Mayweather - Oscar ,anyone else not care ?

[Bx730NY]

Its the best fighter in the game against the biggest draw in the game - who is still one hell of a fighter. Doesn't live up to the superfights of yesteryears, but it will still be a very intriguing fight for anyone who is a boxing fan. I understand your points, but to go so far as to say you don't care is bullshit and you know it.

Best fighter? Not so sure about that, but definitely the holder of the title for best orchestrated list of beatable fighters . If this is PBF's last fight then I assume his book will follow" The Idiot's Boxing Guide to Creating An Undefeated Record & Fame While Staying Out of Harms Way. The problem is that ODLH may ruin the rough draft!

Nice Post

[Olympian904]

If he's not the best...then who is?

[Addicted to_boxing]

why do people hate on PBF for having great boxing skills. why brawl and take punishment if you don't have too.

His skill level / style is not the principle of suggestion but the fact that he has applied it to average competition. It's like being the Valor Victorian student at a continuation high school !

[Olympian904]

If his level up opposition is average(C+)...then all of those other welters must be at D-.Except Mosley.

[the phenom]

If he's not the best...then who is?

nnoone wants to respond because therse no answer ........ roy WAS not no more and i want to know why noone givs hopkins crap for nott fighting noone cuz he only fought a few top notch
fighters

[DaxxKahn]

If he's not the best...then who is?

nnoone wants to respond because therse no answer ........ roy WAS not no more and i want to know why noone givs hopkins crap for nott fighting noone cuz he only fought a few top notch
fighters

Actually until his Education of Felix Trinindad Hopkins was one of the least appreciated Champions out there

[the phenom]

^^^^^^^^ trinadad was only one guy

[Olympian904]

phenom what part of Florida are you in?

[the phenom]

phenom what part of Florida are you in?

hollywood, its between ft. lauderdale and miami

[Addicted to_boxing]

If he's not the best...then who is?

Simply put Olympian904 there is no best at the current moment. One does not have to exist if no one rises above the rest. I have read many posts in here from Sweetpea, CutMeMick , Gamo , you, etc and you guys have more competitive battles than PBF. I ask if there are 100 ugly women does one have to be distinguished as the prettiest?

[Addicted to_boxing]

If his level up opposition is average(C+)...then all of those other welters must be at D-.Except Mosley.

Pretty much on target !!! Why are you even putting him in Mosleys class when the core of PBF's success has been at lower weights. Not to say that he may not attain success later, seems you're putting the cart before the horse.

So he is the best because he rules this stable of opponents?

WBC
Floyd Mayweather
1 . Carlos Baldomir
2 . Julio Garcia
3 . Frederic Klose
4 . Jackson Osei Bonsu
5 . Alpaslam Aguzum
6 . Miguel Rodriguez
7 . Joel Julio
8 . Joseph Makaringe
9 . Arturo Gatti
10 . Julio Cesar Chavez Jr.
11 . Golden Johnson
12 . Luis Fernando Uribe
13 . Joaquin Zamora
14 . Irving Garcia
15 . Cosme Rivera
.

WBA
Miguel Cotto
1. Not Rated
2. Frederic Klose
3. Yuri Nuzhnenko
4. Joel Jair Julio
5. Carlos Quintana
6. Luis Collazo
7. Jan Zaveck
8. Oktay Urkal
9.Nelson Linares
10. Sebastian Lujan
11. Jackson Osei Bonsu
12. Delvin Rodriguez
13.Masa Bakirov
14. Golden Johnson
15. Miguel Rodriguez

IBF
Kermit Cintron
1 NOT RATED
2 NOT RATED
3 Paul Williams
4 Joel Julio
5 Mark Suarez
6 Carlos Baldomir
7 Walter Matthysse
8 Roberto Garcia
9 Carlos Quintana
10 Miquel A Rodriguez
11 David Estrada
12 Frederik Klose
13 Sharmba Mitchell
14 Ricardo Mayorga
15 Roger Medley

WBO
Antonio Margarito
1. Paul Williams
2. Michael Jennings
3. Jan Zaveck
4. Joshua Clottey
5. Joel Julio
6. Miguel Rodriguez
7. Carlos Baldomir
8. Luciano Abis
9. Tony Doherty
10. Zab Judah
11. Jesus Soto Karaas
12. Vitaliy Demyanenko
13. Hector D. Saldivia
14. Mehrduk Takaloo
15. Luis Collazo

And you claim to be a boxing expert ,,,,,, dude lay off the Cliff notes and follow the sport with your eyes wide open. Nothing here but "C" students ! His career will either soar or sour at this point? No kudos for kicking the sh^t out of average Joes.

[Olympian904]

If his level up opposition is average(C+)...then all of those other welters must be at D-.Except Mosley.

Pretty much on target !!! Why are you even putting him in Mosleys class when the core of PBF's success has been at lower weights. Not to say that he may not attain success later, seems you're putting the cart before the horse.

So he is the best because he rules this stable of opponents?

WBC
Floyd Mayweather
1 . Carlos Baldomir
2 . Julio Garcia
3 . Frederic Klose
4 . Jackson Osei Bonsu
5 . Alpaslam Aguzum
6 . Miguel Rodriguez
7 . Joel Julio
8 . Joseph Makaringe
9 . Arturo Gatti
10 . Julio Cesar Chavez Jr.
11 . Golden Johnson
12 . Luis Fernando Uribe
13 . Joaquin Zamora
14 . Irving Garcia
15 . Cosme Rivera
.

WBA
Miguel Cotto
1. Not Rated
2. Frederic Klose
3. Yuri Nuzhnenko
4. Joel Jair Julio
5. Carlos Quintana
6. Luis Collazo
7. Jan Zaveck
8. Oktay Urkal
9.Nelson Linares
10. Sebastian Lujan
11. Jackson Osei Bonsu
12. Delvin Rodriguez
13.Masa Bakirov
14. Golden Johnson
15. Miguel Rodriguez

IBF
Kermit Cintron
1 NOT RATED
2 NOT RATED
3 Paul Williams
4 Joel Julio
5 Mark Suarez
6 Carlos Baldomir
7 Walter Matthysse
8 Roberto Garcia
9 Carlos Quintana
10 Miquel A Rodriguez
11 David Estrada
12 Frederik Klose
13 Sharmba Mitchell
14 Ricardo Mayorga
15 Roger Medley

WBO
Antonio Margarito
1. Paul Williams
2. Michael Jennings
3. Jan Zaveck
4. Joshua Clottey
5. Joel Julio
6. Miguel Rodriguez
7. Carlos Baldomir
8. Luciano Abis
9. Tony Doherty
10. Zab Judah
11. Jesus Soto Karaas
12. Vitaliy Demyanenko
13. Hector D. Saldivia
14. Mehrduk Takaloo
15. Luis Collazo

And you claim to be a boxing expert ,,,,,, dude lay off the Cliff notes and follow the sport with your eyes wide open. Nothing here but "C" students ! His career will either soar or sour at this point? No kudos for kicking the sh^t out of average Joes.

I never claim to be an expert...I'm a boxer...but you obviously are...so your credentials are?
Floyd is on a higher level than all of them.After he beats people they become nobody....But at the same time...you ask people who williams,margo,and cotto have beat and they'll bring up theses washed up fighters.
Floyd has done everything right!His fight game is near perfect,he is undefeated,is dedicated to the sport,and is dominant.He is the best.

[Addicted to_boxing]

If his level up opposition is average(C+)...then all of those other welters must be at D-.Except Mosley.

Pretty much on target !!! Why are you even putting him in Mosleys class when the core of PBF's success has been at lower weights. Not to say that he may not attain success later, seems you're putting the cart before the horse.

So he is the best because he rules this stable of opponents?

WBC
Floyd Mayweather
1 . Carlos Baldomir
2 . Julio Garcia
3 . Frederic Klose
4 . Jackson Osei Bonsu
5 . Alpaslam Aguzum
6 . Miguel Rodriguez
7 . Joel Julio
8 . Joseph Makaringe
9 . Arturo Gatti
10 . Julio Cesar Chavez Jr.
11 . Golden Johnson
12 . Luis Fernando Uribe
13 . Joaquin Zamora
14 . Irving Garcia
15 . Cosme Rivera
.

WBA
Miguel Cotto
1. Not Rated
2. Frederic Klose
3. Yuri Nuzhnenko
4. Joel Jair Julio
5. Carlos Quintana
6. Luis Collazo
7. Jan Zaveck
8. Oktay Urkal
9.Nelson Linares
10. Sebastian Lujan
11. Jackson Osei Bonsu
12. Delvin Rodriguez
13.Masa Bakirov
14. Golden Johnson
15. Miguel Rodriguez

IBF
Kermit Cintron
1 NOT RATED
2 NOT RATED
3 Paul Williams
4 Joel Julio
5 Mark Suarez
6 Carlos Baldomir
7 Walter Matthysse
8 Roberto Garcia
9 Carlos Quintana
10 Miquel A Rodriguez
11 David Estrada
12 Frederik Klose
13 Sharmba Mitchell
14 Ricardo Mayorga
15 Roger Medley

WBO
Antonio Margarito
1. Paul Williams
2. Michael Jennings
3. Jan Zaveck
4. Joshua Clottey
5. Joel Julio
6. Miguel Rodriguez
7. Carlos Baldomir
8. Luciano Abis
9. Tony Doherty
10. Zab Judah
11. Jesus Soto Karaas
12. Vitaliy Demyanenko
13. Hector D. Saldivia
14. Mehrduk Takaloo
15. Luis Collazo

And you claim to be a boxing expert ,,,,,, dude lay off the Cliff notes and follow the sport with your eyes wide open. Nothing here but "C" students ! His career will either soar or sour at this point? No kudos for kicking the sh^t out of average Joes.

I never claim to be an expert...I'm a boxer...but you obviously are...so your credentials are?
Floyd is on a higher level than all of them.After he beats people they become nobody....But at the same time...you ask people who williams,margo,and cotto have beat and they'll bring up theses washed up fighters.
Floyd has done everything right!His fight game is near perfect,he is undefeated,is dedicated to the sport,and is dominant.He is the best.

Williams, Margo,and Cotto are unproven but they also have a good fan base, so until he beats them how is he better? Until he fights the "perceived" best out there how can PBF be considered the best. The boxers you mentioned above I assume are just as dedicated to the sport and dominant at times. And your reference as to boxers becoming nobody after PBF dust them off is ludicrous. Name some names :

1996
Oct. 11 -- Roberto Apodaca, Las Vegas, KO 2
Nov. 30 -- Reggie Sanders, Albuquerque, New Mexico, W 4

1997
Jan. 18 -- Jerry Cooper, Las Vegas, TKO 1
Feb. 1 -- Edgar Ayala, Chula Vista, California, KO 2
Mar. 12 -- Kino Rodriguez, Grand Rapids, TKO 1
Apr. 12 -- Robert Giepert, Las Vegas, TKO 1
May 9 -- Tony Duran, Las Vegas, TKO 1
June 14 -- Larry O'Shields, San Antonio, Texas, W 6
July 12 -- Jesus Chavez, Biloxi, Mississippi, TKO 5
Sept. 6 -- Luis Leija, El Paso, Texas, KO 2
Oct. 14 -- Felipe Garcia, Boise, Idaho, KO 6
Nov. 20 -- Angelo Nunez, Los Angeles, TKO 3

1998
Jan. 9 -- Hector Arroyo, Biloxi, Mississippi, TKO 5
Feb. 28 -- Sam Girad, Atlantic City, KO 2
Mar. 23 -- Miguel Melo, Ledyard, Connecticut, TKO 3
Apr. 18 -- Gustavo Cuello, Los Angeles, W 10
June 14 -- Tony Pep, Atlantic City, W 10
Oct. 3 -- Genaro Hernandez, Las Vegas, TKO 8
(Captured WBC super featherweight title)
Dec. 19 -- Angel Manfredy, Miami, TKO 2
(Retained WBC super featherweight title)

1999
Feb. 17 -- Carlos Rios, Grand Rapids, Michigan, W 12
(Retained WBC super featherweight title)
May 22 -- Justin Juuko, Las Vegas, KO 9
(Retained WBC super featherweight title)
Sept. 11 -- Carlos Gerena, Las Vegas, TKO 7
(Retained WBC super featherweight title)

2000
Mar. 18 -- Goyo Vargas, Las Vegas, W 12
(Retained WBC super featherweight title)
Oct. 21 -- Emanuel Burton, Detroit, Michigan, TKO 9

2001
Jan. 20 -- Diego Corrales, Las Vegas, TKO 10
(Retained WBC super featherweight title)
May 26 -- Carlos Hernandez, Grand Rapids, Michigan, W 12
(Retained WBC super featherweight title)
Nov. 10 -- Jesus Chavez, San Francisco, California, TKO 10
(Retained WBC super featherweight title)

2002
Apr. 20 -- Jose Luis Castillo, Las Vegas, W 12
(Won WBC lightweight title)
Dec. 7 -- Jose Luis Castillo, Las Vegas, W 12
(Retained WBC lightweight title)

2003
Apr. 19 -- Victoriano Sosa, Fresno, CA, W 12
(Retained WBC lightweight title)
Nov. 1 -- Phillip N'Dou, Grand Rapids, Michigan, TKO 7
(Retained WBC lightweight title)

2004
May 22 -- DeMarcus Corley, Atlantic City, NJ, W 12

2005
Jan. 22 -- Henry Bruseles, Miami, FL, TKO 8 *RECAP*
June 25 -- Arturo Gatti, Atlantic City, NJ, TKO 6 *RECAP*
(Won WBC Light Welterweight Title)
Nov. 19 -- Sharmba Mitchell, Portland, OR, TKO 6 *RECAP*

2006
Apr. 8 -- Zab Judah, Las Vegas, NV, W 12 *RECAP*
(Won IBF Welterweight Title)
Nov. 4 -- Carlos Baldomir, Las Vegas, NV, W 12 *RECAP*
(Won WBC Welterweight Title)

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm I see Soto, Baldomar, Mitchell, Judah, Corrales and Castillo ("B"). Which of these is an "A" line fighter ? A ""B" ? More like "C" line plausible fighters with slightly better than average talent and all exhibiting pronounced weaknesses and let me emphasize " slow afoot except Judah"

[Kel]

If he's not the best...then who is?

Simply put Olympian904 there is no best at the current moment. One does not have to exist if no one rises above the rest. I have read many posts in here from Sweetpea, CutMeMick , Gamo , you, etc and you guys have more competitive battles than PBF. I ask if there are 100 ugly women does one have to be distinguished as the prettiest?

You make me laugh mate.

Have a CC by the way

[Olympian904]

Addicted...what welter other than Mosley is an "A" fighter by YOUR standards?