Wladimir the real deal.

[USA LOVES THE KLITSCHKOS]

Wlads a good boxer with power but i would'nt say he was stronger than Foreman and his chin is still suspect major question mark over that forever i would say

Lets say they are equally strong, but Foreman had no good defence when younger. I would say that Wlad is about as dangerous as Foreman. They are all greats. I think that VITALI is the best HW ever. Foreman's sloppy defence would be his downfall against his enormous reach, and Vitali has never been down. If you can't KO jimmy young then you cant KO VItali.

The best HW ever.......Not to sound like a record but there was a guy named Ali who was DAMN!!! good and would have boxed Vitaly into the mat

Ali? He was the bigger man against, Bonavena, Frazier, Mac Foster, ken norton, Rudi Lubbers...etc. and still either lost or went 12 rounds against these guys.
Take RUDI LUBBERS, Rudi weighed 196 pounds. And Ali failed to win by ko despite being TALLER AND 20 pounds heavier!!!

Why in the whole world WOuld you even think THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN ALI WOULD BE ABLE TO EASILY KO A GUY WITH SKILLS AND 30 POUNDS
HEAVIER AND TALLER THAN HIM? he lost against a 200 pound Norton and then went 12 rounds against him to win. what about 250 Vitali? jimmy young 204 pounds whent 15 rounds against him. Evangelista went 12 of 12, Wepner went 15, Leon spinks even went 15 rounds. AND SO ON.

Vitali on the other hand KO nearly every oponent and has never been beaten, but retired while ahead because of injuries. Lennox is the only guy who could possibly beat him that well never know, but he was ahead on the cards.
But NO, you say that VITALI WOULD be floored?

AND YOU ALL SAY THAT I AM THE STUPID ONE.

cc plinden yeah Lennox took that bs win and ran never to come back, leaving a question mark in the history of boxing.It would have been funny if Hasim or Oliver would have retired just to deny him a rematch like he did Vitali.

[plinden]

Wlads a good boxer with power but i would'nt say he was stronger than Foreman and his chin is still suspect major question mark over that forever i would say

Lets say they are equally strong, but Foreman had no good defence when younger. I would say that Wlad is about as dangerous as Foreman. They are all greats. I think that VITALI is the best HW ever. Foreman's sloppy defence would be his downfall against his enormous reach, and Vitali has never been down. If you can't KO jimmy young then you cant KO VItali.

The best HW ever.......Not to sound like a record but there was a guy named Ali who was DAMN!!! good and would have boxed Vitaly into the mat

Ali? He was the bigger man against, Bonavena, Frazier, Mac Foster, ken norton, Rudi Lubbers...etc. and still either lost or went 12 rounds against these guys.
Take RUDI LUBBERS, Rudi weighed 196 pounds. And Ali failed to win by ko despite being TALLER AND 20 pounds heavier!!!

Why in the whole world WOuld you even think THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN ALI WOULD BE ABLE TO EASILY KO A GUY WITH SKILLS AND 30 POUNDS
HEAVIER AND TALLER THAN HIM? he lost against a 200 pound Norton and then went 12 rounds against him to win. what about 250 Vitali? jimmy young 204 pounds whent 15 rounds against him. Evangelista went 12 of 12, Wepner went 15, Leon spinks even went 15 rounds. AND SO ON.

Vitali on the other hand KO nearly every oponent and has never been beaten, but retired while ahead because of injuries. Lennox is the only guy who could possibly beat him that well never know, but he was ahead on the cards.
But NO, you say that VITALI WOULD be floored?

AND YOU ALL SAY THAT I AM THE STUPID ONE.

cc plinden yeah Lennox took that bs win and ran never to come back, leaving a question mark in the history of boxing.It would have been funny if Hasim or Oliver would have retired just to deny him a rematch like he did Vitali.

Thanks these guys drive me mad about their fantasies about the past. People always think the past was better. But it wasnt. For crying out loud if DOUG JONES 188 pounds, could last 10 rounds against ALI, why think that VITALI at 250 would be Ko'd? Its like they think that ALI and the other past greats are SUPERHEROES who -despite failing to put away 188pound guys- now would easily KO VITALI and CORRIE SANDERS and WLAD our greatest. ARCHIE Moore was almost 50 weighin 191 (!) when he went 4 rounds against ALIstooped Tko in 4th. You think Corrie SANDERS would need 4 rounds! lol. Corrie would blow them all out.

[shza]

And don't call Corrie Sanders a nobody...or Lamon Brewster those guys are very tough fighters.

Corrie Sanders has a very nice set of man-tits. I'll give him that.

Corrie Sanders is the best HW right now apart from Vitali.

Ok, now I know you're joking about this thread. James Toney is in better shape than Corrie Sanders in his prime.

[plinden]

And don't call Corrie Sanders a nobody...or Lamon Brewster those guys are very tough fighters.

Corrie Sanders has a very nice set of man-tits. I'll give him that.

Corrie Sanders is the best HW right now apart from Vitali.

Ok, now I know you're joking about this thread. James Toney is in better shape than Corrie Sanders in his prime.

I dont think Toney would steamroller over Wlad. Corrie did. I dont see Toney stunning Vitali in round1.

[Taeth]

Sanders landed a good punch. ENd of story. It has happened to Lewis, it happened to alot of guys. Henry Cooper for all intense and purposes KO'ed Ali in their fight. Frazier got his ass kicked twice by Foreman, but did way better than Foreman against Ali. I wasn't meaning for this thread to compare to Klitschko to ATG's, I think he could stand in there with them, but its hard to see him win.

[plinden]

Sanders landed a good punch. ENd of story. It has happened to Lewis, it happened to alot of guys. Henry Cooper for all intense and purposes KO'ed Ali in their fight. Frazier got his a** kicked twice by Foreman, but did way better than Foreman against Ali. I wasn't meaning for this thread to compare to Klitschko to ATG's, I think he could stand in there with them, but its hard to see him win.

Vitali is the best ever.

Ask Lennox what he thinks about Corrie. Let me tell you; he thinks Corrie is one of the best ever.

[diamonddavestafford]

Sorry ICB, Bowe is 6'5...Wlad is 6'6-6'7...my bad.

Foreman also had something called "heavy hands" which you cant get from any kind of newer techniques or weightlifting. His hands were HUGE a la Joe Louis and many other bombers. I can't believe people are comparing Klitschko to a legend like Foreman. Let's face the facts here, Klitschko looks great because he is surrounded by a bunch of mediocre clowns at best. I mean, that Austin fight was a joke. There is no one to test this guy so we may never know if he is any good. Sure he has tools and does execute some good textbook boxing moves. He is not showing a whole lot more of that than he was when he first was making waves, beating down an old Ray Mercer and then Jameel McCline. And then he got knocked out. Twice. By basically nobody. So he has gotten a little bit better at working offensively from a distance to keep his opponents away from his chin. That will only work as long as he fights opponents who dont have the heart or the chin to take a punch or two from him to get inside and really whack him. As soon as that happens, I would not be surprised if we see Wladimir Klitschko on Dream Street again. Like Foreman, Klitschko also has something that newer, more advanced training and weightlifting technologies cannot help or hinder...a glass jaw. I'm not saying he doesn't deserve any credit or that he is a bum. I'm just saying when you judge a fighter, you look at the people he's fought. Take a look at George Foreman's list of opponents and compare it to Klitschko's before you go and start putting Wladimir up on that high pedestal. He is merely the most talented of ordinary...and he has a great trainer in his corner.

You can get heavy hands from weight lifting and not training properly....if you're just talking about not being able to throw quick punches.

If you're talking about power, then no....his power was natural

Dave Wladimir has fought and beat some very good fighters....he has fought better competition than anyone else in the division. He just turned 31 and already has 51 fights and has 43 KO's in his 48 wins!!!! That's impressive no matter who you're fighting.

And don't call Corrie Sanders a nobody...or Lamon Brewster those guys are very tough fighters.


I'm not saying Wladimir is on par with Foreman, there is no question Foreman is one of the best heavyweights in the history of the sport.......Wladimir is still making his mark on the division

He's making his mark on a division marked by mediocrity is all I'm saying and lets get one thing straight, as an amateur boxer myself, I respect all fighters, win or lose for having the guts and the belief in themselves to get in the ring, go head to head with another human being and put it all on the line to give the fans a good show, but compared to the likes of Joe Frazier, Ken Norton, Evander Holyfield, Michael Moorer, Tommy Morrison, Jimmy Ellis, and Muhammad Ali, Corrie Sanders and Lamon Brewster are total bums. That's all I'm trying to say. I give Wlad props for making his mark on the division though it is not his fault it is far under par when compared to other eras. But if he is truly good, then like Larry Holmes, who also fought during a time period marked by many bums, he will hold onto the title for like nine years.

[ICB]

Wlads a good boxer with power but i would'nt say he was stronger than Foreman and his chin is still suspect major question mark over that forever i would say

Lets say they are equally strong, but Foreman had no good defence when younger. I would say that Wlad is about as dangerous as Foreman. They are all greats. I think that VITALI is the best HW ever. Foreman's sloppy defence would be his downfall against his enormous reach, and Vitali has never been down. If you can't KO jimmy young then you cant KO VItali.

The best HW ever.......Not to sound like a record but there was a guy named Ali who was DAMN!!! good and would have boxed Vitaly into the mat

Ali? He was the bigger man against, Bonavena, Frazier, Mac Foster, ken norton, Rudi Lubbers...etc. and still either lost or went 12 rounds against these guys.
Take RUDI LUBBERS, Rudi weighed 196 pounds. And Ali failed to win by ko despite being TALLER AND 20 pounds heavier!!!

Why in the whole world WOuld you even think THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN ALI WOULD BE ABLE TO EASILY KO A GUY WITH SKILLS AND 30 POUNDS
HEAVIER AND TALLER THAN HIM? he lost against a 200 pound Norton and then went 12 rounds against him to win. what about 250 Vitali? jimmy young 204 pounds whent 15 rounds against him. Evangelista went 12 of 12, Wepner went 15, Leon spinks even went 15 rounds. AND SO ON.

Vitali on the other hand KO nearly every oponent and has never been beaten, but retired while ahead because of injuries. Lennox is the only guy who could possibly beat him that well never know, but he was ahead on the cards.
But NO, you say that VITALI WOULD be floored?

AND YOU ALL SAY THAT I AM THE STUPID ONE.

cc plinden yeah Lennox took that bs win and ran never to come back, leaving a question mark in the history of boxing.It would have been funny if Hasim or Oliver would have retired just to deny him a rematch like he did Vitali.

Thanks these guys drive me mad about their fantasies about the past. People always think the past was better. But it wasnt. For crying out loud if DOUG JONES 188 pounds, could last 10 rounds against ALI, why think that VITALI at 250 would be Ko'd? Its like they think that ALI and the other past greats are SUPERHEROES who -despite failing to put away 188pound guys- now would easily KO VITALI and CORRIE SANDERS and WLAD our greatest. ARCHIE Moore was almost 50 weighin 191 (!) when he went 4 rounds against ALIstooped Tko in 4th. You think Corrie SANDERS would need 4 rounds! lol. Corrie would blow them all out.

This is funny we drive you mad lol nothing to do with fantasy past being better its just statement you come out with Vitali being best ever its stupid Vitali is robotic and there is a load of hws that have been more talented than him and Corrie would blow them all out lol this gets better and better you mean same Corrie sanders that was stopped in 2 rounds against Nate Tubbs and lost to Hasim Rahman ??

Riddick Bowe
Larry Holmes would easily decision both your hero Sanders and robotic Vitali


to be honest your very biased just because Vitali had one good fight against past it and out of shape Lewis who isn't best hw i've seen either you have now got this thing in your head that Vitali is best ever size isn't everything its heart and skills and ton of other things aswell

[ICB]

Wlads a good boxer with power but i would'nt say he was stronger than Foreman and his chin is still suspect major question mark over that forever i would say

Lets say they are equally strong, but Foreman had no good defence when younger. I would say that Wlad is about as dangerous as Foreman. They are all greats. I think that VITALI is the best HW ever. Foreman's sloppy defence would be his downfall against his enormous reach, and Vitali has never been down. If you can't KO jimmy young then you cant KO VItali.

The best HW ever.......Not to sound like a record but there was a guy named Ali who was DAMN!!! good and would have boxed Vitaly into the mat

Ali? He was the bigger man against, Bonavena, Frazier, Mac Foster, ken norton, Rudi Lubbers...etc. and still either lost or went 12 rounds against these guys.
Take RUDI LUBBERS, Rudi weighed 196 pounds. And Ali failed to win by ko despite being TALLER AND 20 pounds heavier!!!

Why in the whole world WOuld you even think THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN ALI WOULD BE ABLE TO EASILY KO A GUY WITH SKILLS AND 30 POUNDS
HEAVIER AND TALLER THAN HIM? he lost against a 200 pound Norton and then went 12 rounds against him to win. what about 250 Vitali? jimmy young 204 pounds whent 15 rounds against him. Evangelista went 12 of 12, Wepner went 15, Leon spinks even went 15 rounds. AND SO ON.

Vitali on the other hand KO nearly every oponent and has never been beaten, but retired while ahead because of injuries. Lennox is the only guy who could possibly beat him that well never know, but he was ahead on the cards.
But NO, you say that VITALI WOULD be floored?

AND YOU ALL SAY THAT I AM THE STUPID ONE.

What does that prove that he is hard puncher so what and also most of kos Vitali has are against no namers or against average opponents who would get killed against talented boxer unfortunately only skilled boxer at moment is Wlad

Plus don't know why you only think Lewis would only have shot against Vitali i've seen more talented fighters than Lewis Ray mercer gave Lewis tougher fight than what Vitali did fact

[DaxxKahn]

Wlads a good boxer with power but i would'nt say he was stronger than Foreman and his chin is still suspect major question mark over that forever i would say

Lets say they are equally strong, but Foreman had no good defence when younger. I would say that Wlad is about as dangerous as Foreman. They are all greats. I think that VITALI is the best HW ever. Foreman's sloppy defence would be his downfall against his enormous reach, and Vitali has never been down. If you can't KO jimmy young then you cant KO VItali.

The best HW ever.......Not to sound like a record but there was a guy named Ali who was DAMN!!! good and would have boxed Vitaly into the mat

Ali? He was the bigger man against, Bonavena, Frazier, Mac Foster, ken norton, Rudi Lubbers...etc. and still either lost or went 12 rounds against these guys.
Take RUDI LUBBERS, Rudi weighed 196 pounds. And Ali failed to win by ko despite being TALLER AND 20 pounds heavier!!!

Why in the whole world WOuld you even think THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN ALI WOULD BE ABLE TO EASILY KO A GUY WITH SKILLS AND 30 POUNDS
HEAVIER AND TALLER THAN HIM? he lost against a 200 pound Norton and then went 12 rounds against him to win. what about 250 Vitali? jimmy young 204 pounds whent 15 rounds against him. Evangelista went 12 of 12, Wepner went 15, Leon spinks even went 15 rounds. AND SO ON.

Vitali on the other hand KO nearly every oponent and has never been beaten, but retired while ahead because of injuries. Lennox is the only guy who could possibly beat him that well never know, but he was ahead on the cards.
But NO, you say that VITALI WOULD be floored?

AND YOU ALL SAY THAT I AM THE STUPID ONE.

cc plinden yeah Lennox took that bs win and ran never to come back, leaving a question mark in the history of boxing.It would have been funny if Hasim or Oliver would have retired just to deny him a rematch like he did Vitali.

Thanks these guys drive me mad about their fantasies about the past. People always think the past was better. But it wasnt. For crying out loud if DOUG JONES 188 pounds, could last 10 rounds against ALI, why think that VITALI at 250 would be Ko'd? Its like they think that ALI and the other past greats are SUPERHEROES who -despite failing to put away 188pound guys- now would easily KO VITALI and CORRIE SANDERS and WLAD our greatest. ARCHIE Moore was almost 50 weighin 191 (!) when he went 4 rounds against ALIstooped Tko in 4th. You think Corrie SANDERS would need 4 rounds! lol. Corrie would blow them all out.

I can't even acknowledge your post on this anymore...Your talking like a blinded fan....How old are you

There is nothing worng with being a fan and making a case for your fighter but you also have to use your knowledge of the sport....Past has nothing to do with it

[plinden]

Wlads a good boxer with power but i would'nt say he was stronger than Foreman and his chin is still suspect major question mark over that forever i would say

Lets say they are equally strong, but Foreman had no good defence when younger. I would say that Wlad is about as dangerous as Foreman. They are all greats. I think that VITALI is the best HW ever. Foreman's sloppy defence would be his downfall against his enormous reach, and Vitali has never been down. If you can't KO jimmy young then you cant KO VItali.

The best HW ever.......Not to sound like a record but there was a guy named Ali who was DAMN!!! good and would have boxed Vitaly into the mat

Ali? He was the bigger man against, Bonavena, Frazier, Mac Foster, ken norton, Rudi Lubbers...etc. and still either lost or went 12 rounds against these guys.
Take RUDI LUBBERS, Rudi weighed 196 pounds. And Ali failed to win by ko despite being TALLER AND 20 pounds heavier!!!

Why in the whole world WOuld you even think THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN ALI WOULD BE ABLE TO EASILY KO A GUY WITH SKILLS AND 30 POUNDS
HEAVIER AND TALLER THAN HIM? he lost against a 200 pound Norton and then went 12 rounds against him to win. what about 250 Vitali? jimmy young 204 pounds whent 15 rounds against him. Evangelista went 12 of 12, Wepner went 15, Leon spinks even went 15 rounds. AND SO ON.

Vitali on the other hand KO nearly every oponent and has never been beaten, but retired while ahead because of injuries. Lennox is the only guy who could possibly beat him that well never know, but he was ahead on the cards.
But NO, you say that VITALI WOULD be floored?

AND YOU ALL SAY THAT I AM THE STUPID ONE.

cc plinden yeah Lennox took that bs win and ran never to come back, leaving a question mark in the history of boxing.It would have been funny if Hasim or Oliver would have retired just to deny him a rematch like he did Vitali.

Thanks these guys drive me mad about their fantasies about the past. People always think the past was better. But it wasnt. For crying out loud if DOUG JONES 188 pounds, could last 10 rounds against ALI, why think that VITALI at 250 would be Ko'd? Its like they think that ALI and the other past greats are SUPERHEROES who -despite failing to put away 188pound guys- now would easily KO VITALI and CORRIE SANDERS and WLAD our greatest. ARCHIE Moore was almost 50 weighin 191 (!) when he went 4 rounds against ALIstooped Tko in 4th. You think Corrie SANDERS would need 4 rounds! lol. Corrie would blow them all out.

I can't even acknowledge your post on this anymore...Your talking like a blinded fan....How old are you

There is nothing worng with being a fan and making a case for your fighter but you also have to use your knowledge of the sport....Past has nothing to do with it

Ok I give up, lets pretend that ALi and Larry and Forman, despite not being able to put away 188-200 pounders, would steamroller over Corrie, Vitali and WLad. Lets dream on.

And by the way, Corrie was far ahead against Rahman and was still standing, the Tubbs fight was a bad night. Only one other loss, v Vitali.

But I give up.

[ICB]

Wlads a good boxer with power but i would'nt say he was stronger than Foreman and his chin is still suspect major question mark over that forever i would say

Lets say they are equally strong, but Foreman had no good defence when younger. I would say that Wlad is about as dangerous as Foreman. They are all greats. I think that VITALI is the best HW ever. Foreman's sloppy defence would be his downfall against his enormous reach, and Vitali has never been down. If you can't KO jimmy young then you cant KO VItali.

The best HW ever.......Not to sound like a record but there was a guy named Ali who was DAMN!!! good and would have boxed Vitaly into the mat

Ali? He was the bigger man against, Bonavena, Frazier, Mac Foster, ken norton, Rudi Lubbers...etc. and still either lost or went 12 rounds against these guys.
Take RUDI LUBBERS, Rudi weighed 196 pounds. And Ali failed to win by ko despite being TALLER AND 20 pounds heavier!!!

Why in the whole world WOuld you even think THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN ALI WOULD BE ABLE TO EASILY KO A GUY WITH SKILLS AND 30 POUNDS
HEAVIER AND TALLER THAN HIM? he lost against a 200 pound Norton and then went 12 rounds against him to win. what about 250 Vitali? jimmy young 204 pounds whent 15 rounds against him. Evangelista went 12 of 12, Wepner went 15, Leon spinks even went 15 rounds. AND SO ON.

Vitali on the other hand KO nearly every oponent and has never been beaten, but retired while ahead because of injuries. Lennox is the only guy who could possibly beat him that well never know, but he was ahead on the cards.
But NO, you say that VITALI WOULD be floored?

AND YOU ALL SAY THAT I AM THE STUPID ONE.

cc plinden yeah Lennox took that bs win and ran never to come back, leaving a question mark in the history of boxing.It would have been funny if Hasim or Oliver would have retired just to deny him a rematch like he did Vitali.

Thanks these guys drive me mad about their fantasies about the past. People always think the past was better. But it wasnt. For crying out loud if DOUG JONES 188 pounds, could last 10 rounds against ALI, why think that VITALI at 250 would be Ko'd? Its like they think that ALI and the other past greats are SUPERHEROES who -despite failing to put away 188pound guys- now would easily KO VITALI and CORRIE SANDERS and WLAD our greatest. ARCHIE Moore was almost 50 weighin 191 (!) when he went 4 rounds against ALIstooped Tko in 4th. You think Corrie SANDERS would need 4 rounds! lol. Corrie would blow them all out.

I can't even acknowledge your post on this anymore...Your talking like a blinded fan....How old are you

There is nothing worng with being a fan and making a case for your fighter but you also have to use your knowledge of the sport....Past has nothing to do with it

Ok I give up, lets pretend that ALi and Larry and Forman, despite not being able to put away 188-200 pounders, would steamroller over Corrie, Vitali and WLad. Lets dream on.

And by the way, Corrie was far ahead against Rahman and was still standing, the Tubbs fight was a bad night. Only one other loss, v Vitali.

But I give up.

Corrie Sanders isn't even that good and shouldn't even be mentioned in same breath as Ali or Holmes i don't know why you think he is all that he has quick hands but not very good defense an ok chin and thats about it


Boxers in Ali and Holmes era were tough and actually trained unlike bums today size makes no difference if your unfit and can't fight

[JT Rock]

Klit is a Big fish in a small pond period!!!!!!!!! He would not beat the best fighters of the past 25 years here is a list of guys that would have beat him IMO.

His own Brother Vitali Klitschko

Prime Evander Holyfield

Prime Riddick Bowe

Lennox Lewis

Prime and Mediocre Mike Tyson

Old George Foreman

Razor Ruddock

Even Frank Bruno might of waxed that chin

Tommy Morrison

Prime Oliver Mccall

Wlad is in the right place at the right time, and all you that are sleeping on Valuev better wisen up because Wladdy aint steam rolling over the Giant as you all think if Wlad wins he's gonna pay the price in the process

I don't know how you can overlook his skills!You give him no credit whatsoever!He could beat any of the fighters on your list.Wladimir is one of the hardest punchers ever in the heavyweight division and he is certainly one of the most technically skilled as well.I think the only thing you are basing your argument on is you believe he has a glass jaw, which isn't the case.I am sorry but there is only one guy on your list that might be able to outpoint Wladimir and that is Lewis, the rest would HAVE to score a knockout to beat him.

Thats my point all those could and more than likely would KO Klitschko.... Why would you even question that  He has been KO'D by lesser men

Its hard to give him credit.. Who has he ever beat in a big time fight Chris Byrd?? thats a joke he is a natural Middleweight.. Stop fooling yourself there is no new Wladimir Klitschko.. He has been in with lesser comp and hasnt been pressured except by Peter who floored him 3x and he went in to his whole spooked floundering rountine ... Again champion of a weak division does not get alot of credit from me.. Albeit he is warming up to me but I'm not sold yet,he's got aways to go IMO... Beat Valuev or Peter again and then I'll be impressed fight someone who is a risk to him..

[Klitsfan]

Klit is a Big fish in a small pond period!!!!!!!!! He would not beat the best fighters of the past 25 years here is a list of guys that would have beat him IMO.

His own Brother Vitali Klitschko

Prime Evander Holyfield

Prime Riddick Bowe

Lennox Lewis

Prime and Mediocre Mike Tyson

Old George Foreman

Razor Ruddock

Even Frank Bruno might of waxed that chin

Tommy Morrison

Prime Oliver Mccall

Wlad is in the right place at the right time, and all you that are sleeping on Valuev better wisen up because Wladdy aint steam rolling over the Giant as you all think if Wlad wins he's gonna pay the price in the process

I don't know how you can overlook his skills!You give him no credit whatsoever!He could beat any of the fighters on your list.Wladimir is one of the hardest punchers ever in the heavyweight division and he is certainly one of the most technically skilled as well.I think the only thing you are basing your argument on is you believe he has a glass jaw, which isn't the case.I am sorry but there is only one guy on your list that might be able to outpoint Wladimir and that is Lewis, the rest would HAVE to score a knockout to beat him.

Thats my point all those could and more than likely would KO Klitschko.... Why would you even question that He has been KO'D by lesser men

Its hard to give him credit.. Who has he ever beat in a big time fight Chris Byrd?? thats a joke he is a natural Middleweight.. Stop fooling yourself there is no new Wladimir Klitschko.. He has been in with lesser comp and hasnt been pressured except by Peter who floored him 3x and he went in to his whole spooked floundering rountine ... Again champion of a weak division does not get alot of credit from me.. Albeit he is warming up to me but I'm not sold yet,he's got aways to go IMO... Beat Valuev or Peter again and then I'll be impressed fight someone who is a risk to him..

Who has he ever beaten?I give up if you can't see he has beaten the best heavyweights there are out there I don't know what to tell you.I will ask you this one time, were all the shots that Peter landed on Wladimir legal?Nothing I believe will change your mind on Wladimir unless there is a time machine that he could user to go back in time and fight the so called best heavyweights in history.It is always the same thing always an excuse when he wins, Peter was to raw, byrd was a middleweight, Brock was to green blah blah blah........

[plinden]

Klit is a Big fish in a small pond period!!!!!!!!! He would not beat the best fighters of the past 25 years here is a list of guys that would have beat him IMO.

His own Brother Vitali Klitschko

Prime Evander Holyfield

Prime Riddick Bowe

Lennox Lewis

Prime and Mediocre Mike Tyson

Old George Foreman

Razor Ruddock

Even Frank Bruno might of waxed that chin

Tommy Morrison

Prime Oliver Mccall

Wlad is in the right place at the right time, and all you that are sleeping on Valuev better wisen up because Wladdy aint steam rolling over the Giant as you all think if Wlad wins he's gonna pay the price in the process

I don't know how you can overlook his skills!You give him no credit whatsoever!He could beat any of the fighters on your list.Wladimir is one of the hardest punchers ever in the heavyweight division and he is certainly one of the most technically skilled as well.I think the only thing you are basing your argument on is you believe he has a glass jaw, which isn't the case.I am sorry but there is only one guy on your list that might be able to outpoint Wladimir and that is Lewis, the rest would HAVE to score a knockout to beat him.

Thats my point all those could and more than likely would KO Klitschko.... Why would you even question that He has been KO'D by lesser men

Its hard to give him credit.. Who has he ever beat in a big time fight Chris Byrd?? thats a joke he is a natural Middleweight.. Stop fooling yourself there is no new Wladimir Klitschko.. He has been in with lesser comp and hasnt been pressured except by Peter who floored him 3x and he went in to his whole spooked floundering rountine ... Again champion of a weak division does not get alot of credit from me.. Albeit he is warming up to me but I'm not sold yet,he's got aways to go IMO... Beat Valuev or Peter again and then I'll be impressed fight someone who is a risk to him..

Who has he ever beaten?I give up if you can't see he has beaten the best heavyweights there are out there I don't know what to tell you.I will ask you this one time, were all the shots that Peter landed on Wladimir legal?Nothing I believe will change your mind on Wladimir unless there is a time machine that he could user to go back in time and fight the so called best heavyweights in history.It is always the same thing always an excuse when he wins, Peter was to raw, byrd was a middleweight, Brock was to green blah blah blah........

So true. They mixing in imagination when looking at the past. In order to diminish Wlad the say Corrie Sanders was "bum". This is discrespectful. And its amazingly untrue. WHY IF YOU HAVE BRING UP CORRIE dont you have to bring up Jimmy Young at barely 200 pounds or any of the other really small guys that Ali failed to put away. But give up. THe past is owned by imagination. So ALi can get knocked down by 190 pounder Cooper, but would easily KO Vitali? fine....