Prime Gerry Cooney vs Prime Wlad Klit

[El Kabong]

Good assesment Shadow, I can live with that explination

[landmine950]

who wins the war of the 2 white marshmallows?? if gerry lands the left hook, the klit will sleep forever, yes?

Cooney, in my estimation, had the better chin of the two. After his devastating loss to Holmes, he spiraled into a world of drug/alcohol abuse. Even in his post-holmes state, Foreman commented that he had to stop him because he didn't think he could take another punch from Cooney.
However, I think that Klit is the better technician in the ring, and under Manny, I don't see how he would lose.
So I have mixed feelings about this match-up: Cooney after the Lyle fight...I'd say an early KO
Post-Holmes Cooney would have gotten KTFO.

Irishmen do not "abuse" alcohol!!
abuse is when it gets wasted,spilt or left alone in a cupboard some where.
Us Irishmen respect and embrace our Alcohol, in any given quantity.

[The Shadow]

who wins the war of the 2 white marshmallows?? if gerry lands the left hook, the klit will sleep forever, yes?

Cooney, in my estimation, had the better chin of the two. After his devastating loss to Holmes, he spiraled into a world of drug/alcohol abuse. Even in his post-holmes state, Foreman commented that he had to stop him because he didn't think he could take another punch from Cooney.
However, I think that Klit is the better technician in the ring, and under Manny, I don't see how he would lose.
So I have mixed feelings about this match-up: Cooney after the Lyle fight...I'd say an early KO
Post-Holmes Cooney would have gotten KTFO.

Irishmen do not "abuse" alcohol!!
abuse is when it gets wasted,spilt or left alone in a cupboard some where.
Us Irishmen respect and embrace our Alcohol, in any given quantity.

LOL Pure bigoted stereotype, landmine! But I almost spit me whole fukin pint of Guinness all over my Mac Book Pro! The Jameson, however, is safe and sound on my nightstand.

[The Shadow]

Good assesment Shadow, I can live with that explination

Glad you think it's a fair assessment. Finally we can mutually agree on something. But Pabst Blue Ribbon still SUX!!!!

[Hulk]

you really must be joshing.......does any sane person out there really think Klit hits even 50% as hard as Big George Oh my God, go join a badm inton forum or something.

Exactly. It just shows how delusional most Klitshko fans are.

[Klitsfan]

you really must be joshing.......does any sane person out there really think Klit hits even 50% as hard as Big George Oh my God, go join a badm inton forum or something.

Exactly. It just shows how delusional most Klitshko fans are.

Well Wladimir has 43 KO's in 47 wins and against guys who have never been stopped before.Wladimir has faced guys much bigger than the guys Foreman faced.Foreman faced more fighters that were under 210lbs than over that.Wladimir has only faced 1 fighter under 210lbs.The majority being over 230lbs.If Wladimir was facing guys that weighed under 200lbs there is no doubt he would have KO'd them all but as it is already only 4 of his wins have gone to the scorecards.

Think about it and then come up with a resonable explanation as to why Foreman punches 50% harder than Wladimir.

[Hulk]

you really must be joshing.......does any sane person out there really think Klit hits even 50% as hard as Big George Oh my God, go join a badm inton forum or something.

Exactly. It just shows how delusional most Klitshko fans are.

Well Wladimir has 43 KO's in 47 wins and against guys who have never been stopped before.Wladimir has faced guys much bigger than the guys Foreman faced.Foreman faced more fighters that were under 210lbs than over that.Wladimir has only faced 1 fighter under 210lbs.The majority being over 230lbs.If Wladimir was facing guys that weighed under 200lbs there is no doubt he would have KO'd them all but as it is already only 4 of his wins have gone to the scorecards.

Think about it and then come up with a resonable explanation as to why Foreman punches 50% harder than Wladimir.

He devastated Joe Fraizer.And knocked out guys in arguably the greatest era of heavyweights ever. Wlad woulda shat himself against Fraizer, then been promptly knocked out.

[Klitsfan]

you really must be joshing.......does any sane person out there really think Klit hits even 50% as hard as Big George Oh my God, go join a badm inton forum or something.

Exactly. It just shows how delusional most Klitshko fans are.

Well Wladimir has 43 KO's in 47 wins and against guys who have never been stopped before.Wladimir has faced guys much bigger than the guys Foreman faced.Foreman faced more fighters that were under 210lbs than over that.Wladimir has only faced 1 fighter under 210lbs.The majority being over 230lbs.If Wladimir was facing guys that weighed under 200lbs there is no doubt he would have KO'd them all but as it is already only 4 of his wins have gone to the scorecards.

Think about it and then come up with a resonable explanation as to why Foreman punches 50% harder than Wladimir.

He devastated Joe Fraizer.And knocked out guys in arguably the greatest era of heavyweights ever. Wlad woulda shat himself against Fraizer, then been promptly knocked out.

They were all small guys!Frazier was 5'11 and between 200 and 210lbs.Frazier could be knocked out just as easy as Wladimir in that fight the difference is height and reach for Wladimir.Wladimir is also a faster puncher than Foreman so I would give him a 75% chance to win that fight.

[atomic bull]

Let me tell all of you jokers on this forum that think Gerry Cooney was just some over-hyped white hope with no real skills, during his prime from 79-82, Cooney was a bona-fided killer with maybe the hardest left hook ever. He kinda telegraffed it, but would murder opponents when he caught them. Look what Cooney did to just past his prime Jimmy Young, cut him to ribbons in 4 rds, Young was covered in blood, and Young would fight on and lose close decisions to rising Heavyweights like Page, Tucker, and a few other big names,...but noboby destroyed him like Cooney. I met this guy in a gym back in Philly, he was a heavyweight boxer named Oliver, I can't recall his last name...well any way he was a black guy about 6'1 240 IBS with his nose all broken and crooked and he even had one calliflower ear, a good guy and we talked and he showed me pictures of himself in different training camps like Holmes before the Witherspoon fight, Carl THE TRUTH Williams, he said that Williams trainer the late Carmine Graziano would set you up by saying that "WHERE GONNA GO EASY TODAY AND WORK ON SOME THINGS"... and Williams would try to take your head off. And of course Mike Tyson in the Catskills, he told me Tyson would just kill his sparring partners, but on his rare bad day sparring, he said the sparring partners would try to get some pay-back. He told me that he would stay out late and that Cus D Amato would lock the doors at 10:00 every nite and would not open the doors for anyone, so Oliver would stand on the porch till 4:00am when Tyson rose to do his roadwork, and Mike would let him in. He told me he would ask Tyson to borrow money and that Mike would reach in his pockets and give him usually what ever he had on him, and that Tyson never would ask for it back.He also was in Mike Weaver traing camps, and he was in Cooneys training camp and he told me by far,...Cooney was the hardest puncher of them all, he told me his left hook was devastating, he saw Cooney sparring with 20oz gloves, he would be getting out boxed and then BOOOM!!! Cooney would land a left-hook and the guy would be out cold,.... 2o.oz gloves and all. The way he talked this happened alot. So Cooney was no joke, when he fought Spinks in 87 Cooney really had not fought in 5 yrs, and then he fought Foreman who had been fighting ever month for about 3 yrs straight. Cooney had not fought since Spinks in 87, not to mention Cooney looked like an old man, probably from abusing his body from drugs and alcohol for the past several years. But in his prime he had a left hook like a hand grenade. And I could see Wlad maybe stopping Cooney in the 8th or 9th rd...but I could see Cooney catching Wlad early and stopping him in the 1st or 2nd rd also. And as Forrest Gump would say "THATS ALL I'M GONNA SAY ABOUT THAT"

[Klitsfan]

Let me tell all of you jokers on this forum that think Gerry Cooney was just some over-hyped white hope with no real skills, during his prime from 79-82, Cooney was a bona-fided killer with maybe the hardest left hook ever. He kinda telegraffed it, but would murder opponents when he caught them. Look what Cooney did to just past his prime Jimmy Young, cut him to ribbons in 4 rds, Young was covered in blood, and Young would fight on and lose close decisions to rising Heavyweights like Page, Tucker, and a few other big names,...but noboby destroyed him like Cooney. I met this guy in a gym back in Philly, he was a heavyweight boxer named Oliver, I can't recall his last name...well any way he was a black guy about 6'1 240 IBS with his nose all broken and crooked and he even had one calliflower ear, a good guy and we talked and he showed me pictures of himself in different training camps like Holmes before the Witherspoon fight, Carl THE TRUTH Williams, he said that Williams trainer the late Carmine Graziano would set you up by saying that "WHERE GONNA GO EASY TODAY AND WORK ON SOME THINGS"... and Williams would try to take your head off. And of course Mike Tyson in the Catskills, he told me Tyson would just kill his sparring partners, but on his rare bad day sparring, he said the sparring partners would try to get some pay-back. He told me take he would stay out late and that Cus D Amato would lock the doors at 10:00 every nite and would not open the doors for anyone, so Oliver would stand on the porch till 4:00am when Tyson rose to do his roadwork, and Mike would let him in. He told me he would ask Tyson to borrow money and that Mike would reach in his pockets and give him usually what ever he had on him, and that Tyson never would ask for it back.He also was in Mike Weaver traing camps, and he was in Cooneys training camp and he told me by far,...Cooney was the hardest puncher of them all, he told me his left hook was devastating, he saw Cooney sparring with 20oz gloves, he would be getting out boxed and then BOOOM!!! Cooney would land a left-hook and the guy would be out cold,.... 2o.oz gloves and all. The way he talked this happened alot. So Cooney was no joke, when he fought Spinks in 87 Conney really had not fought in 5 yrs, and then he fought Foreman who had been fighting ever month for about 3 yrs straight. Cooney had not fought since Spinks in 87, not to mention Cooney looked like an old man, probably from abusing his body from drugs and alcohol for the past several years. But in his prime he had a left hook like a hand grenade. And I could see Wlad maybe stopping Cooney in the 8th or 9th rd...but I could see Cooney catching Wlad early and stopping him in the 1st or 2nd rd also. And as Forrest Gump would say "THATS ALL I'M GONNA SAY ABOUT THAT"

I don't think he was a joke I just think Wladimir with his power has a better chance at knocking him out with his acurate left hook.Cooney of course has power and had the ability to knock out just about any heavyweight including Wladimir.I just believe Wladimir has the ability to stay away from those shots.Like always people revert to the chin issue of Wladimir, I don't think Wladimir's chin is as bad as some say.The only real knockdown he faced was against Sanders and he has a BIG punch.I really don't think Cooney could out point Wladimir so that really limits the way he can win.Cooney didn't have the best defense for the Left jab and Wladimir throws his very fast and with power.

[The Shadow]

But again, styles make fights and eras are eras. That division was far different from the current regime of H.W. Training is different; nutrition is different...in other words, it's like putting a prime Jack Johnson in with Lennox Lewis. Boxing is one of the few sports that has really EVOLVED under a darwinian model. I think we all should be mindful of that before making comparisons of boxers from different eras.
I certainly can't say that Foreman has 50% more power than Klitschko, but I can say, although reluctantly, that I would rather get punched by Klitschko rather than Foreman. The man has immense hands and was one of, if not THE, most devastating puncher in boxing.
If Wladimir had his brother's chin, he would definitely be the full package.

[El Kabong]

Glad you think it's a fair assessment. Finally we can mutually agree on something. But Pabst Blue Ribbon still SUX!!!!

Hey it's cheap....let's agree on that....when I want to be expensive I drink good beer

He devastated Joe Fraizer.And knocked out guys in arguably the greatest era of heavyweights ever. Wlad woulda shat himself against Fraizer, then been promptly knocked out.

Hulk....dude, Wlad hits about as hard as Foreman....but there is a HUGE difference as to how they use that power. Foreman was a brawler and a slugger, Wlad is a boxer and has a more upright style.

Wlad-Frazier would have been interesting and I will say Frazier possessed everything needed to beat Wladimir, good chin (he got up from all of the knockdowns in the Foreman fight, and he had HUGE punching power, he also had great stamina and workrate)....Wlad could stay away from him though.

I respect the all-time greats but I also respect the skill of Wladimir Klitschko, inspite of what you think he's the best heavyweight out there today in a historically DECENT era....yeah it's DECENT it's not as bad as everyone says, Don King just keeps everyone from fighting each other

[The Shadow]

I'm no Klitschko fan by a long shot, but I have to admit that he's the most technically sound H.W. out there.
I hear you on the Pabst, Lyle. Just a bit of friendly ball-busting. I suffered through Rheingold a couple of month ago.

[Jody Lane]

Wlad kills cooney. Holmes outclasses Wlad. End of story.

Agreed. Have a CC.

[Hulk]

Glad you think it's a fair assessment. Finally we can mutually agree on something. But Pabst Blue Ribbon still SUX!!!!

Hey it's cheap....let's agree on that....when I want to be expensive I drink good beer

He devastated Joe Fraizer.And knocked out guys in arguably the greatest era of heavyweights ever. Wlad woulda shat himself against Fraizer, then been promptly knocked out.

Hulk....dude, Wlad hits about as hard as Foreman....but there is a HUGE difference as to how they use that power. Foreman was a brawler and a slugger, Wlad is a boxer and has a more upright style.

Wlad-Frazier would have been interesting and I will say Frazier possessed everything needed to beat Wladimir, good chin (he got up from all of the knockdowns in the Foreman fight, and he had HUGE punching power, he also had great stamina and workrate)....Wlad could stay away from him though.

I respect the all-time greats but I also respect the skill of Wladimir Klitschko, inspite of what you think he's the best heavyweight out there today in a historically DECENT era....yeah it's DECENT it's not as bad as everyone says, Don King just keeps everyone from fighting each other

I have to respectfully disagree. It is a SHAT era, a SHAT era. Cooney woulda got Wladimir early IMO. I do not believe all that atomic bull said however. Tyson give all the money in his pocket to someone?!