Who is the greatest (Ali or Ray Robinson?)

[CutMeMick]

Simple,
SRR.

[undefeated]

ALI--he was faster than robinson and he was a heavyweight--he was the perfect boxer--the 60's could fire punches from all angles --like robinson---had a chin --like robinson...but ali had the best opposition than any other boxer in any other weight class--his oppostion was better than robinsons--thats y i rate him as the greastest......so does espn classic--lol

[Realitycheck77]

No doubt about it Sugar Ray Robinson.

[hardrock]

Good points coming, anymore?

[Taeth]

Its hard to say Robinson never fought the competition that Ali fought, but he fought more guys and won more fights percentage wise.

I don't know who's record your going by but last time I checked On Ray Robinsons he hols wins over...
Fritzie Zivic
Marty Saervo
Sammy Angott
Jake La Motta
Henry Armstrong
Tommy Bell
Chuck Taylor
Kid Gavilin
Bobo Olsen
Luc Van Dam
Randy Turpin
Rocky Grazino
Gene Fullemer
Carmen Bassilio...to name a few that is DAMN IMPRESSIVE COMPETITION!!!!!

Throw in some more very good fighters and of course a few no bodies but he also fought more often then most guys too

Henry Armstrong was past his prime, and way smaller than Robinson, but besides him who can compare with Foreman, Frazier, Archie Moore, Sonny Liston, and Floyd Patterson? Thats at least 5 guys in the top 20 heavyweights ever. He lost to Holmes, but that would be 6, and 3 possible four guys in the top 20 best fighters ever (Frazier, Foreman, Moore, possible Holmes). He also fought Jimmy Young, Ken Norton, Mildenberger, Folley, Quarrey, Bugner, Wepner, Lyle, Shavers, Spinks, and even Berbick was a pretty good fighter back then.

OK that statement right there says your knoweldge of the sport back then is limited....do some homework on Bassilio, Fullemer, Gavilin ,Turpin,Zivic, Olsen we will just keep it to those right now...and boxrec does not count....

As for best days Archie was past his...Wepner was tough but a wipping boy for all...and P4P not as tough as LaMotta...

The fact you would even throw Leon Spinks name in there is a joke...his whole career was his win over ALI....

I am as big a fan you could possibly get of both and IMO they rank 1 and 2 all time but Ray was just a bit better.....

I agree I shouldn't have added Spinks I was just saying guys off the top of my head that were good back then. Turpin only beat Ray Robinson and Humez of notable opponents, and Zivic was decent and fought good opponent though he did lose more than a third of his career alot of that came later on, but he can't compare with Frazier or Foreman or Liston. Zivic fought the naturally alot smaller Armstrong, and he did impressively against the much known, but not overly skilled Cochrane who was Gattish at best. Fullmer, Turpin and Lamotta were all tought, but they had no athletic gifts at all... compare that to among the best athletes in the world at Ali's time in Foreman, Liston, Patterson where are great athletes who were quicker than half the guys Robinson fought while outweighing them by 50-60 pounds.

[Taeth]

ALI--he was faster than robinson and he was a heavyweight--he was the perfect boxer--the 60's could fire punches from all angles --like robinson---had a chin --like robinson...but ali had the best opposition than any other boxer in any other weight class--his oppostion was better than robinsons--thats y i rate him as the greastest......so does espn classic--lol

I agree as well... He was faster than Robinson at both footspeed and handspeed which is incredible, and he was funner to watch IMO.

[Taeth]

Sidenote: I think Robinson was a far superior technical boxer, and he IMO was more impressive later on in his career because he worked harder than Ali did. There was no reason for Ali to be so much more flat footed when he returned to the ring after he was exiled. he just didn't work hard enough in the gym.

[El Kabong]

Robinson was better than Ali hands down....Ali copied Sugar Ray but there is one thing he couldn't copy....Ray's power!

[Tito BHB]

Robinson was better than Ali hands down....Ali copied Sugar Ray but there is one thing he couldn't copy....Ray's power!

Also ray's chin!!
Ali always said in interviews after he retired and/or was old..That he could move..But when he got hit on the chin... lol

[DaxxKahn]

Robinson was better than Ali hands down....Ali copied Sugar Ray but there is one thing he couldn't copy....Ray's power!

Ray did have power...I think it was Fullemer that said after the KO loss in their second fight..."When I came to I saw Ray jumping up and down in his corner. I asked my manager why is Ray exercising..My manager said he isn't exercising it's over. Well I said I t must of been me that was counted out because I don't remember a thing"...Some say in that fight Ray threw the most perfect left hook ever..

[DaxxKahn]

Here is a link to a Ray Robinson tribute from Youtube...it's two parts a bit long but worth it for any fan of boxing not just Robinsons........



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AHHHH!!!!! HAAAA!!! Now that Mick and ICB showed me how to do it the right way here they are LOL

[undefeated]

Robinson was better than Ali hands down....Ali copied Sugar Ray but there is one thing he couldn't copy....Ray's power!

ali's punching power is underrated--he could hit hard--when he wants 2 and hes not playing around--he was the ONLY man to ko george foreman--that says somethin---remeber also ali was UNBEATABLE b4 his exile--when he came back he was never the same--he was slower, and heavier and his legs werent what they once were--so he was beatable...not easily. had there been a prime ali this wouldnt even be a topic

[Taeth]

Robinson was better than Ali hands down....Ali copied Sugar Ray but there is one thing he couldn't copy....Ray's power!

Ali didn't fight anything like Robinson... He used way more footwork and head movement... his hands he held lower. Ali looked nothing like anybody who ever fought before or after him. Robinson also fought a bunch of guys who were tough, but they weren't good athletes and weren't that good of boxers.

[Taeth]

Also they both have about the same KO%

[El Gamo]

Robinson was better than Ali hands down....Ali copied Sugar Ray but there is one thing he couldn't copy....Ray's power!

Ali didn't fight anything like Robinson... He used way more footwork and head movement... his hands he held lower. Ali looked nothing like anybody who ever fought before or after him. Robinson also fought a bunch of guys who were tough, but they weren't good athletes and weren't that good of boxers.

Didn't Ali himself say he based his style on SRR? I'm sure he did!!