suffer the same fate Paulette Malignagi faced (no pun intended) Cotto only needs a few hard shots to break these little Pretty running Boys of the squared circle.

I guess the headlines will read..
"Floyd was scared into retirement."

Bob Arum is an asshole. He's only running his mouth because he doesnt like Floyd. Mayweather would do to Cotto what he does to everyone else. Sure Cotto is stronger. But he is less experienced...maybe if he was given a few more years to get ready but by then Mayweather will have probably left the game. I dont think he's ready yet...no way he would cut the ring off against Mayweather; he aint fast enough. No way he's outboxing him or catching him. Floyd would stick and move and coast to a points victory like he always does. He would create distance with his jab and lightning fast right cross and Cotto wouldnt be able to get to him. It would go down a lot like the Baldomir fight i think. Actually, I would kind of like to see Baldomir and Cotto go at it with the winner going against Antonio Margarito. Those are more exciting matchups i think. Floyd hits and runs and fights going backwards. With his skill and speed, I dont see anyone beating him under 154.

[ono]

I cannot believe Cotto has 1 good fight at Welter and folk are saying he would destroy Mayweather. Its ridiculous. Cotto was almost stopped by Corley and Torres. He struggled with Malignaggi so i don't see how one good display over Quintana can warrant all this acclaim. Nobody had even heard of Quintana til he beat Joel Julio who was nothing more than a prospect. I like Cotto i think he is quality but one good display over a B class fighter does not warrant p4p status....let alone being one fight away from being #1 p4p.

[El Gamo]

I cannot believe Cotto has 1 good fight at Welter and folk are saying he would destroy Mayweather. Its ridiculous. Cotto was almost stopped by Corley and Torres. He struggled with Malignaggi so i don't see how one good display over Quintana can warrant all this acclaim. Nobody had even heard of Quintana til he beat Joel Julio who was nothing more than a prospect. I like Cotto i think he is quality but one good display over a B class fighter does not warrant p4p status....let alone being one fight away from being #1 p4p.

Just like most Hatton fans said Ricky would give PBF hell after he beat Tszyu first and second,Cotto has the right ingredients to neutralise PBF;S speed:good jab,awesome and powerful hooks to the body and good handspeed. I don't think he would destry PBF but he would sure as hell give him a good fight,Cotto is no weak willed Judah or slow,workmanlike Baldo or old Sharmba,Cotto is young,dangerous,hungry and live. And no one said he was P3P number1?! And to say he struggled against Paulie is poor,I mean did you see Paulie's face? I would not say that was a struggle.

[paddy448]

yeah well said el gamo. no ones sayin cotto would kill mayweather. but yeah he sure as hell would give him a hard night. i think cottos more intelligent than hes givin credit for. he seems to be able to break down his ooponents very well. still goin with a late stoppage for cotto. seriously doubt mayweather would want to face cotto. just hope im wrong.be a good matchup

[terrorsid]

There are a lot of great matchups in this division for PBF to take on, but with his recent opponent selection I fear that a number of great match ups wont come through....we could have Mosley, Cotto, Margarito but I doubt these would be easy fights to make...

EXACTLY! It pisses me off when you hear PBF fans say what has so and so done to deserve a shot etc etc all that BS. Boxers fight each other to see who the best is,they fight the threats,the challengers etc. Look at alll these fights PBF has missed for one reason or another: Freitas/Casamayor/Tszyu/Spadafora etc et and then Cotto,Mosley,Margarito. If he is being honesy about retiring after the Oscar fight,he is missing out and ESPECIALLY as he thinks he is good enough to beat all these guys,I'd like to pick up the paydays and the enhanced legacy,wouldnt you?

Arum is just talking nonsense again,I mean when he had Floyd, was he not the one saying Floyd is the best boxer he has ever had etc etc. He's just doing his job I guess.

Ok people look at Floyd as the best and honestly when he was coming up he beat good names but now all he does it chase belts fight easy opponents to make him look better than he is. Mayweather fights dirty and make it look legit using his elbow to make people not wanna get close then he'll pop you with something nice. On March 13,1993 Oscar de la Hoya fought Floyds uncle Jeff Mayweather and knocked him out in the 4th. My point is that was 13 years ago when Oscar was at his prime now he's older with less talent and alot of heart and he fell into mayweathers game. All that Oscar has done he would have been better off fighting tito to avenge his loss. Its so many young hard hitting fast athletic people like floyd but they will never get a chance. For god sakes Oscar beat Ricardo for the belt that he holds now Mayorga is a slugger not a boxer he was destined to loss that fight. Who has Floyd fought with the same speed and moves as him? Nobody, because he's chasing belts and instead of trying to wipe out each division. And at this time in boxing its a new breed raising right in front of us. In the welterweight we have Andre Berto he has what it takes,Mosleys def has what it take, Paul Williams will make it but they will never get a chance at mayweather because he's gonna retire at 29? ThatsPretty gay

[terrorsid]

There are a lot of great matchups in this division for PBF to take on, but with his recent opponent selection I fear that a number of great match ups wont come through....we could have Mosley, Cotto, Margarito but I doubt these would be easy fights to make...

EXACTLY! It pisses me off when you hear PBF fans say what has so and so done to deserve a shot etc etc all that BS. Boxers fight each other to see who the best is,they fight the threats,the challengers etc. Look at alll these fights PBF has missed for one reason or another: Freitas/Casamayor/Tszyu/Spadafora etc et and then Cotto,Mosley,Margarito. If he is being honesy about retiring after the Oscar fight,he is missing out and ESPECIALLY as he thinks he is good enough to beat all these guys,I'd like to pick up the paydays and the enhanced legacy,wouldnt you?

Arum is just talking nonsense again,I mean when he had Floyd, was he not the one saying Floyd is the best boxer he has ever had etc etc. He's just doing his job I guess.