Teddy Atlas:"Timing beats speed"(in relation to Oscar Floyd)

[Jman76]

Remind me, whose Floyd boxed with a better jab than Oscar

I dont think that the jab alone will win the fight for Oscar. At some point he has to throw something else. I know the jab can set everything else up, but I dont think the jab alone will bother Floyd.

Nobody said his jab alone will win the fight. But Oscar, like Mosley and Quartey, has a very stiff jab that is able to inflict a good amount of damage. This of course can only set up a combo...I am 100% sure Oscar will miss BUT he will NOT miss everything he throws. Can floyd take a punch He hasn't proven this in my eyes.

Let's remember when Oscar and Mosley fought, Mosley gave him a hard time NOT only because of speed but because of the fact that he can hit hard too. Floyd CANNOT hit as hard as Mosley, Trinidad, De La Hoya, etc...

[Olympian904]

remind me...where was DLH's jab in the Hopkins fight?

#1 B-Hop was the naturally bigger fighter

#2 Oscar did very well to get as far as he did seeing how he came from 130 to 160!

#3 B-Hop used Oscar's strategy to beat Trinidad....that is impressive

1.Being naturally bigger means nothing..the jab sets things up and keeps your opponent at bay
2.weight is never an excuse...if he wasnt comfortable doing...then he shouldnt have done it.
3.B-Hop was just to much for trinidad period.

I still dont see how DLH's jab is gonna make a difference

[jbirdy]

remind me...where was DLH's jab in the Hopkins fight?

#1 B-Hop was the naturally bigger fighter

#2 Oscar did very well to get as far as he did seeing how he came from 130 to 160!

#3 B-Hop used Oscar's strategy to beat Trinidad....that is impressive

1.Being naturally bigger means nothing..the jab sets things up and keeps your opponent at bay
2.weight is never an excuse...if he wasnt comfortable doing...then he shouldnt have done it.
3.B-Hop was just to much for trinidad period.

I still dont see how DLH's jab is gonna make a difference

good point olymian904?

[Hulk]

I love Teddy, but like yours truly he also picked Ricardo Mayorga to defeat Oscar Delahoya, so Oscar nut huggers, don't get too excited with Atlas's statements.

[Olympian904]

Jman you said that mayweather cant take a punch....He doesnt take many punches anyway.Mark my words...DLH is going to get schooled.

[Jman76]

Jman you said that mayweather cant take a punch....He doesnt take many punches anyway.Mark my words...DLH is going to get schooled.

He hasn't fought anyone like DLH, Mosley,etc...so of course he hasn't been hit. He has no clue what a good hard counter punch is all about. I'm marking your words ...No way in hell DLH gets schooled, not by Floyd anyway. Let's try to understand what "schooling someone" means. De La Hoya SCHOOLED Trinidad, then he stopped throwing punches. Winky SCHOOLED and embarrassed Trinidad. Sugar Ray Leonard SCHOOLED many opponents. Mosley did NOT school Oscar, neither did Oscar school Mosley. Not even Hopkins schooled DLH, very few fighters can outbox Oscar. Can you truly say Mayweather will SCHOOL DLH ? REALLY...SERIOUSLY!!!

I just can't wait to see how Mayweather's reaction when he gets hit hard. Will he FALL? Will he RUN? Will he dare and get in an exchange?

[Big_Deuce]

remind me...where was DLH's jab in the Hopkins fight?

#1 B-Hop was the naturally bigger fighter

#2 Oscar did very well to get as far as he did seeing how he came from 130 to 160!

#3 B-Hop used Oscar's strategy to beat Trinidad....that is impressive

1.Being naturally bigger means nothing..the jab sets things up and keeps your opponent at bay
2.weight is never an excuse...if he wasnt comfortable doing...then he shouldnt have done it.
3.B-Hop was just to much for trinidad period.

I still dont see how DLH's jab is gonna make a difference

LMAO, maybe one of the most important tools in boxing doesnt mean anything?

[Howlin Mad Missy]

Remind me, whose Floyd boxed with a better jab than Oscar

I dont think that the jab alone will win the fight for Oscar. At some point he has to throw something else. I know the jab can set everything else up, but I dont think the jab alone will bother Floyd.

Why not it's those pitter patter shots that PBF relies on.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

I just can't wait to see how Mayweather's reaction when he gets hit hard. Will he FALL? Will he RUN? Will he dare and get in an exchange?

Seriously do you expect him to FIGHT? It isn't his game. I hope PBF keeps calling Oscar out so he gets as fired up as he was fighting Mayorga.

[Olympian904]

Big duece...A jab is not going to win you a fight against PBF,its that simple.PBF has faced zab who had a fast jab,corley had a fast jab...so its not going to turn the tide of the fight.

And Jman...Its not going to be close.I give DLH 3 rounds at the most!He cant KO Floyd...and unless he has his best performance ever,he will not outpoint him.

[MannyP]

Honestly, I haven’t seen anything here yet that makes any sense. Teddy’s analysis was close, but I still don’t think it completely hit on De La Hoya’s likely strategy.

Believe it, Oscar knows very well what Floyd brings with him into the ring. Since Oscar has the physical advantage, there’s no need to get fancy. Look at all of Floyd’s fights since moving up in weight, he had an advantage in at least reach or height, in every single one of them. Most fights it was both. This is a smallish lightweight, moving up in weight and finding people even smaller than him to fight. That isn’t proving much to me. Go back and take a closer look at Floyd’s past fights. How many of those opponents had a marked physical advantage over him. Very few, if any. Many have mentioned Diego Corrales in comparison to De La Hoya’s height advantage, but what they’re missing is that Floyd still had a two inch reach advantage over Diego. Floyd has never fought anyone, at any time, who measured up to De La Hoya’s height, reach and strength. Not even close. If you can’t see that, it’s because you are caught up in the hype of the “Pretty Boy,” and not the reality.

It makes me laugh when I hear people actually using the Baldomir fight to justify their expectations for this one!! You have got to be kidding me. This man has no real power, was an inch shorter and had a five inch reach disadvantage. And people were surprised that he couldn’t win one unanimous round in the whole fight. I guess most people just aren’t paying attention.

De La Hoya will begin by stalking him. Plain and simple. Oscar wanted, and got, the smaller ring to corner and trap Mayweather, and that’s exactly what he’s going to do. I do not believe he will try to mix it up on the inside immediately, not until he has a chance to get a better gauge on Floyd’s overall speed and strength. He will start by using his reach advantage, trying to set him up from the outside for a taste of the real power. This is where Teddy’s talk of timing makes sense. As the fight wears on, if it does at all, De La Hoya will become more aggressive and attack Floyd more outright. And yes!, Floyd can be trapped on the ropes. I have seen it before, and I have no doubt that Oscar, using his size and strength, can do it as well.

Floyd has one hell of a tightrope to walk here. He must stay away from Oscar’s power, while at the same time finding ways to engage him enough to actually win rounds. This is not a good situation for him.

This should be an easy fight for Oscar.

[Taeth]

Timing has to do with speed. Reflexes are part of speed, and they affect timing.

[Hulk]

Like I said Teddy ain't too good at predicting fights. Most recently he picked Green to beat Miranda. He almost always goes for the underdog, which is usually cool, I do the same, but not in this case. I think Floyd is gonna box his way to a Unanimous Decision.

[amat]

I just can't wait to see how Mayweather's reaction when he gets hit hard. Will he FALL? Will he RUN? Will he dare and get in an exchange?

Seriously do you expect him to FIGHT? It isn't his game. I hope PBF keeps calling Oscar out so he gets as fired up as he was fighting Mayorga.

I guess I just don't agree. I don't understand the thinking that all PBF does is stick and run away. I think people are going to be very surprised on just how willing Floyd is to engage on the inside. Now I don't think he'll be making any long visits but still...people are making Floyd out to be Corey Spinks because of the last 3 rounds of the fight.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Honestly, I haven’t seen anything here yet that makes any sense. Teddy’s analysis was close, but I still don’t think it completely hit on De La Hoya’s likely strategy.

Believe it, Oscar knows very well what Floyd brings with him into the ring. Since Oscar has the physical advantage, there’s no need to get fancy. Look at all of Floyd’s fights since moving up in weight, he had an advantage in at least reach or height, in every single one of them. Most fights it was both. This is a smallish lightweight, moving up in weight and finding people even smaller than him to fight. That isn’t proving much to me. Go back and take a closer look at Floyd’s past fights. How many of those opponents had a marked physical advantage over him. Very few, if any. Many have mentioned Diego Corrales in comparison to De La Hoya’s height advantage, but what they’re missing is that Floyd still had a two inch reach advantage over Diego. Floyd has never fought anyone, at any time, who measured up to De La Hoya’s height, reach and strength. Not even close. If you can’t see that, it’s because you are caught up in the hype of the “Pretty Boy,” and not the reality.

It makes me laugh when I hear people actually using the Baldomir fight to justify their expectations for this one!! You have got to be kidding me. This man has no real power, was an inch shorter and had a five inch reach disadvantage. And people were surprised that he couldn’t win one unanimous round in the whole fight. I guess most people just aren’t paying attention.

De La Hoya will begin by stalking him. Plain and simple. Oscar wanted, and got, the smaller ring to corner and trap Mayweather, and that’s exactly what he’s going to do. I do not believe he will try to mix it up on the inside immediately, not until he has a chance to get a better gauge on Floyd’s overall speed and strength. He will start by using his reach advantage, trying to set him up from the outside for a taste of the real power. This is where Teddy’s talk of timing makes sense. As the fight wears on, if it does at all, De La Hoya will become more aggressive and attack Floyd more outright. And yes!, Floyd can be trapped on the ropes. I have seen it before, and I have no doubt that Oscar, using his size and strength, can do it as well.

Floyd has one hell of a tightrope to walk here. He must stay away from Oscar’s power, while at the same time finding ways to engage him enough to actually win rounds. This is not a good situation for him.

This should be an easy fight for Oscar.

WTF!? Is that true!

Very VERY interesting points youve just made. Makes my slight distain of Floyd feel that much more justified

Helluva good post to start of with Many P. I hope you can stick it out.

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