Hatton is handpicked by PBF... this is blasphemy, but please hear me out.

[gyrokai]

I've asked for a debate for some time... but I haven't heard any to my arguments.
I'm starting to guess few here know about boxing. ? Please prove me wrong. I want to hear your side. Not just say PBF is awesome. I want you to retort my thread and previous arguments.

I'm starting to think there are too many PBF fanboys here, same goes for Hatton fans...
Hey, I loved Morales, but I also predicted his loss to Pacquiao II and Barrera III. There's a fine line between being a fanboy and hardcore boxing fan. Note to fanboys, PBF ducked Margarito for a reason, called Shane a sparring partner for a reason, and hasn't fought Cotto for a reason too. This is turning into a PBF can beat Cotto, Margarito, Shane comfortably..... .... you guys are just wrong. I guarantee PBF won't prove it either.... not against Cotto or Margarito. (Maybe until one of them loses, he'll finally have something to say.)

[The Boxer]

everybody keeps saying PBF has trouble with the jab and that ODL was beating him with. yet if it was so effective why wasn't he able to stick with it. was it because like ODL said it wasn't the night of the Jab or was it because PBF hitting ODL in the face.

i do agree that PBF beats hatton fairly easily. my problem is that people were bitchin at PBF when this fight didn't happen before now all of a sudden people are realizing how easy PBF would beat Hatton and are saying PBF is taking an easy fight. i've always said that PBF outbox hatton. i used to be very anti hatton but i've come to like him and respect him as a fighter.

cotto on the other had boxes better than hatton. the thing with cotto is that he doesn't box well enough to outbox PBF. so if he boxes he'll get outboxed for 12rds and possible tkoed. if cotto tries to brawl he most likely be koed early. we've both seen cotto hurt by guys who were fast them him but seen by many not to be as strong or as hard a puncher. his win over judah definetly makes him a legit challege to PBF.

shane IMO is the biggest threat to PBF. his hand speed and ability to put his shots together could allow him keep PBF on the defense. at the same time PBF is dangerous when he on the ropes. plus shane can turn into a robot at times. shane had his chance to fight PBF but decline. then soon as his cash cow ODL say he fight shane then all of a sudden he wants to get in the mix. that some serious little kid shit.

i personly think margarito (who ) is getting to much praise for beatin cintron (no clue ). he has shown me nothing to warrent him being mention with the other guys.

[donnydarkoIRL]

When a boxer meets a puncher, sometimes the puncher will become frustrated due to his shots missing or being parried or countered etc. This will result in the puncher shortening his punches, attempting to ensure they land or land with optimium impact. However, this often results in the puncher neglecting to throw enough punches or combinations, or sometimes neglecting to throw a punch at all jab on May 5th last. Oscar threw the jab early and although it WAS the most successful of Oscar's armoury it was still landing below 50% and even when landing he was unable to follow up with 2-3 punches

[Dorfmeister]

shane IMO is the biggest threat to PBF. his hand speed and ability to put his shots together could allow him keep PBF on the defense. at the same time PBF is dangerous when he on the ropes. plus shane can turn into a robot at times. shane had his chance to fight PBF but decline. then soon as his cash cow ODL say he fight shane then all of a sudden he wants to get in the mix. that some serious little kid S***.

Just 4 the record, "The Boxer" has told lies in his effort 2 make PBF look like he's in a lose-lose situation chosing opponents... I understand that Floyd's Team and Fan Club want to convince everybody else dat he had no other option but Light Welter Ricky Hatton, but dat is a whole lot of bull and it doesn't work... Shane told Floyd when the lil brat wanted him dat he needed time to adjust back to 147 lbs after two fights against 160 pounder Vargas and dat would take sum time and a tune-up fight ( the WBC interim Welter title shutout win against Louie Collazo), Tony Challenged PBF and awesome self Miguel's willing to fight everybody but then you sau Arum is in the way. If you guys want to prove otherwise, let me tell ya something: Floyd only wanted Shane to get to dat ODLH fight, since he got it anyway cause Oscar didn't duck him like he's doing to Mosley, Tony and Miguel, PBF just ignores Shane and everyone now - This is quite simple, PBF fights a light welter 4 the IBO title, PBF gets stripped of both WBC 147 and 154 lbs titles, Shane becomes the new WBC Welter Champ and fights Kermit, Miguel or/and Tony or Paul to determine who's the best at 147, nobody will care about PBF claim to have P 4 P status or "All Time Greatness"...

[JonesJrMayweather]

shane IMO is the biggest threat to PBF. his hand speed and ability to put his shots together could allow him keep PBF on the defense. at the same time PBF is dangerous when he on the ropes. plus shane can turn into a robot at times. shane had his chance to fight PBF but decline. then soon as his cash cow ODL say he fight shane then all of a sudden he wants to get in the mix. that some serious little kid S***.

Just 4 the record, "The Boxer" has told lies in his effort 2 make PBF look like he's in a lose-lose situation chosing opponents... I understand that Floyd's Team and Fan Club want to convince everybody else dat he had no other option but Light Welter Ricky Hatton, but dat is a whole lot of bull and it doesn't work... Shane told Floyd when the lil brat wanted him dat he needed time to adjust back to 147 lbs after two fights against 160 pounder Vargas and dat would take sum time and a tune-up fight ( the WBC interim Welter title shutout win against Louie Collazo), Tony Challenged PBF and awesome self Miguel's willing to fight everybody but then you sau Arum is in the way. If you guys want to prove otherwise, let me tell ya something: Floyd only wanted Shane to get to dat ODLH fight, since he got it anyway cause Oscar didn't duck him like he's doing to Mosley, Tony and Miguel, PBF just ignores Shane and everyone now - This is quite simple, PBF fights a light welter 4 the IBO title, PBF gets stripped of both WBC 147 and 154 lbs titles, Shane becomes the new WBC Welter Champ and fights Kermit, Miguel or/and Tony or Paul to determine who's the best at 147, nobody will care about PBF claim to have P 4 P status or "All Time Greatness"...

that's some good shit you stated and when i say "good shit" I mean great posting...i agree...i love PBF but when he starting dissing one of my other favs SHane mosley who has never ducked "anybody" I mean never...PBF said shane has been ducking him since 1998 really pissed me off and I want nothing more in boxing than for that fight to happen....and if it doesn't then shane can just simply kayo cotto, beat margarito or williams and i could care less if floyd ever fights him and it will prove that its been floyd all along that has been ducking shane

[JT Rock]

shane IMO is the biggest threat to PBF. his hand speed and ability to put his shots together could allow him keep PBF on the defense. at the same time PBF is dangerous when he on the ropes. plus shane can turn into a robot at times. shane had his chance to fight PBF but decline. then soon as his cash cow ODL say he fight shane then all of a sudden he wants to get in the mix. that some serious little kid S***.

Just 4 the record, "The Boxer" has told lies in his effort 2 make PBF look like he's in a lose-lose situation chosing opponents... I understand that Floyd's Team and Fan Club want to convince everybody else dat he had no other option but Light Welter Ricky Hatton, but dat is a whole lot of bull and it doesn't work... Shane told Floyd when the lil brat wanted him dat he needed time to adjust back to 147 lbs after two fights against 160 pounder Vargas and dat would take sum time and a tune-up fight ( the WBC interim Welter title shutout win against Louie Collazo), Tony Challenged PBF and awesome self Miguel's willing to fight everybody but then you sau Arum is in the way. If you guys want to prove otherwise, let me tell ya something: Floyd only wanted Shane to get to dat ODLH fight, since he got it anyway cause Oscar didn't duck him like he's doing to Mosley, Tony and Miguel, PBF just ignores Shane and everyone now - This is quite simple, PBF fights a light welter 4 the IBO title, PBF gets stripped of both WBC 147 and 154 lbs titles, Shane becomes the new WBC Welter Champ and fights Kermit, Miguel or/and Tony or Paul to determine who's the best at 147, nobody will care about PBF claim to have P 4 P status or "All Time Greatness"...

You call 'The Boxer" a liar and you havent made one factual statement yet.... you are merely speculating about Shane... Shane said that Floyd should fight Margarito, Shane said his tooth was loose, Shane recently said he was leaning toward retirement.. THOSE WERE FACTS!!!!!

Floyd just finished fighting Delahoya almost 2 months ago!!!!! Tell me something Einstein, who was the last fighter you knew of to just jump into an agreement to fight another guy that soon, especially one of FLoyds caliber? Correct me if I'm wrong here but dosent Cotto have an agreement to fight Margarito depending on the outcome of the Williams fight??

Wake up man and stop the hate... The funny thing is Floyd is the closest thing to an alltime great (other than Mosely) than any of the fighters that you mentioned....

[JonesJrMayweather]

shane IMO is the biggest threat to PBF. his hand speed and ability to put his shots together could allow him keep PBF on the defense. at the same time PBF is dangerous when he on the ropes. plus shane can turn into a robot at times. shane had his chance to fight PBF but decline. then soon as his cash cow ODL say he fight shane then all of a sudden he wants to get in the mix. that some serious little kid S***.

Just 4 the record, "The Boxer" has told lies in his effort 2 make PBF look like he's in a lose-lose situation chosing opponents... I understand that Floyd's Team and Fan Club want to convince everybody else dat he had no other option but Light Welter Ricky Hatton, but dat is a whole lot of bull and it doesn't work... Shane told Floyd when the lil brat wanted him dat he needed time to adjust back to 147 lbs after two fights against 160 pounder Vargas and dat would take sum time and a tune-up fight ( the WBC interim Welter title shutout win against Louie Collazo), Tony Challenged PBF and awesome self Miguel's willing to fight everybody but then you sau Arum is in the way. If you guys want to prove otherwise, let me tell ya something: Floyd only wanted Shane to get to dat ODLH fight, since he got it anyway cause Oscar didn't duck him like he's doing to Mosley, Tony and Miguel, PBF just ignores Shane and everyone now - This is quite simple, PBF fights a light welter 4 the IBO title, PBF gets stripped of both WBC 147 and 154 lbs titles, Shane becomes the new WBC Welter Champ and fights Kermit, Miguel or/and Tony or Paul to determine who's the best at 147, nobody will care about PBF claim to have P 4 P status or "All Time Greatness"...

You call 'The Boxer" a liar and you havent made one factual statement yet.... you are merely speculating about Shane... Shane said that Floyd should fight Margarito, Shane said his tooth was loose, Shane recently said he was leaning toward retirement.. THOSE WERE FACTS!!!!!

Floyd just finished fighting Delahoya almost 2 months ago!!!!! Tell me something Einstein, who was the last fighter you knew of to just jump into an agreement to fight another guy that soon, especially one of FLoyds caliber? Correct me if I'm wrong here but dosent Cotto have an agreement to fight Margarito depending on the outcome of the Williams fight??

Wake up man and stop the hate... The funny thing is Floyd is the closest thing to an alltime great (other than Mosely) than any of the fighters that you mentioned....

in that same interview Shane also said that he'd already made plans prior to that fight to take a few trips with his family and he and floyd could fight later on that year...

[gyrokai]

everybody keeps saying PBF has trouble with the jab and that ODL was beating him with. yet if it was so effective why wasn't he able to stick with it. was it because like ODL said it wasn't the night of the Jab or was it because PBF hitting ODL in the face.

Thank You Boxer cc ! The second half, I think Oscar just got tired, as always, that old man. heheh. He just got tired of throwing jabs. He always gets tired, even when he was in his prime. I'm a fan of Oscars... well was, but even I have to admit, the man's stamina is not in question, it's without a doubt horrible for a professional. Oscar stopped the jab and everything, then Mayweather started landing. Thats what I think though.

i do agree that PBF beats hatton fairly easily. my problem is that people were bitchin at PBF when this fight didn't happen before now all of a sudden people are realizing how easy PBF would beat Hatton and are saying PBF is taking an easy fight. i've always said that PBF outbox hatton. i used to be very anti hatton but i've come to like him and respect him as a fighter.

Sorry about that man.
I used to be on the Hatton boat, until I saw Collazo rip him another azzhole. heh
Hatton had no answers for a boxer who backpedaled when he wanted to, I mean no answers whatsoever.
Yes Kostya and Castillo wins were very impressive, but at the same time when is Hatton going to look good against a youngster.
Last I saw he looked good against a "youngan" who was good, it was Michael Stewart, back in 2004. IMO. But let me just finish with, Hatton's no bum, he wins, but he has been managed very well... meaning, he hasn't fought many slickers provided there are not many though. I think Hatton can fight and possibly beat Cotto in fight of the year . (modified the red words)

cotto on the other had boxes better than hatton. the thing with cotto is that he doesn't box well enough to outbox PBF. so if he boxes he'll get outboxed for 12rds and possible tkoed. if cotto tries to brawl he most likely be koed early. we've both seen cotto hurt by guys who were fast them him but seen by many not to be as strong or as hard a puncher. his win over judah definetly makes him a legit challege to PBF.

Cotto won't brawl or box PBF, he'll be the same Cotto he's always been. He's as consistent as it gets. He's keeps up a pace, and systematically breaks the other guy down. He is chinny, but against Floyd who's naturally smaller and not known for his punch... Cotto won't get KO'd. Judah hit Cotto with is best shots and still couldn't finish. Cotto will connect, follow, and cut-off the ring,... it would make for a good fight because it would be a tough night for Floyd eventually.

shane IMO is the biggest threat to PBF. his hand speed and ability to put his shots together could allow him keep PBF on the defense. at the same time PBF is dangerous when he on the ropes. plus shane can turn into a robot at times. shane had his chance to fight PBF but decline. then soon as his cash cow ODL say he fight shane then all of a sudden he wants to get in the mix. that some serious little kid shit.

Shane is bad@ss. He's always given just about everybody a chance to fight him. Always honest. He has to know, personally that he doesn't have much time left... I think he's fought much harder recently.

i personly think margarito (who ) is getting to much praise for beatin cintron (no clue ). he has shown me nothing to warrent him being mention with the other guys.

If he just beat Cintron, that wouldn't be impressive. What's impressive is that out of all the welterweights, he's beaten more, and really hasn't lost at this weight in around a decade ? I don't know, it's pretty long. And during that time, he hasn't been taking on light competition, he has some unknown names that were real fights. He had to do it the hard way, fighting tough but unknown competition. Then after all that people still don't respect him much. Hopefully the results of Williams, or a Cotto fight... win or lose... will make fans realize this guy's dangerous presence. He's style is not pretty, it's not a beauty contest in there, it's the fight business and in this business, guys with will and determination always are a danger to any boxer, flashy, rich, smart, whoever it be.


Honestly, Thanks man, for answering. I think your the first to get what this thread is all about.
Answer back if you want to.

[Dorfmeister]

You call 'The Boxer" a liar and you havent made one factual statement yet.... you are merely speculating about Shane... Shane said that Floyd should fight Margarito, Shane said his tooth was loose, Shane recently said he was leaning toward retirement.. THOSE WERE FACTS!!!!!

Floyd just finished fighting Delahoya almost 2 months ago!!!!! Tell me something Einstein, who was the last fighter you knew of to just jump into an agreement to fight another guy that soon, especially one of FLoyds caliber? Correct me if I'm wrong here but dosent Cotto have an agreement to fight Margarito depending on the outcome of the Williams fight??

Wake up man and stop the hate... The funny thing is Floyd is the closest thing to an alltime great (other than Mosely) than any of the fighters that you mentioned....
[/quote]

Are you tryin to trick me with lil dog shit like Floyd's people do in da backstage or what? The funny thing is dat I like Floyd and think is a masterful boxer... Mosley fought Vargas who just had lost before to Tito ( 2000, 12th round TKO) and Hoya (2002, 11th round TKO) and the Aztec Warrior, Ferocious Fernando was 160 plus at fight night, Suga Shane finished him twice with TKO's ( 2006, 10th and 6th round TKOs), did you expect Shane do get down to 147 lbs just to please Floyd and not spend some moths with Jin and the 5 KIDS?... Floyd was showing luv & respect to Shane after the Vargas win and was applauding Hoya in front row as ODLH was outclassing Mayorga, now he should have faced Tony when the Mexican challenged him openly and Shane told him so but he didn't... Now, he got what he wanted and he's calling Shane a sparring partner ( cause he's hurt that Shane sparred with Hoya like the lil brat, unstable emotional 30 year old kid he is)... The facts are that when Shane faced Hoya he was 32-0, 30 KOs and he fought Hoya toe to toe in the middle of the ring, facts are that Shane is the WBC Welterweight Championship mandatory challenger and interim champion and if Floyd fights Hatton he'll lose that title and the 154 lbs title too, facts are that Shane knocked out all his lightweight challengers but S. A. 's Phillip Hollyday to win the IBF version back in 1997, facts are that Floyd won just 3 fights at 140 lbs ( including against one Henry Bruseles on the back pedal), 3 fights at 147 lbs ( including washed up Sharbma Mitchell and the horrible stinker against Baldomir & the baby cry fest afterwards) and 1 fight at 154 lbs. Do I need to say more, go fight the British Troll, fly, fly away...

[Punisher136]

Floyd was retired. I don't understand how you can "hand pick" an opponent that calls you out.

[Dorfmeister]

If Floyd is retired ( early May to late June - 2 damn months) then he can't hold both WBC 147 and 154 lbs titles or can he? Or can a "retired" fighter still be rated nº1 Ring Mag P 4 P, Welter Champ and Ring Mag nº3 Junior Middle in the World, please enlight me? The thing is dat Floyd can fight who the hell he wants, Henry Bruseles again, Ricky Hatton or Joel Casamayor as lond as his Fan Club members don't claim he's the best welter in the world, if he wanna be, he gat to fight the Top Dogs! And that includes Paul Williams, Punisher!

[Punisher136]

You can retire without vacating the titles. If he stays retired, when the time comes for him to fight a mandatory, the belt will be stripped form him.

[JonesJrMayweather]

If Floyd is retired ( early May to late June - 2 damn months) then he can't hold both WBC 147 and 154 lbs titles or can he? Or can a "retired" fighter still be rated nº1 Ring Mag P 4 P, Welter Champ and Ring Mag nº3 Junior Middle in the World, please enlight me? The thing is dat Floyd can fight who the hell he wants, Henry Bruseles again, Ricky Hatton or Joel Casamayor as lond as his Fan Club members don't claim he's the best welter in the world, if he wanna be, he gat to fight the Top Dogs! And that includes Paul Williams, Punisher!

if paul williams makes it out of the fight with margarito then he should be mentioned..until then he's just a young guy that beat up a bunch of Atlanta area bums plus old and torn up mitchell

[Dorfmeister]

That's exactly what is going to happen if Suleiman doesn't get stupid again ( Hoya took 12 months to defend the WBC Super Welter Title -May 6 2006 to May 6 2007). The Commisions can't get tricked by the mobster agents in pro box today, the Hoya vs Mayweather fight had no sense since it was Floyd's 1st fight as a 154 pounder and if Floyd defends the WBC welter title against Hatton, then I can say fo' sure - The WBC is corrupted by dirty money under the table, Period.

[Dorfmeister]

If Floyd is retired ( early May to late June - 2 damn months) then he can't hold both WBC 147 and 154 lbs titles or can he? Or can a "retired" fighter still be rated nº1 Ring Mag P 4 P, Welter Champ and Ring Mag nº3 Junior Middle in the World, please enlight me? The thing is dat Floyd can fight who the hell he wants, Henry Bruseles again, Ricky Hatton or Joel Casamayor as lond as his Fan Club members don't claim he's the best welter in the world, if he wanna be, he gat to fight the Top Dogs! And that includes Paul Williams, Punisher!

if paul williams makes it out of the fight with margarito then he should be mentioned..until then he's just a young guy that beat up a bunch of Atlanta area bums plus old and torn up mitchell

Old and Torn Sharmba who was Floyd's first opponent out of the 3 welters he fought... But I also believe that Paul is too vulnerable to the in-fighting Tony produces and should be caught inside by a Tornado he May(not)weather...