Just Re-watched Jones vs. Ruiz...Interesting lil detail

[donnydarkoIRL]

Gerald McClellan was not given the time to become the finished article as a professional. IMO Gerald had just as much natural talent as jones, but also, explosive power that even jones did not posess

[BoomBoom]

There is no way Jones would beat Charles or Moore at Lt. Heavyweight. They fought the far better fighters..and beat them. Jones was great in a different generation of fighters.

[JonesJrMayweather]

There is no way Jones would beat Charles or Moore at Lt. Heavyweight. They fought the far better fighters..and beat them. Jones was great in a different generation of fighters.

they also have never seen the likes of jones and would be in awe of the speed and power in front,to the side, behind, underneath, as the punches would be coming at angels that make them they're in the twlight zone

[El Kabong]

What about EZZARD CHARLES? he was the greatest light heavyweight boxer ever.

Gene Tunney wouldn't be a walk in the park either


But yeah HBO does tend to take credibility away from fights....it's a damn shame too they could make more boxing stars just by being good commentators but they shoot themselves in the foot when they discredit a fight/fighter like that. Like Hatton...no one knew and no one KNOWS Castillo is shot...he wasn't at his best but at least he did what HE was paid to do and that's WIN....it's not Ricky's fault Jose Luis didn't come to fight just like it's not Roy Jones Jr's fault that Ruiz couldn't do anything to him.

[ElTerribleMorales]

Jones would have given all of them a good fight, but beat them all i kinda doubt it, Ali was just as smart as Jones in the ring and well i think that he would have been able to take Jones, also at LHW i think that Michael Moorer would have given him hell, he was an ok HW but remember Moorer was an outstanding LHW, winning all of his fights by KO in that division, he was a pretty smart fighter, a southpaw, quick, great power, and also an extremely good and effective right jab

[SweetPea]

If I remember correctly, Emmanuel Steward did the same thing during the Mayweather-Baldomir fight.

In the pre-fight analysis, he said that Baldomir was a tough fighter and that Floyd was going to be in for a rough night.
Then after the fight, he said the outcome didn't surprise him because Baldomir never had a chance anyway.

I'll have to watch a tape when I get a chance to see exactly what he said

[BrooklyniteQueen]

Yeah quite possibly...I jus made a point to u there on another thread.
The reason that i don't regard Roy highly as a heavyweight is because in comparison to LL who reigned and defended as a champ, Roy didn. So don't think by any means im tryna take away from RJJ, i idolise the guy k

No other heavyweight wanted to fight him.

He was going to fight Corrie Sanders next(who had just KO'd Wladimer) and Corrie didn't want to fight Roy and vacated the title, and Roy didn't see the honor in fighting a vacant title he said he wanted to beat a champion to truly be a champion(right on Roy!)

So he went to Lennox and Lennox said he was probably gonna be packing it up(retiring)

So he moved down to fight Tarver since no Heavyweight wanted to fight him except probably Byrd but King kept that fight from happening for some reason

[SweetPea]

So he went to Lennox and Lennox said he was probably gonna be packing it up(retiring)

Let's be honest here, this isn't exactly how it went down.

Roy said he'd fight Tyson or Lewis, if he was paid $100 million for the fight. This is the oldest trick in the book, it's called "intentionally pricing yourself out of a fight."

Now I don't blame Roy at all for not wanting to fight Lennox, but let's not make it seem like Lewis is the one who backed down.

[AdamGB]

Having watched the Jones Jr./Ruiz fight again I was surprised to hear a little HBO cast quarrel somewhere in the region of the 10th round. In this debate George Foreman lambasted both Merchant and Lampley for being "hypocrites," by promoting a fight and then turning on the runner up and taking away from the fights credibility. This really hit home for me as i find it incredibly similar to HBO's attitude toward the Hatton/Castillo fight. Both Ruiz/Castillo were forces to be reckoned with before the fight in all interviews, promotions and were mentioned severeal times in preceeding fights. To be honest although they do provide a good coverage, I personally am becoming increasingly frustrated with HBO's cast's attitude toward boxing. But all Props to Big George Foreman.
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[BrooklyniteQueen]

So he went to Lennox and Lennox said he was probably gonna be packing it up(retiring)

Let's be honest here, this isn't exactly how it went down.

Roy said he'd fight Tyson or Lewis, if he was paid $100 million for the fight. This is the oldest trick in the book, it's called "intentionally pricing yourself out of a fight."

Now I don't blame Roy at all for not wanting to fight Lennox, but let's not make it seem like Lewis is the one who backed down.

And a fight that Tyson said he would have taken if Roy hadn't lost to Tarver. Let's face it, Tyson would have taken that fight. I'm not saying Lennox backed down, he was going to retire anyway but I see your point.

Either way the Lewis fight wasn't happening. Tyson would have taken it he really needed the money. But as far as Sanders, there's no excuse.

[SweetPea]

So he went to Lennox and Lennox said he was probably gonna be packing it up(retiring)

Let's be honest here, this isn't exactly how it went down.

Roy said he'd fight Tyson or Lewis, if he was paid $100 million for the fight. This is the oldest trick in the book, it's called "intentionally pricing yourself out of a fight."

Now I don't blame Roy at all for not wanting to fight Lennox, but let's not make it seem like Lewis is the one who backed down.

And a fight that Tyson said he would have taken if Roy hadn't lost to Tarver. Let's face it, Tyson would have taken that fight. I'm not saying Lennox backed down, he was going to retire anyway but I see your point.

Either way the Lewis fight wasn't happening. Tyson would have taken it he really needed the money. But as far as Sanders, there's no excuse.

So if Tyson wanted the fight, tell me which promoter would've agreed to pay Roy his 100 million dollars.

[El Kabong]

.....the video does make you dislike Norman Stone all over again

[Wacko3205]

i noticed that during the fight, because i was watching it in a room filled with "i hope roy gets beat" people...every one was saying he was going to get knocked out because ruiz was a legitimate heavy and that roy bit off more than he could chew...then as the fight kept going and roy was beating up Ruiz they starting saying,

"ruiz ain't S***, he ain't a real heavy" "He can't be lennox, or mike tyson"

And right then i knew that no matter what Roy jones did in the ring some people would not be satisfied until he loses..and soon as tarver landed the luckiest punch in the history of big name fighters being kayoed the voices did exactly what was confirmed to me that night in 2003...

"i told you roy jones wasn't S***"

That's why i'm glad i said

"if Roy jones beats Ruiz no matters what happens afterwards RJJ is the best boxer/fighter since Ray Robinson" and IMO still is.....

[donnydarkoIRL]

Yeah quite possibly...I jus made a point to u there on another thread.
The reason that i don't regard Roy highly as a heavyweight is because in comparison to LL who reigned and defended as a champ, Roy didn. So don't think by any means im tryna take away from RJJ, i idolise the guy k

No other heavyweight wanted to fight him.

He was going to fight Corrie Sanders next(who had just KO'd Wladimer) and Corrie didn't want to fight Roy and vacated the title, and Roy didn't see the honor in fighting a vacant title he said he wanted to beat a champion to truly be a champion(right on Roy!)

So he went to Lennox and Lennox said he was probably gonna be packing it up(retiring)

So he moved down to fight Tarver since no Heavyweight wanted to fight him except probably Byrd but King kept that fight from happening for some reason

Roy's FATHER stepped in and stopped him fighting BUSTER DOUGLAS!!!!...
Because he was worried for Roy's health.....Thats not a story thats fact!
The reason he took the Ruiz fight was because Ruiz was a no risk fight as ruiz was not a huge puncher. Roy was great, even an ATG, but come on....

[Preme]

Well IMO Roy is the greatest Super Middleweight ever, i kinda dont judge as all inclusive p4p, i think it's just too difficult to judge, But yeah, best super midddle ever.

and light heavyweight..he'd crush moore, foster, spinks, maxim,

but no conn