Why De La Hoya Won't Win...

[Hairdoo]

Come on Bilboman don't get desperate. Oh F*** it ..the guy is not in their weight class Oscar is using him because of his incredible speed and boxing ability. I admit is crazy but hey anything to train for a win.

Remember this info came to me from a guy whose rummors are like 95% of the time are truth but that doesn't mean that his info is always from big fights or very inportant stuff. HE just told me two weeeks ago. and I said to him "no F****** way" and then he said "I couldn't believe it either but is true" if this info is a false well too bad but if it is true is a very interesting way to prepare for a fight.

Well if I'm not mistaken Golden Boy are involved with Guzman (who is fighting in May), Barrera or Marquez maybe? If you are for real then my money would be on JMM.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

bilbo my boy, u really think lean muscle aint that big of a factor huh? u obviously dont recall Oscar's "LEAN" muscle when he fought Sturm then LOL

It still won't make a difference imo but honestly anyone who thinks Floyd will win based on some bullshit purely subjective visual guess that he is naturally more muscular is just a moron.

Bilbo are you guilty of commenting on a topic without reading the full article?

Nah I read the whole article but it was the muscularity thing that really bothered me, mainly because its complete and utter bullshit.

Natural muscularity really doesn't have a great impact on boxing. A fighter needs to be in great shape but that doesn't necessarily follow that he must be muscular. Look at Calzaghe, barely any muscle on him and he's awesome, Cotto's physique certainly has more endomorph than mesomorph but he's strong as an ox for his weight. De La Hoya has never been a naturally muscular fighter but its never played a part in any of his fights ever.

Can you name one fight in history where the commentator has said 'He lost because the other guy was more naturally muscular than him'.

It's just an absolutely absurd suggestion and well worthy of coming from EastsideBoxing.com :P

Hahaha I porper laughed out loud at that last line.
Very good point Bill.

[supergenius]

Come on Bilboman don't get desperate. Oh F*** it ..the guy is not in their weight class Oscar is using him because of his incredible speed and boxing ability. I admit is crazy but hey anything to train for a win.

Remember this info came to me from a guy whose rummors are like 95% of the time are truth but that doesn't mean that his info is always from big fights or very inportant stuff. HE just told me two weeeks ago. and I said to him "no F****** way" and then he said "I couldn't believe it either but is true" if this info is a false well too bad but if it is true is a very interesting way to prepare for a fight.

It could not be the PACMAN. He is the only one I know who has both speed and ability.hehehehe.

[Puya]

LOL

"Red Sauce on Pasta" WTF

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

LOL

"Red Sauce on Pasta" WTF

Cant have it any other way mate

[Kev]

bilbo my boy, u really think lean muscle aint that big of a factor huh? u obviously dont recall Oscar's "LEAN" muscle when he fought Sturm then LOL

It still won't make a difference imo but honestly anyone who thinks Floyd will win based on some bullshit purely subjective visual guess that he is naturally more muscular is just a moron.

Bilbo are you guilty of commenting on a topic without reading the full article?

Nah I read the whole article but it was the muscularity thing that really bothered me, mainly because its complete and utter bullshit.

Natural muscularity really doesn't have a great impact on boxing. A fighter needs to be in great shape but that doesn't necessarily follow that he must be muscular. Look at Calzaghe, barely any muscle on him and he's awesome, Cotto's physique certainly has more endomorph than mesomorph but he's strong as an ox for his weight. De La Hoya has never been a naturally muscular fighter but its never played a part in any of his fights ever.

Can you name one fight in history where the commentator has said 'He lost because the other guy was more naturally muscular than him'.

It's just an absolutely absurd suggestion and well worthy of coming from EastsideBoxing.com :P

Hahaha I porper laughed out loud at that last line.
Very good point Bill.

lol returned, what was funny is that I wrote the comment about it coming from Eastsideboxing BEFORE I checked and posted it up. After I posted it I though I best to check the article again to be sure it came from Eastside.........sure enough

[jbirdy]

LOL

"Red Sauce on Pasta" WTF

Cant have it any other way mate

yes mate i am loving that red sauce on pasta thing. quality awesome movie aswell.

[Puya]

I don't care if you believe me or not but here it is OSCAR de la Hoya is using someone Faster and as skillfull or better that PBF as a sparring partner, I won't say who maybe after the fight, It all depends how you react to my comments. I'm not saying he will win every fighter has their own style and mind you can just try to imitate to help the other to prepare.

I guess my source once again delivered the truth. about couple days ago local papers here in Puerto Rico reveal that Oscar is actually using the person I describe. His name is Ivan "Iron Boy" Calderon.


And here is a good article on him by ESPN http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/box...ory?id=2630173.

[albsur2006]

Great read if your backing PBF!!

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/news.php?p=10536&more=1

CC 186 bro! interesting REAL TALK there

especially the weight issue... I hadn't looked at it that way.

I think Mosley as a sparring partner for Oscar is a very important element. "I'm probably the closest thing fighting to Mayweather right now, so it will be a good advantage for Oscar to work with me. I will get some fight tapes and study Mayweather and his style. I will be able to imitate him and help Oscar dismantle Mayweather." "This is for Oscar's benefit. I will not try to outshine Oscar because this is not about me. I'm going to do what I can do to imitate Mayweather. I will make it difficult for Oscar to hit me, like Mayweather will."

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/box...dan&id=2792836


According to Mosley him and Mayweather have had a lot of the same sparring partners and they told Shane that he is faster!!

http://forums.doghouseboxing.com/ind...howtopic=99644

Yeah can Mosley give a name of one of those sparring partners? There is no way Mosley is faster than Mayweather especially now. Also Mosley can't box like Mayweather, but I agree his speed will help prepare Oscar for FLoyd's.

Yeah, I agree with you. Shane has fast feet and fast hands and can throw some very fast flurries but Mayweather's speed is different, it's effective speed and amazing muscle reflexes. There's a total difference. I venture to say that if there could be some type of measurement for head and upper body movement that Floyd would be almost twice as fast as Mosley. Shane is fast on offense but he's no where near Mayweather in terms of defensive speed and elusiveness. Shane can get his offense off very fast but he also gets hit quite a bit. I think this is where ODLH will have problems with Floyd like everyone else has. Floyd isn't overwhelmingly unstoppable on offense but when you try to return and answer his punches, he's just extremely hard to find. Floyd doesn't have to use his speed around the ring, Floyd can sit in the pocket in the middle of the ring and he's hard to hit, Floyd can sit on the ropes, and he's hard to hit. Oscar can train with whoever he wants to throw as many jabs as he wants but he better be prepared to defend himself from right hand leads and pull counters after throwing each jab. Oscar is training to fight a smart fight where he can capitalize on Floyd's mistakes but Floyd doesn't make that many and his supreme boxing ability allows him to get by on the small mistakes that he does.

"Pretty Boy" Floyd Mayweather vs Ricky "Hitman" Hatton ~ December 2007

[Wacko3205]

I'll just bump this up once for the Saddoboxing contingant of Floyd's Fan Cub

I am not in the Floyd fanclub, but I am in the F*** Oscar club. But as we get closer to the fight I am getting nervous, Oscar looked super sharp against Mayorga.

Against Mayorga that doesn't count for much though. All I took out of that fight was that Oscar was letting both hands go. He moved straight forward and looked easy to hit.

Agreed with Hairdoo here.

If you want to bet against Oscar...don't do so based on the Mayorga fight. Mayorga's a glorified club fighter with one or two names on his record & more legit losses than wins.

If I were to have to make a comparison...I'd say this pulls in close to the Mosley fights.

I think that this is going to be more of a fight than most do...I think that Oscar's gonna bring the heat...but again...Floyd's alot more active, accurate, & accomplished than a Mayorga...so Oscar won't be able to land as frequently as he did against Chump-orga.

Floyd sure as shit won't hang his chin out there & act like a gotdam numbskull all night...you can bet your asses on that.

[BIG H]

Only just seen this - CC Hairdoo - Great read fella

[Howlin Mad Missy]

Mosely is a good comparison but I felt ODH fought those fights wrong anyway So if SSM is helping him I think that has to be positive move in the camp. From looking at the weight I see PBF keeping his weight down to maximise his speed advantage, I don't expect him to put on loads of water weight after weighing in.

[supergenius]

Mosely is a good comparison but I felt ODH fought those fights wrong anyway So if SSM is helping him I think that has to be positive move in the camp. From looking at the weight I see PBF keeping his weight down to maximise his speed advantage, I don't expect him to put on loads of water weight after weighing in.

There seems to be no problem with how DLH fought Mosley before. Mosley was just better and faster than DLH during that fight. The probability that DLH will lose against PBF is higher because I believe PBF is better and faster than Mosley.

[Puya]

Tito vs ODLH all over again? but this time is PBF on the track and filed?


I just saw the 24/7 special and both looked great of course PBF great speed. I got this love hate thing for the guy I Love the Attitude but hate his punk ass lol. Oscar as to bring his game but PBF has to take care of OSCAR powerful punch he is no Baldomir.