y dont people like slick boxers

[yoitsdan]

I like slick boxers like Malignaggi, Guzman, Toney, Mosley, Pea and Winky because they use their defence as a weapon.

....isn't boxing about HITTING 1st and NOT GETTING HIT 2nd?

I like slick fighters....but I'm not wrong in wanting to see them FIGHT and not just run around like they are high on crack.

Exactly my point, you can't win rounds without landing punches, but watching those guys slip the punches leaves you with your mouth wide open, and those guys also have a bit of a vicious streak in them, they wanna put their hands on someone. Guzman and Barrera are probably my favourite fighters to watch outside of Hatton and Cotto cos they have a pefect mix of defense and offense, and it all just gels together. The results are breathtaking.

[RozzySean]

I prefer fighter come into a fight with the intention of putting their opponent on the canvas. No, not exactly. I like fighters who that are want to land as many punches as possible. I like most of the guys you mentioned, and most of those guys do just that. Mayweather is the clear exception on that list. I like guys who come into fights looking for the KO, even if they don't have the power to get the KO. Even though Malignaggi has ZERO power, he engages and makes an exciting fight. Winky doesn't KO anybody, but I love his steady, relentless pressure combined with his defensive skill.

Many people don't agree with me on this one, but IMHO, if don't come into a fight trying to put hurting on your opponent, you aren't doing your job. For example, Floyd should have tried to stop Oscar. He dominated him, yet his fought a boring, overly defensive fight that made the outcome closer than it should have been on the cards. Had Floyd taken more chances and tried to stop Oscar instead of coasting to an easy decision, he would have won a UD by a large margin. Sure, I enjoyed his slick defense. I'm a smart, hardcore boxing fan and I appreciate that style, but to me it's lazy and a little boring. I prefer guys like Duran, Hagler, Frazier. That's why Shane Mosley is probably my favorite active boxer. He's slick and fast, but he lookes to engage. He'll take one to give three. I'm not a big fan of take 3 to give 1 guys. I love guys with defensive who still can brawl. I'd rather watch Kelly Pavlik any day over Floyd Mayweather. Pavlik could have run and pot-shoted his way to a UD over Miranda. Instead, he ate a few punches, took a few chances, and gave us all FOTY candidate.

[Scrap]

Its great to see a fighter who doesnt leave the parish to avoid the punch thats skill

[JonesJrMayweather]

why does everyone think that if you're a slick boxer you're a pussy? that's ego talking...it's just a way for guys who know that they're lacking in speed and footwork to try to bait the other guy in to stopping so he can land his best punch..

reminds me of morrales-raheem when after raheem tattooed him all night morrales stated after the fight

"he wouldn't stand still and fight me, he just kept hitting me and moving away"

and my reply to that would be that what he's supposed to do...dumbass

[Tito BHB]

who dont get hit that much. i mean its the name of the game fighters like

roy jones
mayweather
zab judah (fighter before the Kosta fought)
cory spinks
shane mosley


and its all ways the slick boxers who get the pound for pound 1
even if they are disliked.

its art work that these fighters practice.

Have you bought any of their tickets for their major matches?

If not, you have no voice.

I havnt either..

Do i have no voice?

Ive seen probably 80 odd fights between all those fighters and picked up obscene ammounts of news of these fighters having been a boxing fan for years..

Do i have a voice?

How many fights you been to?

Say you hate hatton..Im not saying you do..But use that as an example

Next time you want to talk about say hatton or hopkins or mayweather or gatti..

And you havnt seen them..

Let me just butt in and question your dedication and knowledge of the sport cos you havnt seen them?

You thnk that would be fair?

I dont..

So shall i or shant i do that?

[gyrokai]

who dont get hit that much. i mean its the name of the game fighters like

roy jones
mayweather
zab judah (fighter before the Kosta fought)
cory spinks
shane mosley


and its all ways the slick boxers who get the pound for pound 1
even if they are disliked.

its art work that these fighters practice.

Have you bought any of their tickets for their major matches?

If not, you have no voice.

I havnt either..

Do i have no voice?

Ive seen probably 80 odd fights between all those fighters and picked up obscene ammounts of news of these fighters having been a boxing fan for years..

Do i have a voice?

How many fights you been to?

Say you hate hatton..Im not saying you do..But use that as an example

Next time you want to talk about say hatton or hopkins or mayweather or gatti..

And you havnt seen them..

Let me just butt in and question your dedication and knowledge of the sport cos you havnt seen them?

You thnk that would be fair?

I dont..

So shall i or shant i do that?

Sorry for sounding like an @ss. cc man.
I might hurt your feelings again, but I don't mean to, I just need to get a point across.

I just mean.... people say they are fans... they say they love boxers like Mayweather..... but hardly any of those same guys buy tickets to their fights. Many fight fans travel over 7 hours just to see the fighters they love. And I hear a lot of people say their favorite is a defensive fighter... yet those type of fighters punch in front of empty seats all the time. I've seen Margarito, Morales, Arce, Barrera, and Pacquiao. Shook hands with Diego Corrales (I'm fortunate) and seen that jerk Larry Merchant (Unfortunate). I mean, it's a sacrifice, and I admit I haven't done it recently because I'm busy, the planning invovled, and the money, I'm not rich so I could never afford to stay in Vegas, I think I drove around 10 hours just to get there... but it's worth it to say I'm a fan and I paid the price to see them. People say they are fans to these defensive marvels, but their fans aren't as loyal as the offensive fighters. If your going to go to a fight that's going to possibly put you behind in rent, are you going to buy tickets to a defensive display of one punch action and feinting... or are you going to watch a valiant display of someone daring to be great, sacrifice his health, and who's going to work for it until he's stopped?

[El Kabong]

Here's my final thought on this topic HAVING A GOOD DEFENSE SHOULDN'T KEEP YOU FROM THROWING OR LANDING PUNCHES....IN FACT IT SHOULD HELP YOU LAND PUNCHES


My problem with most of the "slick boxers" is that they don't hit anyone.....EVER

[RozzySean]

Here's my final thought on this topic HAVING A GOOD DEFENSE SHOULDN'T KEEP YOU FROM THROWING OR LANDING PUNCHES....IN FACT IT SHOULD HELP YOU LAND PUNCHES


My problem with most of the "slick boxers" is that they don't hit anyone.....EVER

CC. You are an I are completely on the same page with this. I like Dawson and Paulie M and I would consider them both 'slick" boxer and they both lack power, but they throw and land. I'm sorry, you don't win fights by winning the battle of connect percentage. You win by hitting the other guy more than he hits you and when you make him miss you should make him pay, really pay. If that means you eat a flush shot once in a while, fine, but for god sake, let your hands go.

[Tito BHB]

who dont get hit that much. i mean its the name of the game fighters like

roy jones
mayweather
zab judah (fighter before the Kosta fought)
cory spinks
shane mosley


and its all ways the slick boxers who get the pound for pound 1
even if they are disliked.

its art work that these fighters practice.

Have you bought any of their tickets for their major matches?

If not, you have no voice.

I havnt either..

Do i have no voice?

Ive seen probably 80 odd fights between all those fighters and picked up obscene ammounts of news of these fighters having been a boxing fan for years..

Do i have a voice?

How many fights you been to?

Say you hate hatton..Im not saying you do..But use that as an example

Next time you want to talk about say hatton or hopkins or mayweather or gatti..

And you havnt seen them..

Let me just butt in and question your dedication and knowledge of the sport cos you havnt seen them?

You thnk that would be fair?

I dont..

So shall i or shant i do that?

Sorry for sounding like an @ss. cc man.
I might hurt your feelings again, but I don't mean to, I just need to get a point across.

I just mean.... people say they are fans... they say they love boxers like Mayweather..... but hardly any of those same guys buy tickets to their fights. Many fight fans travel over 7 hours just to see the fighters they love. And I hear a lot of people say their favorite is a defensive fighter... yet those type of fighters punch in front of empty seats all the time. I've seen Margarito, Morales, Arce, Barrera, and Pacquiao. Shook hands with Diego Corrales (I'm fortunate) and seen that jerk Larry Merchant (Unfortunate). I mean, it's a sacrifice, and I admit I haven't done it recently because I'm busy, the planning invovled, and the money, I'm not rich so I could never afford to stay in Vegas, I think I drove around 10 hours just to get there... but it's worth it to say I'm a fan and I paid the price to see them. People say they are fans to these defensive marvels, but their fans aren't as loyal as the offensive fighters. If your going to go to a fight that's going to possibly put you behind in rent, are you going to buy tickets to a defensive display of one punch action and feinting... or are you going to watch a valiant display of someone daring to be great, sacrifice his health, and who's going to work for it until he's stopped?

Back at you brutha..

Its cool..

Of course the most dedicated and able people go and see fighters and fights etc..
Hell i would if i could..

I go to alot of amatuer and domestic fights in the uk..

And hell i will attend some huge fights in future..

But it'l be a while till im earning enough to get my ass to vegas and hit the strip ..lol :P

But yet i devote most of my days to boxing

But alls cool bro

[killersheep]

I prefer fighter come into a fight with the intention of putting their opponent on the canvas. No, not exactly. I like fighters who that are want to land as many punches as possible. I like most of the guys you mentioned, and most of those guys do just that. Mayweather is the clear exception on that list. I like guys who come into fights looking for the KO, even if they don't have the power to get the KO. Even though Malignaggi has ZERO power, he engages and makes an exciting fight. Winky doesn't KO anybody, but I love his steady, relentless pressure combined with his defensive skill.

Many people don't agree with me on this one, but IMHO, if don't come into a fight trying to put hurting on your opponent, you aren't doing your job. For example, Floyd should have tried to stop Oscar. He dominated him, yet his fought a boring, overly defensive fight that made the outcome closer than it should have been on the cards. Had Floyd taken more chances and tried to stop Oscar instead of coasting to an easy decision, he would have won a UD by a large margin. Sure, I enjoyed his slick defense. I'm a smart, hardcore boxing fan and I appreciate that style, but to me it's lazy and a little boring. I prefer guys like Duran, Hagler, Frazier. That's why Shane Mosley is probably my favorite active boxer. He's slick and fast, but he lookes to engage. He'll take one to give three. I'm not a big fan of take 3 to give 1 guys. I love guys with defensive who still can brawl. I'd rather watch Kelly Pavlik any day over Floyd Mayweather. Pavlik could have run and pot-shoted his way to a UD over Miranda. Instead, he ate a few punches, took a few chances, and gave us all FOTY candidate.

Are you a Paul Williams fan then?

[Sugar_Shaw]

Boxing Ethusisast love slick fighters, its the casual fans who don't


Strange that my Top 3 fave fighters of all time are all slick boxers:
Roy Jonee Junior
Shane Mosley
Pernell Whitaker

i GUESS that make me an Entusiast

[global]

who dont get hit that much. i mean its the name of the game fighters like

roy jones
mayweather
zab judah (fighter before the Kosta fought)
cory spinks
shane mosley


and its all ways the slick boxers who get the pound for pound 1
even if they are disliked.

its art work that these fighters practice.

Have you bought any of their tickets for their major matches?

If not, you have no voice.

I havnt either..

Do i have no voice?

Ive seen probably 80 odd fights between all those fighters and picked up obscene ammounts of news of these fighters having been a boxing fan for years..

Do i have a voice?

How many fights you been to?

Say you hate hatton..Im not saying you do..But use that as an example

Next time you want to talk about say hatton or hopkins or mayweather or gatti..

And you havnt seen them..

Let me just butt in and question your dedication and knowledge of the sport cos you havnt seen them?

You thnk that would be fair?

I dont..

So shall i or shant i do that?

Sorry for sounding like an @ss. cc man.
I might hurt your feelings again, but I don't mean to, I just need to get a point across.

I just mean.... people say they are fans... they say they love boxers like Mayweather..... but hardly any of those same guys buy tickets to their fights. Many fight fans travel over 7 hours just to see the fighters they love. And I hear a lot of people say their favorite is a defensive fighter... yet those type of fighters punch in front of empty seats all the time. I've seen Margarito, Morales, Arce, Barrera, and Pacquiao. Shook hands with Diego Corrales (I'm fortunate) and seen that jerk Larry Merchant (Unfortunate). I mean, it's a sacrifice, and I admit I haven't done it recently because I'm busy, the planning invovled, and the money, I'm not rich so I could never afford to stay in Vegas, I think I drove around 10 hours just to get there... but it's worth it to say I'm a fan and I paid the price to see them. People say they are fans to these defensive marvels, but their fans aren't as loyal as the offensive fighters. If your going to go to a fight that's going to possibly put you behind in rent, are you going to buy tickets to a defensive display of one punch action and feinting... or are you going to watch a valiant display of someone daring to be great, sacrifice his health, and who's going to work for it until he's stopped?

This pay to play attitude is pretty crazy to me. I go to fights, I can't afford to go to my favorite fighters fights but I still go to smaller fights because I love to watch boxing, live at the event or on television. Anyone who appreciates boxing truely has a voice concerning it, because without them boxing wouldn't be important the way it is past competition. You've been to some big fights I'm assuming, have you seen some of the people there? They just want to say they've been to the big fight but you catch them not watching the fight and just talking the whole time, they shouldn't have more of a voice than some kid just getting into boxing and watching it on youtube, or someone who would pay the money to watch Hopkins-Wright. Or even a fight like Cotto-Judah because they want to watch some quality boxing and have a tool to turn some friends onto the sport.

[Tito BHB]

For all your slick badass needs..Please see below..

James toney

Also see

Toney - barkley/griffin one

That is all :P

[RozzySean]

I prefer fighter come into a fight with the intention of putting their opponent on the canvas. No, not exactly. I like fighters who that are want to land as many punches as possible. I like most of the guys you mentioned, and most of those guys do just that. Mayweather is the clear exception on that list. I like guys who come into fights looking for the KO, even if they don't have the power to get the KO. Even though Malignaggi has ZERO power, he engages and makes an exciting fight. Winky doesn't KO anybody, but I love his steady, relentless pressure combined with his defensive skill.

Many people don't agree with me on this one, but IMHO, if don't come into a fight trying to put hurting on your opponent, you aren't doing your job. For example, Floyd should have tried to stop Oscar. He dominated him, yet his fought a boring, overly defensive fight that made the outcome closer than it should have been on the cards. Had Floyd taken more chances and tried to stop Oscar instead of coasting to an easy decision, he would have won a UD by a large margin. Sure, I enjoyed his slick defense. I'm a smart, hardcore boxing fan and I appreciate that style, but to me it's lazy and a little boring. I prefer guys like Duran, Hagler, Frazier. That's why Shane Mosley is probably my favorite active boxer. He's slick and fast, but he lookes to engage. He'll take one to give three. I'm not a big fan of take 3 to give 1 guys. I love guys with defensive who still can brawl. I'd rather watch Kelly Pavlik any day over Floyd Mayweather. Pavlik could have run and pot-shoted his way to a UD over Miranda. Instead, he ate a few punches, took a few chances, and gave us all FOTY candidate.

Are you a Paul Williams fan then?

Define fan. I've seen him two or three times and I enjoy watching him, and I'm looking forward to his fight with Tony, but I like Margarito, too and I'm not sure who I'll be rooting for. I guess I'm a fan but not a fan-boy.

[gyrokai]

But yet i devote most of my days to boxing

But alls cool bro

Agh man I'm sorry. I only hit the strip once.

This pay to play attitude is pretty crazy to me. I go to fights, I can't afford to go to my favorite fighters fights but I still go to smaller fights because I love to watch boxing, live at the event or on television. Anyone who appreciates boxing truely has a voice concerning it, because without them boxing wouldn't be important the way it is past competition. You've been to some big fights I'm assuming, have you seen some of the people there? They just want to say they've been to the big fight but you catch them not watching the fight and just talking the whole time, they shouldn't have more of a voice than some kid just getting into boxing and watching it on youtube, or someone who would pay the money to watch Hopkins-Wright. Or even a fight like Cotto-Judah because they want to watch some quality boxing and have a tool to turn some friends onto the sport.

cc
I knew I'd feel bad about my post. heheh I was forced to watch the Cotto-Judah fight online a week later, I avoided all boxing news. But some dude said it went to the 7th round..... right when I heard that, I had a bigger feeling Cotto won. He ruined it, even more, for me. Because Miguel always turns up the heat at about the 5th. ....
... It sucks watching everything online. Promoters and HBO make it hard for us.