Mark Wahlberg to star as Micky Ward in 'The Fighter'

[amat]

CC 340 P4P. You're exactly right. Especially on the last part. People seem to forget...it's the hall of FAME. FAME. The most famous baseball players get in to. It's just that in baseball, the most famous players are the best ones.

In boxing, you don't have to be the absolute best to be famous. Emmanuel Augustus is nowhere near as famous Gatti. He's had a few good fights but please, he has nothing on Gatti or Ward. Come on now, Augustus as famous as Gatti?

Gatti is perhaps the most famed fighter of this generation. How many FOTY's has he been in? I mean the guy leaves it ALL in the ring. If the requirements for the hall of fame was that they had to be the absolute best fighters from each and every generation then Gatti would be by no means a hall of famer. But the hall of fame is for guys who bettered the sport, advanced the sport, entertained fans and those who acheived fame. Gatti accomplished all that and then some. Sure the guys' accomplishments do have to be a factor aswell but he WAS a champion. I mean it's not like he spent his whole career on the underbelly of the contender list. The Hall of Fame is for people who deserve to be frozen in time alongside other legends, Arturo Gatti is LEGENDARY. He is this generations Carmen Basilio minus the victories over Sugar Ray (Basilio would have got even if he lost imo). He is this generation's Beau Jack or Tony Zale. Maybe not quite the number of wins as those guys, but guys who didn't have the skills of the elite fighters, guys who weren't world beaters but guys who were immensly popular and left their body in the ring everytime they went out.

Arturo Gatti is absolutely something I want people of future generations to be able to read about. He is a guy who doesn't ever deserve to be forgotten.Now I'm not saying his accomplishments are legendary, and he definitely isn't a hall of famer on paper, but it's the IBHOF's job to go past the notepad and enshrine him. He's first ballot imo no question. I'm surprised there is such a strong sentiment to keep him out to be honest.

It's not called the hall of BEST, it's the hall of fame.

So when's Butterbean getting in . You cannot possibly be this naive.

Did you just read the first and last sentence of my post? I gave plenty of reason for Gatti to get in...Butterbean never carried an entire city on his back and make it a hallowed boxing city. Come on man you're better then that...

[smashcrusher]

CC 340 P4P. You're exactly right. Especially on the last part. People seem to forget...it's the hall of FAME. FAME. The most famous baseball players get in to. It's just that in baseball, the most famous players are the best ones.

In boxing, you don't have to be the absolute best to be famous. Emmanuel Augustus is nowhere near as famous Gatti. He's had a few good fights but please, he has nothing on Gatti or Ward. Come on now, Augustus as famous as Gatti?

Gatti is perhaps the most famed fighter of this generation. How many FOTY's has he been in? I mean the guy leaves it ALL in the ring. If the requirements for the hall of fame was that they had to be the absolute best fighters from each and every generation then Gatti would be by no means a hall of famer. But the hall of fame is for guys who bettered the sport, advanced the sport, entertained fans and those who acheived fame. Gatti accomplished all that and then some. Sure the guys' accomplishments do have to be a factor aswell but he WAS a champion. I mean it's not like he spent his whole career on the underbelly of the contender list. The Hall of Fame is for people who deserve to be frozen in time alongside other legends, Arturo Gatti is LEGENDARY. He is this generations Carmen Basilio minus the victories over Sugar Ray (Basilio would have got even if he lost imo). He is this generation's Beau Jack or Tony Zale. Maybe not quite the number of wins as those guys, but guys who didn't have the skills of the elite fighters, guys who weren't world beaters but guys who were immensly popular and left their body in the ring everytime they went out.

Arturo Gatti is absolutely something I want people of future generations to be able to read about. He is a guy who doesn't ever deserve to be forgotten.Now I'm not saying his accomplishments are legendary, and he definitely isn't a hall of famer on paper, but it's the IBHOF's job to go past the notepad and enshrine him. He's first ballot imo no question. I'm surprised there is such a strong sentiment to keep him out to be honest.

It's not called the hall of BEST, it's the hall of fame.

So when's Butterbean getting in . You cannot possibly be this naive.

Did you just read the first and last sentence of my post? I gave plenty of reason for Gatti to get in...Butterbean never carried an entire city on his back and make it a hallowed boxing city. Come on man you're better then that...

Yes I did:

1st sentence of your post: CC 340 P4P

last sentence of your post: It's not called the hall of BEST, it's the hall of fame.

dismissed

[p4pking]

Holy christ, I know that's what you said, I echoed that several times. I don't care if you didn't MEAN to compare the sports themselves, you said if boxings HOF was LIKE MLBs(unless Im wrong ). I know you meant by the criteria they look for, but my point was, that there are other things to look for in boxing, intangibles that you don't find in other sports, and since the sports are different, you have to think there can be different areas which the HOF should look at. Written achievements and statistics should weigh alot more heavily in sports like baseball, where there is no physical contact and the game is all about numbers. Boxing isn't like that, people can be remembered for great fights and great performances, win or lose and regardless of their ability. I wasn't exactly sure if you acknowledged that or not, so you did clear up that bit for me. I took a stance against your opinion because I simply don't agree.. Your basically saying that you know the boxing HOF weighs in a fighters great performances, heart, warrior spirit, popularity, impact on the sport, but you just don't think they should and instead should go by simply the p4p best fighters on each era. I think theres more to it then that. Guess thats all there is to it. Have a CC, didn't have a personal problem with your opinion at all, I just don't agree with it.

[amat]

CC 340 P4P. You're exactly right. Especially on the last part. People seem to forget...it's the hall of FAME. FAME. The most famous baseball players get in to. It's just that in baseball, the most famous players are the best ones.

In boxing, you don't have to be the absolute best to be famous. Emmanuel Augustus is nowhere near as famous Gatti. He's had a few good fights but please, he has nothing on Gatti or Ward. Come on now, Augustus as famous as Gatti?

Gatti is perhaps the most famed fighter of this generation. How many FOTY's has he been in? I mean the guy leaves it ALL in the ring. If the requirements for the hall of fame was that they had to be the absolute best fighters from each and every generation then Gatti would be by no means a hall of famer. But the hall of fame is for guys who bettered the sport, advanced the sport, entertained fans and those who acheived fame. Gatti accomplished all that and then some. Sure the guys' accomplishments do have to be a factor aswell but he WAS a champion. I mean it's not like he spent his whole career on the underbelly of the contender list. The Hall of Fame is for people who deserve to be frozen in time alongside other legends, Arturo Gatti is LEGENDARY. He is this generations Carmen Basilio minus the victories over Sugar Ray (Basilio would have got even if he lost imo). He is this generation's Beau Jack or Tony Zale. Maybe not quite the number of wins as those guys, but guys who didn't have the skills of the elite fighters, guys who weren't world beaters but guys who were immensly popular and left their body in the ring everytime they went out.

Arturo Gatti is absolutely something I want people of future generations to be able to read about. He is a guy who doesn't ever deserve to be forgotten.Now I'm not saying his accomplishments are legendary, and he definitely isn't a hall of famer on paper, but it's the IBHOF's job to go past the notepad and enshrine him. He's first ballot imo no question. I'm surprised there is such a strong sentiment to keep him out to be honest.

It's not called the hall of BEST, it's the hall of fame.

So when's Butterbean getting in . You cannot possibly be this naive.

Did you just read the first and last sentence of my post? I gave plenty of reason for Gatti to get in...Butterbean never carried an entire city on his back and make it a hallowed boxing city. Come on man you're better then that...

Yes I did:

1st sentence of your post: CC 340 P4P

last sentence of your post: It's not called the hall of BEST, it's the hall of fame.

dismissed

Come on man if you're not going to read the whole post then don't comment on it...

[p4pking]

CC 340 P4P. You're exactly right. Especially on the last part. People seem to forget...it's the hall of FAME. FAME. The most famous baseball players get in to. It's just that in baseball, the most famous players are the best ones.

In boxing, you don't have to be the absolute best to be famous. Emmanuel Augustus is nowhere near as famous Gatti. He's had a few good fights but please, he has nothing on Gatti or Ward. Come on now, Augustus as famous as Gatti?

Gatti is perhaps the most famed fighter of this generation. How many FOTY's has he been in? I mean the guy leaves it ALL in the ring. If the requirements for the hall of fame was that they had to be the absolute best fighters from each and every generation then Gatti would be by no means a hall of famer. But the hall of fame is for guys who bettered the sport, advanced the sport, entertained fans and those who acheived fame. Gatti accomplished all that and then some. Sure the guys' accomplishments do have to be a factor aswell but he WAS a champion. I mean it's not like he spent his whole career on the underbelly of the contender list. The Hall of Fame is for people who deserve to be frozen in time alongside other legends, Arturo Gatti is LEGENDARY. He is this generations Carmen Basilio minus the victories over Sugar Ray (Basilio would have got even if he lost imo). He is this generation's Beau Jack or Tony Zale. Maybe not quite the number of wins as those guys, but guys who didn't have the skills of the elite fighters, guys who weren't world beaters but guys who were immensly popular and left their body in the ring everytime they went out.

Arturo Gatti is absolutely something I want people of future generations to be able to read about. He is a guy who doesn't ever deserve to be forgotten.Now I'm not saying his accomplishments are legendary, and he definitely isn't a hall of famer on paper, but it's the IBHOF's job to go past the notepad and enshrine him. He's first ballot imo no question. I'm surprised there is such a strong sentiment to keep him out to be honest.

It's not called the hall of BEST, it's the hall of fame.

So when's Butterbean getting in . You cannot possibly be this naive.

Did you just read the first and last sentence of my post? I gave plenty of reason for Gatti to get in...Butterbean never carried an entire city on his back and make it a hallowed boxing city. Come on man you're better then that...

Yes I did:

1st sentence of your post: CC 340 P4P

last sentence of your post: It's not called the hall of BEST, it's the hall of fame.

dismissed

And what exactly is your point? Other than to make some silly exageration by bringing up Butterbean, as if he ever held a world title, fought an elite fighter, had a great performance, or was even that well known or supported by real boxing fans at all.

[skyler]

Holy christ, I know that's what you said, I echoed that several times. I don't care if you didn't MEAN to compare the sports themselves, you said if boxings HOF was LIKE MLBs(unless Im wrong ). I know you meant by the criteria they look for, but my point was, that there are other things to look for in boxing, intangibles that you don't find in other sports, and since the sports are different, you have to think there can be different areas which the HOF should look at. Written achievements and statistics should weigh alot more heavily in sports like baseball, where there is no physical contact and the game is all about numbers. Boxing isn't like that, people can be remembered for great fights and great performances, win or lose and regardless of their ability. I wasn't exactly sure if you acknowledged that or not, so you did clear up that bit for me. I took a stance against your opinion because I simply don't agree.. Your basically saying that you know the boxing HOF weighs in a fighters great performances, heart, warrior spirit, popularity, impact on the sport, but you just don't think they should and instead should go by simply the p4p best fighters on each era. I think theres more to it then that. Guess thats all there is to it. Have a CC, didn't have a personal problem with your opinion at all, I just don't agree with it.

Again, I also know what stance you're coming from, I simply disagree that the intangibles you speak of merit induction. IMO, you're either the best of the best, or you're not, intangibles (heart, guts, fearlessness) withstanding. You think boxing should look at those. I simply don't.

[p4pking]

Holy christ, I know that's what you said, I echoed that several times. I don't care if you didn't MEAN to compare the sports themselves, you said if boxings HOF was LIKE MLBs(unless Im wrong ). I know you meant by the criteria they look for, but my point was, that there are other things to look for in boxing, intangibles that you don't find in other sports, and since the sports are different, you have to think there can be different areas which the HOF should look at. Written achievements and statistics should weigh alot more heavily in sports like baseball, where there is no physical contact and the game is all about numbers. Boxing isn't like that, people can be remembered for great fights and great performances, win or lose and regardless of their ability. I wasn't exactly sure if you acknowledged that or not, so you did clear up that bit for me. I took a stance against your opinion because I simply don't agree.. Your basically saying that you know the boxing HOF weighs in a fighters great performances, heart, warrior spirit, popularity, impact on the sport, but you just don't think they should and instead should go by simply the p4p best fighters on each era. I think theres more to it then that. Guess thats all there is to it. Have a CC, didn't have a personal problem with your opinion at all, I just don't agree with it.

Again, I also know what stance you're coming from, I simply disagree that the intangibles you speak of merit induction. IMO, you're either the best of the best, or you're not, intangibles (heart, guts, fearlessness) withstanding. You think boxing should look at those. I simply don't.

I can understand you thinking that since Gatti really only possesed those intagibles in excess and what otherwise quite limited, he shouldn't get in.. But how can you honestly say boxing simply, shouldn't look at them. Like they aren't a part of the sport Say you have a fighter who's skills were very very good, borderline elite and top p4p... But he also happened to have the most heart, grit, balls, and determination one could have.. It wouldn't tip him into the ranks?? Come on.. Who knows what some greats would have been without those intangibles... The name Fransico Bojado springs to mind, along with Zab Judah, the man in your avatar... Hey, wait a minute............ Now I can see where your coming from hahaha

[p4pking]

so tell me, where does Zab belong in the HOF..... Since heart, fearlessness, balls, grit, determination, mental toughness don't count... Hell, he's probably one of the best p4p fighters of our era right?

[skyler]

so tell me, where does Zab belong in the HOF..... Since heart, fearlessness, balls, grit, determination, mental toughness don't count... Hell, he's probably one of the best p4p fighters of our era right?

Zab DOESN'T belong in the HOF, much like Gatti and Vargas. As I've said on this board numerous times, he's simply my favorite fighter because he's the one I like watching the most.

[knock out king]

Mickey is my trainer and Mark has been following him around my city (lowell MA) to try and pick up on his personality for the movie, i saw them together and they are even in size, it should be a great movie!!!

[knock out king]

Mickey is my trainer and Mark has been following him around my city (lowell MA) to try and pick up on his personality for the movie, i saw them together and they are even in size, it should be a great movie!!!