MArgarito and Williams at court

[El Gamo]

Olympian,your points are so far off that it makes me wonder whether you have actually read on anything on the subject. Everyone lined up to fight Floyd? After Cotto's last fight,he said he wanted Tony.and that is the ONLY time I've heard Cotto call anyone out. SSM has said he'll fight anyone with a title,Margarito gave up on that coward Mayweather a long time ago so where your information is from,I have NO IDEA.

And you have not been here long enough to say EVERYONE is shitting on Baldo now. I have never rated Baldo.He came along at the right time,end of. He's not a good fighter,not at all. And sonce when did Mayweather become so interested in fighting the "true" champ of any division? Go and see interviews with him,he only wants to fight the WBC champ,you are using an excuse which not even Mayweather uses.

[CutMeMick]

1st.What fighter from 140-154 isnt calling Floyd out?The fact that the guys at the top arent fighting Tony doesnt mean that they are running from him...

Thats cause PBF is the man to beat P4P #1, when your at the top people will go after you... As El Gamo put it hes beat the vet's of the sport hes beat the contenders/prospects and he deserves a shot at he Welter crown....

what do they gain by fighting him?

What did PBF gain by fighting Zab? A tarnished bullsh*t! IBF belt that was given back to Zab after loosing to Baldomir cause the IBF didn't get their cut off the pie?
If thats the case then tell me also what did PBF gain when he fought Carlos Rios and Justin Jukko (who happend to be coming off a loss) back to back?
When he was at 135? Neither one brough NOTHING to the table and I mean nothing..... But he still fought on.

I honestly dont see how Margo poses a serious threat to Floyd.

And thats what I'm saying if it's soooo easy to do then why doesn't he do it?
It should be a walk through the park for him and he'll shut everybody the FWOCK UP including me.

and it seems like all of the welters are chasing Floyd instead of battling it out.

Uuummm!! If you notice Margarito has spent his career at Welter and hes fought the vet's and the prospects/contenders. PBF came in with his name and his P4P status and got the lucky hand in and made the fights happen....

Margo isnt calling out Cotto.Cotto isnt calling out Hatton.Margo isnt calling out Mosley.None of them want to risk losing there chance to fight Floyd.

As for Margarito vs. Cotto we'll that would be due to this 'mandatory' fight that Margarito is going through.

Cotto vs. Hatton. Uuuummm!! Cottos at 147 Hattons at 140. Why would Cotto call out Hatton it's obvious Hattons not moving up and Cottos not going down... As I said many times the best way for this fight to happen would be at a catch weight half way between 140 & 147... That way theres no advantages for either one...

Incase you missed the SMM interview heres a quick briefing on it: "I ain't ready to fight Margarito right now I still need some warm up fights at 147 then we'll see. But whats Zab's excuse for not fighting him?"
So theres that.

And I don't have to repeat Baldomirs excuse to you I posted it in the other post he was basically after $$$.

2.Fact it takes TWO to sell tickets...and the fight was held in Atlantic city b/c it had a large Gatti fan base...

Exactly. So where do you come off saying Margarito can't sell arenas if PBF is probably worst.....
I wont deny that PBF added to the equation but you just gotta think, Gatti sold that place out by fighting Thomas Daamgard I mean this guy had never fought in the US before no one knew who he was.

but its a major boxing city.

And Vegas is what?
Fact is Atlantic city sold out cause of Gatti. Hes sold that place out many times.....

The DLH vs Floyd fight is projected to break records...are you saying Floyd has nothing to do with thisIf so....YOU are delusional.

I've never said that, so no I'm not delusional.... It's breaking reacords because of the status of ODLH and the fact that PBF runs his mouth like it's the last day hes gonna talk..... He turned into the vilan and is doing wonders BUT hes been the vilan many times before and the end result hasn't been the same... I mean people got up from their seats before his fight was over.... Thats just fwocken hillarious!! I mean I don't get it...

3.As for the predictions...all of a sudden nobody wants to stick by their decision.I believe the poll had around 50% of the people saying Oscar by KO.Come May 6th...there will be so many excuses as to why they were wrong.

I predicted a OLDH KO. Yup! thats me....
And I'll be here May 5th regardless of the outcome....
No excuses, If PBF wins I personally will praise him for it and will credit him with the win...

4.Answer this...why is Cotto fighting Zab if he has no power and is washed up?

You obviously don't know half of me cause I'm asking the same freakin' question...
Why in the hell is Cotto waisting his time with a has been? Theres no need for Cotto to do so, but if you check out this thread my view on this will be more clear.

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxing_fo...-t43170.0.html

So you see even if it is one of my fighters I will still point out their wrong doings if I feel it's wrong....

Again this isn't about Margarito being GREAT it's about him having his shot at being great.... and he deserves it... How did Baldomir deserve to fight Zab that night?
How did PBF after beating Zab who had just been beat by Baldomir deserve a shot if he had only had 2 fights at Welterweight. 1 against Sharmba who had only fought one at Welter? Why didn't PBF face a real Welter when Margarito was there?
Hatton jumped into the Welterweight div. and fought Collazo who at least was a champ and a natural Welter. PBF jumps into the Welters and takes on Sharmba...

[Olympian904]

1st.What fighter from 140-154 isnt calling Floyd out?The fact that the guys at the top arent fighting Tony doesnt mean that they are running from him...

Thats cause PBF is the man to beat P4P #1, when your at the top people will go after you... As El Gamo put it hes beat the vet's of the sport hes beat the contenders/prospects and he deserves a shot at he Welter crown....

what do they gain by fighting him?

What did PBF gain by fighting Zab? A tarnished bullsh*t! IBF belt that was given back to Zab after loosing to Baldomir cause the IBF didn't get their cut off the pie?
If thats the case then tell me also what did PBF gain when he fought Carlos Rios and Justin Jukko (who happend to be coming off a loss) back to back?
When he was at 135? Neither one brough NOTHING to the table and I mean nothing..... But he still fought on.

I honestly dont see how Margo poses a serious threat to Floyd.

And thats what I'm saying if it's soooo easy to do then why doesn't he do it?
It should be a walk through the park for him and he'll shut everybody the FWOCK UP including me.

and it seems like all of the welters are chasing Floyd instead of battling it out.

Uuummm!! If you notice Margarito has spent his career at Welter and hes fought the vet's and the prospects/contenders. PBF came in with his name and his P4P status and got the lucky hand in and made the fights happen....

Margo isnt calling out Cotto.Cotto isnt calling out Hatton.Margo isnt calling out Mosley.None of them want to risk losing there chance to fight Floyd.

As for Margarito vs. Cotto we'll that would be due to this 'mandatory' fight that Margarito is going through.

Cotto vs. Hatton. Uuuummm!! Cottos at 147 Hattons at 140. Why would Cotto call out Hatton it's obvious Hattons not moving up and Cottos not going down... As I said many times the best way for this fight to happen would be at a catch weight half way between 140 & 147... That way theres no advantages for either one...

Incase you missed the SMM interview heres a quick briefing on it: "I ain't ready to fight Margarito right now I still need some warm up fights at 147 then we'll see. But whats Zab's excuse for not fighting him?"
So theres that.

And I don't have to repeat Baldomirs excuse to you I posted it in the other post he was basically after $$$.

2.Fact it takes TWO to sell tickets...and the fight was held in Atlantic city b/c it had a large Gatti fan base...

Exactly. So where do you come off saying Margarito can't sell arenas if PBF is probably worst.....
I wont deny that PBF added to the equation but you just gotta think, Gatti sold that place out by fighting Thomas Daamgard I mean this guy had never fought in the US before no one knew who he was.

but its a major boxing city.

And Vegas is what?
Fact is Atlantic city sold out cause of Gatti. Hes sold that place out many times.....

The DLH vs Floyd fight is projected to break records...are you saying Floyd has nothing to do with thisIf so....YOU are delusional.

I've never said that, so no I'm not delusional.... It's breaking reacords because of the status of ODLH and the fact that PBF runs his mouth like it's the last day hes gonna talk..... He turned into the vilan and is doing wonders BUT hes been the vilan many times before and the end result hasn't been the same... I mean people got up from their seats before his fight was over.... Thats just fwocken hillarious!! I mean I don't get it...

3.As for the predictions...all of a sudden nobody wants to stick by their decision.I believe the poll had around 50% of the people saying Oscar by KO.Come May 6th...there will be so many excuses as to why they were wrong.

I predicted a OLDH KO. Yup! thats me....
And I'll be here May 5th regardless of the outcome....
No excuses, If PBF wins I personally will praise him for it and will credit him with the win...

4.Answer this...why is Cotto fighting Zab if he has no power and is washed up?

You obviously don't know half of me cause I'm asking the same freakin' question...
Why in the hell is Cotto waisting his time with a has been? Theres no need for Cotto to do so, but if you check out this thread my view on this will be more clear.

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxing_fo...-t43170.0.html

So you see even if it is one of my fighters I will still point out their wrong doings if I feel it's wrong....

Again this isn't about Margarito being GREAT it's about him having his shot at being great.... and he deserves it... How did Baldomir deserve to fight Zab that night?
How did PBF after beating Zab who had just been beat by Baldomir deserve a shot if he had only had 2 fights at Welterweight. 1 against Sharmba who had only fought one at Welter? Why didn't PBF face a real Welter when Margarito was there?
Hatton jumped into the Welterweight div. and fought Collazo who at least was a champ and a natural Welter. PBF jumps into the Welters and takes on Sharmba...

1.People actually wanted to see the Zab vs. PBF fight.They have history together,they disliked each other,and people thought Zab matched PBF in all aspects of the game.WHich is why the fight happened.
2.You want to see PBF vs. Margo so Floyd can prove something to YOU??lol.I dont think Malignaggi poses a serious threat to Floyd...so does that mean he has to fight Malignaggi b/c some guy on a forum wants to see it happen?
3.Margo spent his career battling all of these good boxers??well who are they?Floyds boxing skills speak for themselves...I dont see how you implied that he is doing well based on his name and management...so how is this even in question?
4.Hatton is willing to go to 147 to fight Floyd...so fighting at a catch weight is not a problem for him and cotto.
5.When anyone else calls Floyd out they are"challenging the best"...but when Baldo did it he was "chasing $$$".Baldo made the right move...he beat Zab...he beat Gatti...and he was recognized as the best welterweight.How is this even a debate??
6.For you to say Floyd isnt a major drawLemme guess Baldo and Zab brought in all of the fans in their fight too right.The Gatti vs. PBF fight in AC was HBO's idea....Floyd said that he would humiliate Gatti in front of his fans.
7.During the Baldo fight people got up from their seats b/c they either 1.came to see PBF lose 2.Came to see a Brawl period.You ask Andre Ward,Roy Jones,Winky Wright and anyother real boxer...they all enjoyed the Baldo fight.The ones who didnt came to see a wrestling match.
8.You predicted an Oscar KO...and your gonna be wrong.I just want to know how you came up with this..?
9.Floyd ducking anyone doesnt make sense...The Zab vs Baldo fight happened because Zab's camp thought that Zab would walk through him.You asked how did Floyd deserve a shot after only 2 fights in the division.HAHA.He could bump down to 140 and take on the champ because of his status.
....Ask Roy Jones,Ali,Sugar Ray,Andre Ward,Andre Berto,Hagler,...they all have been quoted saying that Floyd is the best in the sport right now.That should tell you something.

[CutMeMick]

1.People actually wanted to see the Zab vs. PBF fight.They have history together,they disliked each other,and people thought Zab matched PBF in all aspects of the game.WHich is why the fight happened.

Well the people also wanted to see Margarito vs. Zab and it didnt happen, Margarito vs. PBF and it hasn't happened.... Boxing is about rankings and deserving a shot! because Zab matched PBF in aspect of the sport is the reason the fight came off.... Do you not see the logic in that? A fight came off because their aspects/skills match.... Lets throw the fact that he just lost out the window... Now that makes a lot sense to me....

2.You want to see PBF vs. Margo so Floyd can prove something to YOU??lol.I dont think Malignaggi poses a serious threat to Floyd...so does that mean he has to fight Malignaggi b/c some guy on a forum wants to see it happen?

If you notice I said he could shut "EVERYBODY" the fwock up inlcuding me cause I'm part of that EVERYBODY.
No cause Paulie hasn't fought any vets of the sport or any contenders (only 1 Cherry) his biggest name is Cotto and it's a loss....
But see PBF vs. Margarito isn't about me in this forum it's about the fact that it was in every fourm in every site it was the fight to be made...

3.Margo spent his career battling all of these good boxers??well who are they?Floyds boxing skills speak for themselves...I dont see how you implied that he is doing well based on his name and management...so how is this even in question?

I was merely pointing out the fact that Margarito had been in the top 3 Welters for a while and was ready to fight Zab, then he lost and Margarito wanted Baldo he turned it down, the PBF turned it down... All I'm saying is this Margarito was and has been standing in line for his shot at the Welter crown he hasn't gotten it yet... Hopefully after he beat Williams whomever is at the top will notice Margarito and will give him a shot! at the crown....

4.Hatton is willing to go to 147 to fight Floyd...so fighting at a catch weight is not a problem for him and cotto.

Thats what I just said.... Look...

Margo isnt calling out Cotto.Cotto isnt calling out Hatton.Margo isnt calling out Mosley.None of them want to risk losing there chance to fight Floyd.

Cotto vs. Hatton. Uuuummm!! Cottos at 147 Hattons at 140. Why would Cotto call out Hatton it's obvious Hattons not moving up and Cottos not going down... As I said many times the best way for this fight to happen would be at a catch weight half way between 140 & 147... That way theres no advantages for either one...

5.When anyone else calls Floyd out they are"challenging the best"...but when Baldo did it he was "chasing $$$".Baldo made the right move...he beat Zab...he beat Gatti...and he was recognized as the best welterweight.How is this even a debate??

Again I'm not sure if your in the loop of things but go to YouTube and search Baldomir or run it on google theres an interview where they ask Baldomir: "Margarito has offered a fight to you and says hes ready to fight you the money is there and the date is avaible, what do you say to that?" his answer was he said he was there to make the best of it, "He (Margarito) and I talk hes my friend and I told him I wasn't going to fight him and I told him why I'm here to make the best of this" which means $$$$ fighting PBF thats why I brought up money. I never said Baldomir wasn't he was cause he beat Zab and beat Gatti..... But the money thing happend right after his fight with Zab....

6.For you to say Floyd isnt a major drawLemme guess Baldo and Zab brought in all of the fans in their fight too right.The Gatti vs. PBF fight in AC was HBO's idea....Floyd said that he would humiliate Gatti in front of his fans.

Thats cause he isn't thats what hes always wanted media draw he doesn't have it.....
ODLH thats a draw, Lennox thats a draw, PAC thats a draw. Shit! I'm willing to bet Arce draws a bigger crowd then PBF.
So you think PBF would draw a bigger crowd then Margarito fighting in Tijuana?
You can't be serious Margarito would have that bull ring in TJ topped off with people... PBFs fan base are hardcore fans and they are not that many, Margarito just needs to announce hes fighting in TJ and regardless who he fights all of TJ will be there that shit! will sell out.....
And I'll repeat it PBF does add something to the fights cause he is P4P but don't hack at Margarito when PBF is just as bad....

7.During the Baldo fight people got up from their seats b/c they either 1.came to see PBF lose 2.Came to see a Brawl period.You ask Andre Ward,Roy Jones,Winky Wright and anyother real boxer...they all enjoyed the Baldo fight.The ones who didnt came to see a wrestling match.

The point is they left...
So that itself tells you how big of a DRAW PBF is.... I don't need to ask anyone anything I saw the fight (DID NOT BUY THE PPPV) whoever paid money for that shit! deserves to be slapped... I mean the undecard to that was Williams vs. Pakau $49.95 for that...

8.You predicted an Oscar KO...and your gonna be wrong.I just want to know how you came up with this..?

If I'am I'am and I'll be here so you could laugh at me and tell me how wrong I was...
How I came up to this conclusion well it's a pretty long explanation but to sum it up....
I just think ODLH is strong enough to do that and one of my favorite sayings is...
"Where theres a will theres a way" and ODLH has that will....

9.Floyd ducking anyone doesnt make sense...The Zab vs Baldo fight happened because Zab's camp thought that Zab would walk through him.You asked how did Floyd deserve a shot after only 2 fights in the division.HAHA.He could bump down to 140 and take on the champ because of his status.

I already answered thiss Zab vs. PBF question at the top....
And yeah! that moving up and down and facing the champ. he can do that hes P4P#1...
But he also has to take the heat that the other Champs. and contenders bring to him he runs his mouth and all that comes to him he should be ready for....

....Ask Roy Jones,Ali,Sugar Ray,Andre Ward,Andre Berto,Hagler,...they all have been quoted saying that Floyd is the best in the sport right now.That should tell you something.

Add me to the list cause he is.
Not sure why you make this statement like if I said otherwise...
Hes P4P#1 and thats why people gun for him the same way they gunned for SRR, RJJ, Lopez, ODLH, Pernell.... And they all responded by facing the best PBF is about to face one od the best of this time I put nothing on this ODLH is old and all that ODLH is in the fight he can pull it off IMO and has a really good chance....

[Olympian904]

1.Who wanted to see Margo vs Zab?Who wanted to see Margo vs PBF?Other than Arum...name anyone connected in the boxing world who publicly stated that they wanted to see the fight happen.The ONLY time i've heard of a pbf vs margo fight is on this board.
2.You think that if Floyd fought Margo...he would all of a sudden stop being criticized??The forum and the boxing industry are two completely different things.
3.He hasnt earned his spot!Plain and simple.Instead of whining about everyone ducking him.
4.I said that the Hatton vs Cotto fight could take place at 147.
6.Tijuana has nothing to do with Floyd!Thats like saying do you think Margo could sell out an arena in Atlantic City.You cant be serious about Margo being a bigger draw than Floyd.Some complain about Floyd's fights...yet he always seems to fill up seats.Why is that?
7.Its obvious that you arent a boxer...Floyd put on a boxing clinic!You must have hoped for a wrestling brawl.
9.Take what heat?They need him...he doesnt need them.He is on a different level than these"challengers" and I thought the Baldo fight proved this.
If Floyd wins...are you going to say that DLH was past his prime and old?

[CutMeMick]

1.Who wanted to see Margo vs Zab?Who wanted to see Margo vs PBF?Other than Arum...name anyone connected in the boxing world who publicly stated that they wanted to see the fight happen.The ONLY time i've heard of a pbf vs margo fight is on this board.

Not only in this board but MANY boards, sites and go to you tube and see how many videos surfaced about the fight...... And the talks of it....

2.You think that if Floyd fought Margo...he would all of a sudden stop being criticized??The forum and the boxing industry are two completely different things.

Nope he wouldn't but if he hasn't cared all this time why should he care about what will be said if he fought Margarito?
Margarito is a champ. Natural Welter. hes at least been there for years....
Whats was Sharmba a natural Light Welter?
Zab coming off a loss and fighting PBF cause their aspects/skills were similar...

2.You think that if Floyd fought Margo...he would all of a sudden stop being criticized??The forum and the boxing industry are two completely different things.
3.He hasnt earned his spot!Plain and simple.Instead of whining about everyone ducking him.

Hes was ranked in the top 3 of the Welters around 2005 at 1 point #2 right behind Zab, hes now on avg. ranked #4 in most ranking sys. Hes beat vets & prospects hes been there all this time. Yet none of the champs. seem to pay attention to him.

4.I said that the Hatton vs Cotto fight could take place at 147.

It could, and if it does Hatton would be practically shooting himself in the foot.....

6.Tijuana has nothing to do with Floyd!Thats like saying do you think Margo could sell out an arena in Atlantic City.

I didn't mean PBF to sell out Tijuana or Margarito to sell out AC..... OK let me re-explain this for you more in depth....
(Not taking into consideration opposition)
For PBF to fight in ANY venue he chooses to in the world.
For Margarito to announce hes fightinig in Tijuana.
Who would you put your money on that would sell out the venue?
My moneys on that Margarito sells out the Bull Ring all pf TJ would be there....
Whos gonna fill up the venue for PBF.

You cant be serious about Margo being a bigger draw than Floyd.Some complain about Floyd's fights...yet he always seems to fill up seats.Why is that?

I'am not saying Margarito is a bigger draw overall, what I am saying is if he were to fight in TJ compared to PBF fighting anywhere else... And for the record your the one who was hacking Margarito not being a draw and I responded with people leaving PBF's fight... You gave me some excuses about what people expected to see. The fact of the matter is that these werent just any people these were boxing fans who just got bored and said ah! the hell with my $1,000 dollar seat they can keep my money but ain't sitting here any longer my ass hurts and I'm falling asleep....

7.Its obvious that you arent a boxer...Floyd put on a boxing clinic!You must have hoped for a wrestling brawl.

And you are obviously not reading my posts completely here it is again.

....Ask Roy Jones,Ali,Sugar Ray,Andre Ward,Andre Berto,Hagler,...they all have been quoted saying that Floyd is the best in the sport right now.That should tell you something.

Add me to the list cause he is.
Not sure why you make this statement like if I said otherwise...
Hes P4P#1 and thats why people gun for him the same way they gunned for SRR, RJJ, Lopez, ODLH, Pernell.... And they all responded by facing the best PBF is about to face one od the best of this time I put nothing on this ODLH is old and all that ODLH is in the fight he can pull it off IMO and has a really good chance....

I hope you read this and I'll add more to what I posted it right above. ^
Technically PBF was superb against Baldomir, he dominated thats great BUT we already know that...
SRL was THAT guy back then, we knew he could outbox you but guess what he proved he belonged and he proved he could bang against the best win loose or draw. Have you ever seen SRL vs. Hearns or SRL vs. Hagler?

9.Take what heat?

The heat of the media, the organizations, fighters, fans....
When your the best around it's part of the game....

They need him...he doesnt need them.

Does the name ODLH mean anything to you....
Don't you remember PBF started crying when ODLH said he wouldn't fight him that he was gonna fight Tito then ODLH said he was still looking for a opponent PBF started crying about it....
ODLH needs no one, he could have fought Margarito and the fight would have been made BIG...
So who needs who here? ODLH needs PBF or PBF needs ODLH? the answers clear

He is on a different level than these"challengers" and I thought the Baldo fight proved this.

Yes he is, PBF skills are by far the best and hes proved it against the quality of opposition hes faced so far....
I think Freitas at 130 had a really good shot at beating him around the year
1999-2000
Juarez (trainer) was preparing Freitas for PBF as they were gonna start making the deal for the fight but PBF instead fought Carlos Gerena & Gregorio Vargas in that time instead of the WBO champ. Freitas go figure....

If Floyd wins...are you going to say that DLH was past his prime and old?

Again I don't your reading my posts completely here it is again right below.
I'm saying that some people are saying ODLH is old and is done...
I don't think that way I think ODLH is in this fight and is gonna surprise a lot of people come May 5th....

PBF is about to face one od the best of this time I put nothing on this ODLH is old and all that ODLH is in the fight he can pull it off IMO and has a really good chance....

[Olympian904]

1.Like I've stated...I've never been to the gym or a boxing event and heard "I really wanna see Margo vs Floyd"
2.Your right he doesnt care what is being said about him...so why would you say that he should fight Margo to shut everyone up then?
The Zab fight still went through b/c people thought that he could actually beat Floyd due to the fact that none of the so called "brawlers" could seem to do so.The Baldo loss was considered a fluke.
3.Who has Margo beat??Baldo an Zab were both ranked higher than Margo and look what happened.
Once again...true fans enjoyed the Baldo fight.The ones who left,left because they wanted to see a brawl.No matter how you chop it up.Just because you are at a fight doesnt mean that you are a fan.
4.It sounds to me like you are saying that since Floyd doesnt brawl he doesnt belong....?
9.What organization is he taking heat from?HBO is happy.As for boxers...they are either trying to get a fight with him,one of their friends lost to him,or want to be apart of his camp if they are criticising him.As for the fans...I dont know any athelete who isnt criticised.

[tedsares]

God I hope Margarito gets his butt whipped. I'm sick of his leagl troubles, his injuries, his excuses. Jusdt shut up and fight.

[yoitsdan]

Uhhhhhhh to many words in those early posts, 5am and drunk as hell, but anyway, the bottom line is, Margarito deserves his shot, and when he crushes Williams the same people who say Williams has earned his shot will then say that Williams was a nobody anyway, and that Cotto, Floyd, Shane etc. will destroy Margarito, but after he crushes Williams none of them will want to fight him anyway. Come on man, is everyone else blind?

[CutMeMick]

Uhhhhhhh to many words in those early posts, 5am and drunk as hell,

CC#368 yoitsdan

the bottom line is, Margarito deserves his shot, and when he crushes Williams the same people who say Williams has earned his shot will then say that Williams was a nobody anyway, and that Cotto, Floyd, Shane etc. will destroy Margarito, but after he crushes Williams none of them will want to fight him anyway. Come on man, is everyone else blind?

Exactly.

[Olympian904]

Uhhhhhhh to many words in those early posts, 5am and drunk as hell,

CC#368 yoitsdan

the bottom line is, Margarito deserves his shot, and when he crushes Williams the same people who say Williams has earned his shot will then say that Williams was a nobody anyway, and that Cotto, Floyd, Shane etc. will destroy Margarito, but after he crushes Williams none of them will want to fight him anyway. Come on man, is everyone else blind?

Exactly.

Who is saying that Williams deserves a shot at Floyd??
Who has Margo beat??Beat someone with a name first.

[shza]

Big CC to Olympian. You're making your points very well and IMO owning this debate against all comers, and these haters are sad clicking you left and right for it -- pathetic. So here's a step toward evening that up.

I don't want to lodge myself full-on in this thing, so I'll just make one point. Mick, I don't think you can be so dismissive of Floyd fighting Zab.

1. When the fight was first arranged, Zab was the undisputed linear WW champion. That's what the fight was going to be for. And tons of people on this forum (I think we've crashed at least twice since then, so I doubt the posts and polls are still here) were picking Zab to win, for exactly the reasons Olympian's giving and you're acting like aren't relevant (he's possibly as fast as PBF, but hits harder).

2. As Olympian said, everyone considered the Zab loss to Baldomir to be a fluke. He didn't take the fight seriously. This might sound familiar to you, cuz I really don't remember you screaming and yelling at Pacquiao for going through with his ass-wupping of your man Erik after Erik got way more dominated by Raheem than Zab did by Baldomir. (Seriously, explain why this is any different, other than that you hate Floyd and love Erik.)

3. People were basically right. Zab gave Floyd the closest fight he's had in years. He looked very good for the first 4 or 5 rounds, then Floyd figured him out. But (despite what a lot of people here claim to remember) I didn't see Zab totally falling off or getting dominated after that. He still looked sharp; Floyd was just too good and too smart.

4. I'm picking Cotto, but I won't be remotely surprised if Zab beats him.

5. And I'd put money on Zab to beat Margarito.

6. Because all you need to do to know that Margarito is an unimpressive boxer is watch his fights. You know, he got sooo lucky when Clottely broke his hand -- we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

[CutMeMick]

shza to clear up this whole SC issue you have, check this out look at your CC ratio and look at Olympians CC ratio.

[CutMeMick]

shza to clear up this whole SC issue you have, check this out look at your CC ratio and look at Olympians CC ratio.

Now check this out my ratio about 2 min. ago......

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My ratio now....

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I'm gonna take a wild guess here and try to figure out who would SC me....

[Puya]

I have just CC all of you ....Was that too much