zab super judah

[DaxxKahn]

zab was undefeated until the last few seconds of the second round with koysta, when koysta caught him with that right there was about 5 seconds left in the second round.

we all seen it,its legendary...how zab quickly got up but was clearly wobble then fell back down...most loved it because how zabs attitude is...but not being bias and looking past the zab as a person and looking at zab the boxer.

zab to be honest is an amazing fighter, he has blazing speed and powerful southpaw left. he was undefeated until koysta, if the ref had count instead of ending the fight just like that, the bell could of saved zab because there was less then five seconds left or zab was gonna make the count. because for the second time he got up zab look ok.

I think zabs mistake was getting up to quick not allowing his legs to recover.if he had rest for a few seconds and got up before 9 he would of been safe. and got a break.

imo oppinion if zab was less of a jerk and focus in on boxing more and maintain a floyd or pac type of stamina, zab could be top p4p...I know imma get a bunch of sad clicks for saying this...imo zab is more amazing then anyone in boxing right now his the real fastest and can punch harder. but his chin is suspect and his stamina is soft. he should of been more dedicated if he was he`d be in pbfs shoes right now.

Good Post.....Zab is definatly a gifted fighter...and he could be a P4P guy...All the talent is there.....Even after the Tszyu loss he had could have bounced back...and he did...I was most impressed with Judah after his rematch with Spinks. I thought he had finally grown up and learned how to deal with things and once again became champion by knckling down doing what was right trained hard and won!!! but I was wrong. Judah is a waste of talent....I was a fan long ago...Now he just pisses me off!!!...because there are so many other guys out there who do the right thing...work their way up through the ranks...take crap fights trying to live their dream yet have no hope because they are not half as skilled as Judah....Zab is wasted talent!!!! he deserves all the losses he gets untill he grows up!!!.......I think by that time it will be too late

[JT Rock]

You don't sound like a Zab fan to me.

Why do I not sound like a Zab fan? You can be a fan of someone and still be able to admit their shortcomings. Being a fan doesn't = making excuses for them everytime they do something wrong.

Zab is the only person I've ever seen get suspended for throwing a low blow. Everyone is trying to make the whole melee his fault but he's not the first to throw alow blow and he certainly won't be the last. Fact is, if Roger didn't get in the ring, there would not have been a melee. Floyd got special treatment and Zab paid the price for that.

Zab did not get suspended for throwing a low blow. He got suspended for throwing punches during the melee. During the actual fight, Zab actually got off easy. He didn't even get a point deducted, even though it was an obvious foul.
Roger Mayweather certainly deserves blame for coming into the ring, that's why he got suspended too.
Zab was getting outclassed, and since he couldn't beat Floyd within the rules, he punched him below the belt and behind the head. Are you trying to say that Zab hit him low by accident?

Throwing a punch after the ref says don't punch is not dirty and dangerous enough for you? Guess not.

The ref in the Mayweather-Gatti fight was horrible. He called to break, then he backed away, like he decided not to do anything. Floyd was within the rules when he threw that punch. It was a weird situation caused by an incompetent referee. Are you trying to say that throwing a punch to a fighter's chin within the rules is the same as intentionally hitting your opponent below the belt and then in the brain stem?

The only difference between Zab and Floyd is that Floyd had better people around him. Just so people know, I was born in Brownsville Brooklyn and lived there several years and not to make excuses for anyone but if you haven't been there don't try to act like you understand what it's like to try to live a normal life. All you have to do is look at Tyson, Bowe, Zab and Briggs. It's a war zone and the only thing that counts is survival. Trust me, it's not a normal life and that's why I made it my business to make sure I moved out before having kids.

Floyd doesn't have good people around. Just look at his family. Do I even need to describe his father and uncle?
If it all has to do with growing up in Brownsville, then how come Bowe and Shannon Briggs have never gotten in trouble for using dirty tactics in the ring? If it's all about the neighborhood, then how come all the fighters from there don't get in trouble for altercations in the ring like Zab has?
Zab is hardly the only fighter from a crime-ridden neighborhood. Erik Morales is from a section of Tijuana that has a higher crime and murder rate than Brownsville. Kassim Ouma was kidnapped by a rebel army and forced to murder other children. Neither of those fighters has ever been suspended like Zab has.

All I got to say Sweet Pea... THATS HOW YOU STUFF A RALLY , seriously though you brought out the real points and discern whats reality and whats BS excuses, yea there are always shitty neighborhoods and bad surroundings and crime and all that, its what you as an individual make out of it, you have control over your actions...I dont see anyone else running around like a classless piece of shite Zab is, he is a dik of a sportsman and a blatant cheater, but thats not to say he cant turn it around in a year or so and fullfill all his potential, I think Zab getting his head out of his a** is good for boxing!!! WE NEED HIS TALENT DESPERATELY.. Just not his Thug Gangbanging mentality

I mean there are a great number of individuals who have been brought up in quote unquote good economic surroundings and they get caught up in crime, drugs etc... Being a shithead has no limitations and dosent discriminate age, race or creed.

We are all blessed with the gift of freewill and its up to us as individuals to choose how we exercise it, whether responsibly or recklessly

[Bx730NY]

Floyd is the same way and now they're trying to make him seem like he's a classy guy or something. Everyone ignores the things he does all of a sudden.

I guess I missed the times when Floyd threw a stool, threw his fist in the face of a ref, intentionally punched an opponent below the belt, intentionally punched an opponent in the brain stem, and threw punches at his opponent's trainer during a melee.

Because Zab has done all those things.

Floyd is cocky and arrogant. Judah is often out of control. There's a big difference. And this is coming from someone who is a Judah fan.

Let Floyd lose by what he feels is a quick stoppage in the biggest fight of his life and we'll see how he reacts

CC....That's exactly my point.

[Bx730NY]

There's no doubt that Tszyu derailed him, before that fight, he was extremely impressive, his performances against Micky Ward and an underprepared Junior Witter stand out to me, he was amazing that night, which I guess makes Tszyu's demolition of Zab all the more impressive. Since then its been hit and miss, mainly miss.

Zab has a glass jaw and Tzyu caught him but there was a first round that most people forget about in that fight. Zab was wuppin Tzyu in the 1st.

CC yoitsdan and Bx730NY for staying on topic,

in the first round zab did look awesome he did caught koysta suddenly and hurt him, zab is very fast and has more pop then pbf and he carries his pucnhing power in a heavier division then pbf.

the first round was all zab and most of the second round, it was at the very last second that zabs perfect record was taken away, I felt bad for zab, he was very hurt but as a man who took pride at his perfect record zab wanted to get up asap but he got up too quick not allowing his legs to recover and his daze brian to calm, I felt as a man zab deserved to be counted out instead of just ending it like that, because clearly zab had heart to fight more and get up, he wanted to really keep his perfect record and when he got up the second time he look fine and look to had beat the ten count, the round was over so he was gonna get the break to recover more.

but the thing with zab is his chin is suspect and his defense isn't as great as pbf but zab is quicker and hits harder and the more atletic of the two.

Bx730NY, zab does have a bad attitude maybe your right its because he came from brownsville its possible that he has been influence from where he was brought up, but that doesn't change the fact that zab still lacks mature intelligence, guys like ouma miranda pac and eric all live right next to real terror, americas hood aint shyt to the true poverty of the world. in america even if you in brownsville or compton or wherever hood in america your still walking distance from hope and a chance as long as you change your damn attitude and bad ways, where ouma miranda pac eric and other fighters who came from true poverty they stuck at a currupt terror filled country not just a small neighborhood a whole damn country. look at ouna and pac they both come in so happy to fight smiling at every moment. ouma was a soldier as a kid pac was a run away in a currupt terrorist nieghborhood. even today ouma and pac gets treats from terrorist but still both doodes are humble.

the difference with pbf and zab is, pbf has earned to be cocky but pbf is the realest punk, zab is cocky but his more a badass then pbf, zab will talk S*** and meet you in the back alley but pbf will be cocky but would only actually fight you with gloves on in a boxing ring. but zab is very immature that's why most peeps don't like him. zad he sounded like a little boy after koyst k.oed him, he was saying it was b.s and now his perfect record is gone jst like that. shyt if I was him I`d be pissed too and I`d feel I deserved to be counted out to ten. but I won't be immature and try to fight the ref. I`d seek a rematch.

I owe you a cc in 24....Good post but the thing with Zab is that his pops is an ignorant fu** too so he doesn't have the proper guidance. Floyd's family doesn't seem much better but he had Bob Arum to keep him somewhat controlled. I think that's the difference.

[barbaro]

zab judah is a nobody and will always be a nobody,although he does do a mean chicken dance.

[SweetPea]

Going back to Judah-Tszyu...

Judah did land a monster left hand about a minute into the fight that knocked Tszyu halfway across the ring and seemed to stun him.
But Tszyu did do a much better job in the 2nd round. Judah got careless and was holding his hands down by his waist, and was moving straight back while standing towards Tszyu's right, which left him wide open for the KO shot.

I thought it was a legit stoppage. Judah looked like he was badly hurt when he got up and fell back down. Once the fight was stopped, Judah did seem to recover pretty quickly, but Nady was right to stop it.
I can completely understand that Judah was upset, obviously he had been waiting for that title shot. I could understand him complaining about it, but the stool throw and the glove to Nady's face was a little over the top.

[babyboNe]

remember guys zab was only about 24 years old when he lost his perfect record to koysta in the coldest way, i mean anyone would be pissed and believe they deserve to be counted out.

zab was perfect up until 10 seconds of round 2, he was too fast for koysta and he had pop to hurt koysta...damn the potential zab never reach. all ruin by one false move zab let his hands down and koysta ruined his could of been one of the greatest career with one punch.

[TitoFan]

... all ruin by one false move zab let his hands down and koysta ruined his could of been one of the greatest career with one punch.

That was some punch, huh? I'd have to say that was one of my all-time favorite moments in boxing.

[Tito BHB]

I won't SC you man, Zab definately has speed and skills, I don't think anyone here will deny that.
It's just he loses his nerve and it all goes out the window, the way to beat Judah is to frustrate him, and then he will beat himself.

I for one actually think he should go down to 140, I would like to get him in the mix down the with Castillo and Hatton, and MAYBE Corrales

that would make for an interesting division

Malignaggi, Castillo, Hatton, Judah, Corrales, DHOP, Vivian Harris.

Sounds like lots of interesting fights to be made there.

You and me think very alike!!.. Thats the types of fights i need to see..

Can you seriously imagine all those fighters getting it on with eachother..

Judah could have amazing fights with the likes of hatton jlc paulie and diego etc..
And all those guys have always been willing to fight the best too..
They could possibly all end up fighting eachother.. The light welter division has slipped a fair bit in all fairness..
With witter, mbaye as champs..And torres is a great fighter but i wouldnt fancy his chances against the above fighters.. That would be an elite division..
Peace

[babyboNe]

... all ruin by one false move zab let his hands down and koysta ruined his could of been one of the greatest career with one punch.

That was some punch, huh? I'd have to say that was one of my all-time favorite moments in boxing.

yea that was a great punch, the camera angle suck though at first didn't see the punch land, but the way zab flew right to his back you already knew a koysta bazooka landed flush.

I always like koysta because imo his the greatest accurate one punch knock out. but before that punch land I though zab was eventually gonna knock koysta out. crazy how accurate and qucik koysta can finish the night off.

KOYSTA RUINed ZAB!!!

[Bx730NY]

You don't sound like a Zab fan to me.

Why do I not sound like a Zab fan? You can be a fan of someone and still be able to admit their shortcomings. Being a fan doesn't = making excuses for them everytime they do something wrong.

Zab is the only person I've ever seen get suspended for throwing a low blow. Everyone is trying to make the whole melee his fault but he's not the first to throw alow blow and he certainly won't be the last. Fact is, if Roger didn't get in the ring, there would not have been a melee. Floyd got special treatment and Zab paid the price for that.

Zab did not get suspended for throwing a low blow. He got suspended for throwing punches during the melee. During the actual fight, Zab actually got off easy. He didn't even get a point deducted, even though it was an obvious foul.
Roger Mayweather certainly deserves blame for coming into the ring, that's why he got suspended too.
Zab was getting outclassed, and since he couldn't beat Floyd within the rules, he punched him below the belt and behind the head. Are you trying to say that Zab hit him low by accident?

Throwing a punch after the ref says don't punch is not dirty and dangerous enough for you? Guess not.

The ref in the Mayweather-Gatti fight was horrible. He called to break, then he backed away, like he decided not to do anything. Floyd was within the rules when he threw that punch. It was a weird situation caused by an incompetent referee. Are you trying to say that throwing a punch to a fighter's chin within the rules is the same as intentionally hitting your opponent below the belt and then in the brain stem?

The only difference between Zab and Floyd is that Floyd had better people around him. Just so people know, I was born in Brownsville Brooklyn and lived there several years and not to make excuses for anyone but if you haven't been there don't try to act like you understand what it's like to try to live a normal life. All you have to do is look at Tyson, Bowe, Zab and Briggs. It's a war zone and the only thing that counts is survival. Trust me, it's not a normal life and that's why I made it my business to make sure I moved out before having kids.

Floyd doesn't have good people around. Just look at his family. Do I even need to describe his father and uncle?
If it all has to do with growing up in Brownsville, then how come Bowe and Shannon Briggs have never gotten in trouble for using dirty tactics in the ring? If it's all about the neighborhood, then how come all the fighters from there don't get in trouble for altercations in the ring like Zab has?
Zab is hardly the only fighter from a crime-ridden neighborhood. Erik Morales is from a section of Tijuana that has a higher crime and murder rate than Brownsville. Kassim Ouma was kidnapped by a rebel army and forced to murder other children. Neither of those fighters has ever been suspended like Zab has.

All I got to say Sweet Pea... THATS HOW YOU STUFF A RALLY , seriously though you brought out the real points and discern whats reality and whats BS excuses, yea there are always shitty neighborhoods and bad surroundings and crime and all that, its what you as an individual make out of it, you have control over your actions...I dont see anyone else running around like a classless piece of shite Zab is, he is a dik of a sportsman and a blatant cheater, but thats not to say he cant turn it around in a year or so and fullfill all his potential, I think Zab getting his head out of his a** is good for boxing!!! WE NEED HIS TALENT DESPERATELY.. Just not his Thug Gangbanging mentality

I mean there are a great number of individuals who have been brought up in quote unquote good economic surroundings and they get caught up in crime, drugs etc... Being a shithead has no limitations and dosent discriminate age, race or creed.

We are all blessed with the gift of freewill and its up to us as individuals to choose how we exercise it, whether responsibly or recklessly

He didn't stuff a damn thing. I just don't waste my time respondidng to guys that think one way only. I made that decision not too long ago and in fact I posted it so pay attention. I realized that some things I say are gonna go over peoples heads so I won't bother. It's not Sweetpea's fault and I'm not mad at him or nothing but there are some things he obviously doesn't understand and I'm not gonna spend my days explaining.

[SweetPea]

He didn't stuff a damn thing. I just don't waste my time respondidng to guys that think one way only. I made that decision not too long ago and in fact I posted it so pay attention. I realized that some things I say are gonna go over peoples heads so I won't bother. It's not Sweetpea's fault and I'm not mad at him or nothing but there are some things he obviously doesn't understand and I'm not gonna spend my days explaining.

I have to say, I love that you criticize me for "thinking only one way," yet you're the one who couldn't even build an argument and instead just fired off, "don't try to act like you know."
I don't need your pity for it "not being my fault," I proved basically every word of your post to be completely wrong.

[Bx730NY]

He didn't stuff a damn thing. I just don't waste my time respondidng to guys that think one way only. I made that decision not too long ago and in fact I posted it so pay attention. I realized that some things I say are gonna go over peoples heads so I won't bother. It's not Sweetpea's fault and I'm not mad at him or nothing but there are some things he obviously doesn't understand and I'm not gonna spend my days explaining.

I have to say, I love that you criticize me for "thinking only one way," yet you're the one who couldn't even build an argument and instead just fired off, "don't try to act like you know."
I don't need your pity for it "not being my fault," I proved basically every word of your post to be completely wrong.

If you really need to know what I mean, let me know and I'll send you a personal message cause the things I'll tell you will take away from the thread. Understand now?

[SweetPea]

If you really need to know what I mean, let me know and I'll send you a personal message cause the things I'll tell you will take away from the thread. Understand now?

Not if the gist of your PM's are going to be "Let me tell you about the all the bad things I see in my neighborhood, and this gives Zab Judah an excuse to do anything he wants...."

Like I said in a previous post, nobody disputes that Zab Judah grew up in a rough neighborhood and that he may have seen things that no one should have to see. Nobody is arguing that.
By as I mentioned before, boxing is overflowing with guys from impoverished, violent neighborhoods, and 99% of those guys manage to avoid doing the stupid things that Zab Judah has done. Unfortunately, Brownsville isn't the only violent neighborhood in the world. There are plenty of guys who grew up in circumstances every bit as bad or worse as Zab Judah and who manage to act like a professional in the ring.

Like I said before, being a fan doesn't mean making excuses for someone every time they do something wrong. Zab has brought all his suspensions on himself. There isn't some conspiracy of people in boxing out to get Zab Judah.