MAYWEATHER CONTINUES TO RAMBLE ABOUT MMA AND CHUCK LIDELL

[Punisher136]

i used to believe that but the more mma fights i watch with the boxing knowledge i possess the more inclined i am to say that it is easier for a boxer in mma than it is for an mma guy to box. There's a bunch of technical flaws i see in almost every mma fighter that a good boxer could capitalize on.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

That's true you can't compare the striking in mma and boxing, however boxers don't have to worry about kicks, knees and being slammed to the ground. Your basic stance is not the same so I don't expect boxing level strikes.

anyone else like to see Chuck fight under boxing rules? I would not to see how his technique holds up but more in relation to seeing how his power crosses over.

[TheBESTP4P]

its not apples and oranges to begin with.

the rules/concepts are totally different as missy pointed out.

chucks been known to not be in the best shape and so he just goes for the kill literally just throwing as many strikes over and over again until he collapses. theres no way he'd be able to do that for 12rounds straight.

also missy's right when i often fought in street fights many peeps i fought with thought we were gonna box so they assumed a conventional boxing stance when little did they know my right leg/knee was about to come up with a round house to their jaw and chin.

[bcollins]

i used to believe that but the more mma fights i watch with the boxing knowledge i possess the more inclined i am to say that it is easier for a boxer in mma than it is for an mma guy to box. There's a bunch of technical flaws i see in almost every mma fighter that a good boxer could capitalize on.

That's probably true, but most boxers have ZERO ground game, either. An MMA fighter might have a lot of technical flaws in his boxing technique, but so do a lot of professional boxers! But, if you get a boxer on the mat, without training, they won't last. Period. There's easily as much technique to grappling/wrestling as there is to boxing, and it takes a long time to learn even the basics.

I agree, though - the sports are fundamentally different.

[JMK]

[quote=Punisher136 ]

MMA sucked and was completely one-sided throughout the 90's because of ideas like this.

The emphasis isn't on the decade, it's on because of ideas like this.

MMA (which was still in it's NHB/style vs. style phase) sucked in that moment in time because it was predictable and one sided. Boxers (and virtually all other stand-up stylists) were easily taken down, kept there, and submitted. The sport evolved because of the incorporation of elements previously not practiced in any given one style. Up until that time, BJJ practitioners dominated the scene because the practitioners of other styles, wrestlers included, didn't understand submissions, and would inevitably get caught in one.

just because you can prove something doesn't mean its true. Given enough time and resources i could "prove" that you killed someone to the extent that the case would hold up in court. You have ample proof for YOU to feel confident about your viewpoint.

"Just because you can prove something doesn't mean it's true."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Know what I'm hearing when I see your "logic" in action? This: http://mama.indstate.edu/users/nizrael/midis/bigtop.mid

[JT Rock]

its not apples and oranges to begin with.

the rules/concepts are totally different as missy pointed out.

chucks been known to not be in the best shape and so he just goes for the kill literally just throwing as many strikes over and over again until he collapses. theres no way he'd be able to do that for 12rounds straight.

also missy's right when i often fought in street fights many peeps i fought with thought we were gonna box so they assumed a conventional boxing stance when little did they know my right leg/knee was about to come up with a round house to their jaw and chin.

Sorry bro, I got to disagree with you wholeheartly on that.... Chuck is a very calculating striker and counterpuncher, just like anyother fighter he steps it up when he smells blood in the water, but your comments about his style and conditioning couldnt be farther from the truth... If you can name me a fight or produce some footage of those habits than I'll kindly retract my statement 

This is taken from UFC'S sight under rules

http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=LearnUFC.Rules

Bout duration:  [Top]
All non-championship bouts shall be three rounds.
All championship bouts shall be five rounds.
Rounds will be five minutes in duration.
A one-minute rest period will occur between each round.


as you can see by the TOTAL time in championship rounds, Chuck is able to sustain his pace and still win via TKO or desicion

Taken from Sherdog.com is Chucks record

http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/f...?FighterID=192

Name Chuck Liddell
Nick Name Iceman
Record 20 - 3 - 0 (Win - Loss - Draw)
Wins 13 (T)KOs (65.00%)
1 Submissions (5.00%)
6 Decisions (30.00%)

Losses 3 (T)KOs (100.00%)

Association Pitfight Team
Height 6'2 (188cm)
Weight 204lbs (93kg)
Style Kickboxing
Birth Date 12/17/1969
City San Luis Obispo
State California
Country USA

[TheBESTP4P]

ok bro u my boy but ill respond to ya respectfully.

even in his rematch with TITO ORTIZ he had a gut and the commentators i think it was joe rogan at the time even was clowning him about that. i remember cuz it was one of my last "FREE" black box PPVS ahahhaha.

[TheBESTP4P]

if i recall correcly it was a 2nd round stoppage of Tito right? Chuck went for the kill and TKO'd Tito leaving his face all bloody and having tito drop to his knees thus having the ref waive it off. he was throwing mad strikes like no tommorrow and tito just stood there ahahhaha.

im not hatin on chuck bro! i give him more props than i give Tito ortiz actually. but we both know chuck cant throw strikes like that non stop for 12 rounds.

i know the ufc rounds are longer but theres also hella grappling and wrestling on the ground which is not to say its easier/harder than dancing for 3min.

i think u are misunderstanding me bro im a martial artist first and foremost i have it in my blood my fathers a 9th degree grand master in various arts. i got mad love bro

[Punisher136]

i used to believe that but the more mma fights i watch with the boxing knowledge i possess the more inclined i am to say that it is easier for a boxer in mma than it is for an mma guy to box. There's a bunch of technical flaws i see in almost every mma fighter that a good boxer could capitalize on.

That's probably true, but most boxers have ZERO ground game, either. An MMA fighter might have a lot of technical flaws in his boxing technique, but so do a lot of professional boxers! But, if you get a boxer on the mat, without training, they won't last. Period. There's easily as much technique to grappling/wrestling as there is to boxing, and it takes a long time to learn even the basics.

I agree, though - the sports are fundamentally different.

lol nobody's perfect. I'm saying it would take a high caliber boxer. Bum vs. Bum the mma guy probably wins.

[quote=JMK ]

MMA sucked and was completely one-sided throughout the 90's because of ideas like this.

The emphasis isn't on the decade, it's on because of ideas like this.

MMA (which was still in it's NHB/style vs. style phase) sucked in that moment in time because it was predictable and one sided. Boxers (and virtually all other stand-up stylists) were easily taken down, kept there, and submitted. The sport evolved because of the incorporation of elements previously not practiced in any given one style. Up until that time, BJJ practitioners dominated the scene because the practitioners of other styles, wrestlers included, didn't understand submissions, and would inevitably get caught in one.

just because you can prove something doesn't mean its true. Given enough time and resources i could "prove" that you killed someone to the extent that the case would hold up in court. You have ample proof for YOU to feel confident about your viewpoint.

"Just because you can prove something doesn't mean it's true."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Know what I'm hearing when I see your "logic" in action? This: http://mama.indstate.edu/users/nizrael/midis/bigtop.mid

thats a very enlightened quote if you think about it. Real proof of something doesn't need to be shown because it's obvious.

[TheBESTP4P]

hey punisher would if its the PIZAZZ guy tho??

[Punisher136]

hey punisher would if its the PIZAZZ guy tho??

he shows more than anybody else that something is proven without words lol

[TheBESTP4P]

hey punisher would if its the PIZAZZ guy tho??

he shows more than anybody else that something is proven without words lol

CC # 60 bro that shitttttt still cracks me up when im having a bad depressing day!

i think the pizazz dude actually had a promising amateur career until he went into music instead of going pro?

[pacdog]

why doesnt chuck say well floyd why dont you fight an amateur mma guy and lets see how you do? No one is saying chuck liddell is a great boxer but he can avopid takedowns and has wrestling ability, he just happens that he has better hands than most mma guys and has defensive skills to be taken down, sure a boxer would beat him but not in mma as the boxer has 0 ground skil;ls

[El Gamo]

http://www.doghouseboxing.com/Chee/CheeUFC_041907.htm

n regards to comparing UFC Champs with Boxing Champs, Mayweather stated: "UFC's champions can't handle boxing. That's why they are in UFC." Mayweather then added: "Put one of our guys in UFC and he'd be the champion. Any good fighter, he'd straight knock them out. Take Chuck Liddell. Put him in the ring with a (boxer) who is just 10-0 and Chuck Liddell would get punished. They wouldn't have a chance to grapple (us) because we'd knock them out."

White challenged Mayweather to settle this dispute by fighting UFC's lightweight champion Sean Sherk. "I used to talk like Floyd Mayweather when I was involved in boxing," White said. "I talked just like him, until I educated myself about this sport. These guys are amazing athletes, Floyd Mayweather is one of the best boxers ever, (and) Sean Sherk will whoop his ass in under two minutes." White remained confident, adding: "Any day that Mayweather wants to put his money and his ass where his mouth is, I'm ready," White continued. "If he wants to step up, let's do it."

Mayweather's response to a fight with Sherk was simple: "I'll beat him and come home and watch basketball. Why would I go into a sport paying hundreds of thousands when I'm in a sport paying $20 million?"

Good stuff! Would Floyd beat this guy?

[Punisher136]

i've never heard of the guy and floyd is the very technically sound boxer i say is required to do such a thing so im saying yes.