Holding is a foul , which needs to be treated as a foul !

[Kel]

Ok let's stop picking at individual fighters because we will be here for a fucking lifetime.

So what I gather from this thread is...holding for no reason is a foul.
Holding when your hit and in trouble is ok....why?
You cant use the ropes to keep yourself up so why can you grab the other fighter and do the same?

Holding is a part of boxing in my opinion. Exessive holding sticks out like a sore thumb (in my eyes anyway) and the ref usually deals with it.

[Lords Gym]

Ok let's stop picking at individual fighters because we will be here for a fucking lifetime.

So what I gather from this thread is...holding for no reason is a foul.
Holding when your hit and in trouble is ok....why?
You cant use the ropes to keep yourself up so why can you grab the other fighter and do the same?

Holding is a part of boxing in my opinion. Exessive holding sticks out like a sore thumb (in my eyes anyway) and the ref usually deals with it.

Ref's never deals with it mate ! Brock -vs.- Timor , Abraham vs. Miranda. Ruiz -vs. Everyone many many more ! ... the only ref who does a good job consistent now days is Jay Nady ,, Mills Lane was good.. he would make them fight outta of there. if your going to allow the clinch at least make them fight out of it. when the ref spends the whole fight braking up fighters it kills the momentum of the fight, and slants the advantage toward the holder, usually the taller fighter trying to get an advantage over the shorter fighter.

If a prizefighter comes into fight correct, He don't need to hold. why should we allow a fighter who has piss poor conditioning , bad technique or whatever , become everyone else’s problem? It’s his problem , and his problem alone . If he can't fight out of a tight spot , box his way free . then he gets knocked out , So be it ! good riddance I say, Why allow him to illegally clinch in order to try and make up for his deficiencies in the ring ? it’s a horrible watch, and is hurting boxing at the fan level. Watch Holyfield -vs.- Foreman, Holyfield -vs.- Bowe , Tua -vs. Ibabuchie that’s how two HW fighters should behave in the ring !
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[landmine950]

its not as evident when Klitschko is having his way , at his desired range,, its when he fights a guy that can get through his offense. a guy that finally gets inside .. then Wlad wants to hold , so the ref will separate the two, and push the other guy back outside again. Its a flaw that Klitchko have ! He is a nice guy, and can punch very good, but his weakness is poor footwork and the hold on the inside .

All based on 1 fight?

OK maybe not #2. but all the rest yes!

[Kel]

Ok let's stop picking at individual fighters because we will be here for a F****** lifetime.

So what I gather from this thread is...holding for no reason is a foul.
Holding when your hit and in trouble is ok....why?
You cant use the ropes to keep yourself up so why can you grab the other fighter and do the same?

Holding is a part of boxing in my opinion. Exessive holding sticks out like a sore thumb (in my eyes anyway) and the ref usually deals with it.

Ref's never deals with it mate ! Brock -vs.- Timor , Abraham vs. Miranda. Ruiz -vs. Everyone many many more ! ... the only ref who does a good job consistent now days is Jay Nady ,, Mills Lane was good.. he would make them fight outta of there. if your going to allow the clinch at least make them fight out of it. when the ref spends the whole fight braking up fighters it kills the momentum of the fight, and slants the advantage toward the holder, usually the taller fighter trying to get an advantage over the shorter fighter.

If a prizefighter comes into fight correct, He don't need to hold. why should we allow a fighter who has piss poor conditioning , bad technique or whatever , become everyone else’s problem? It’s his problem , and his problem alone . If he can't fight out of a tight spot , box his way free . then he gets knocked out , So be it ! good riddance I say, Why allow him to illegally clinch in order to try and make up for his deficiencies in the ring ? it’s a horrible watch, and is hurting boxing at the fan level. Watch Holyfield -vs.- Foreman, Holyfield -vs.- Bowe , Tua -vs. Ibabuchie that’s how two HW fighters should behave in the ring !
!

All that from the last sentence to my post........zzzzzzz...could go on forever, this thread. I wanted people to pay attention to the WHOLE post not nit-pick at one sentence. Loads on here seems to do that.

It was a short and sweet post like most I write.

[Kel]

So a fighter who has piss poor conditioning or bad technique is a fighter that holds?

[Lords Gym]

Ok let's stop picking at individual fighters because we will be here for a F****** lifetime.

So what I gather from this thread is...holding for no reason is a foul.
Holding when your hit and in trouble is ok....why?
You cant use the ropes to keep yourself up so why can you grab the other fighter and do the same?

Holding is a part of boxing in my opinion. Exessive holding sticks out like a sore thumb (in my eyes anyway) and the ref usually deals with it.

Ref's never deals with it mate ! Brock -vs.- Timor , Abraham vs. Miranda. Ruiz -vs. Everyone many many more ! ... the only ref who does a good job consistent now days is Jay Nady ,, Mills Lane was good.. he would make them fight outta of there. if your going to allow the clinch at least make them fight out of it. when the ref spends the whole fight braking up fighters it kills the momentum of the fight, and slants the advantage toward the holder, usually the taller fighter trying to get an advantage over the shorter fighter.

If a prizefighter comes into fight correct, He don't need to hold. why should we allow a fighter who has piss poor conditioning , bad technique or whatever , become everyone else’s problem? It’s his problem , and his problem alone . If he can't fight out of a tight spot , box his way free . then he gets knocked out , So be it ! good riddance I say, Why allow him to illegally clinch in order to try and make up for his deficiencies in the ring ? it’s a horrible watch, and is hurting boxing at the fan level. Watch Holyfield -vs.- Foreman, Holyfield -vs.- Bowe , Tua -vs. Ibabuchie that’s how two HW fighters should behave in the ring !
!

All that from the last sentence to my post........zzzzzzz...could go on forever, this thread. I wanted people to pay attention to the WHOLE post not nit-pick at one sentence. Loads on here seems to do that.

It was a short and sweet post like most I write. So if you hold, your badly conditioned and have a bad technique?

you lost me at "Holding is part of boxing in my opinion " ! what the fuck so is low blows,, don't make it legal .. i am saying it needs to be delt with , as any foul should !

[sexydarin]

Jay Nady is the only ref, that i've noticed,that stops the holding, but of course he does it the wrong way. He slaps at the fighters hands, with his hand. This allows the opponent to time a counterpunch just as Nady slaps the other fighters hand down. That is not fair either.

[landmine950]

[/quote]All that from the last sentence to my post........zzzzzzz...could go on forever, this thread. I wanted people to pay attention to the WHOLE post not nit-pick at one sentence. Loads on here seems to do that.

It was a short and sweet post like most I write.

[/quote]
OK how about this....

Holding is a foul , which needs to be treated as a foul !



yes

[Lords Gym]

Jay Nady is the only ref, that i've noticed,that stops the holding, but of course he does it the wrong way. He slaps at the fighters hands, with his hand. This allows the opponent to time a counterpunch just as Nady slaps the other fighters hand down. That is not fair either.

Mill Lane would do that also.. I am all for it.. a fighter shouldn’t be holding the first place..

The main thing Nady does that is terrific, is he says " This is your first warning.. No more Holding.. do you understand me ? I will start taking points away if this becomes a problem" after that there isn’t no more problem and now you have a good fight !

[Punisher136]

it should be heavily penalized as should certain individual boxers over 7 feet tall that weigh over 320 pounds (not to single anybody out ) that lean over people.

[Kel]

What the fuck is everyones definition of holding?

The way you lot talk its like every fighter out there is a dirty fighter. Is PBF a dirty fighter is he clinches to get himself out of a corner?

[Punisher136]

What the F*** is everyones definition of holding?

The way you lot talk its like every fighter out there is a dirty fighter. Is PBF a dirty fighter is he clinches to get himself out of a corner?

Basically it becomes an issue when you grab on to your opponent every single time he's about to throw a punch. This can be seen in a lot of ruiz's fights and somewhat in byrd klitschko 2 except they were semi clinches and not nearly as drawn out as ruiz's.

[Lords Gym]

What the fuck is everyones definition of holding?

The way you lot talk its like every fighter out there is a dirty fighter. Is PBF a dirty fighter is he clinches to get himself out of a corner?

Holding is going to happen from time to time, just like low blows happen from time to time.. and are forgiven. but when it become a repeated event, actions need to be taken ! .. Mayweather uses his feet to escape as a rule, I don't recall Mayweather as a big holder ?

[Kel]

What the F*** is everyones definition of holding?

The way you lot talk its like every fighter out there is a dirty fighter. Is PBF a dirty fighter is he clinches to get himself out of a corner?

Basically it becomes an issue when you grab on to your opponent every single time he's about to throw a punch. This can be seen in a lot of ruiz's fights and somewhat in byrd klitschko 2 except they were semi clinches and not nearly as drawn out as ruiz's.

So its only a foul if you do it every single time your opponent throws a punch? Rubbish, makes no fucking sense at all.

[Kel]

What the F*** is everyones definition of holding?

The way you lot talk its like every fighter out there is a dirty fighter. Is PBF a dirty fighter is he clinches to get himself out of a corner?

Holding is going to happen from time to time, just like low blows happen from time to time.. and are forgiven. but when it become a repeated event, actions need to be taken ! .. Mayweather uses his feet to escape as a rule, I don't recall Mayweather as a big holder ?

Whats a BIG holder? If he holds its a foul right? Its like calling someone a big ball basher. Low blows happen from time to time but holding happens in almost every fight.