Is Evan Fields the biggest drug cheat since Ben Johnson

[JT Rock]

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[The Promoter]

What Evidence is everyone "waiting" for?!?!? I suppose only a failed drug test post fight will satisfy anyone...Since Barry Bonds, Jason Giambi, Mark McGuire and Even Jose Canseco never "Failed" a drug test, they were clean?!?!? Even though 3 of those 4 admitted using and fooling the system...For every new drug test there is a new drug or way around it, just go to you local powerhouse gym and ask around...

I guess it is more plausible to think that Evander has grown up from 175 to a Natural 219 pounds and that his heart disease was cured by god?

I never heard Evander say he did any usage . He has denied the accusation 100% . Test are administered after the matches and he's always come up clean. that’s what I go on "Facts". Assumptions are a F*** all ! Give me the facts !

“believe none of what you hear and only half of what you see“. It’s a good rule to live by

I never said Holyfield claimed anything other than divine intervention regarding his heart "miracle"...Some Facts: only urinalysis are performed after professional boxing matches (when performed at all) which can be EASILY masked for injected steriods and CANNOT detect HGH...The guys who get popped are the ones taking orals which can be detected through urinalysis...as a matter of fact the WBA only dictates that the only mandatory drug tests are for championship fights and what test is administered is not defined...a blood test is required to renew a license but even that test does not require testing for illegal drugs just for HIV and communicable diseases...

http://www.wbaonline.com/legal/Legal...ents/scode.pdf

Remember Tommy Morrison admitted to heavy steriod use but was NEVER tested positive and only tested positive for HIV, steroids were never tested for in the mandatory blood tests....The facts are that todays performance enhancing drugs require thorough blood tests to identify (along the lines of Olympic testing) and none of the sanctioning bodies will opt for this sort of testing (due to expensive)...unless of course laws are enacted that force this testing....

So to your point there will never be "hard facts" at the present rate so using that logic ..."no one is using steriods in professional boxing"...

[ICB]

god i love the smell of SMACKDOWN CC's in the morning..
cc to ice and jt

Thanks bro back.

[ross]

Ross, I have gone to great lengths to read through your posts and not only are you very knowledgable on boxing but the fighters you mentioned were all infact involved in steroid scandal, I also searched that and found you to be 100% correct, cc to you big boy......gotta go, the special needs school bus is here

It has been proved that Holyfield bought human growth hormone and testosterone recently

You make it sound like your saying a fact when your not.

Well the story that trainer monkey posted a link to proves that what you have highlighted in bold for me is in fact, fact

[Trainer Monkey]

Im going to annoy both sides of the equation

Until the investigation is complete,its unfair to ASSUME Holyfield did anything but work real hard

That should PO Ross

Now to PO JT and Ice

Like it or not,he has been implicated.And there is evidence to support it,not only the heart issue,but also the fact that he went from having his lisence pulled for diminishing skills,to four straight wins.

Im reserving judgment,but he wouldnt be the first faiding athlete to look for a chemical boost for one more shot at the sun.
I wont say he did or he didnt,its an ongoing ivestigation

[ross]

Nah why should it piiss me off?

It is a fact that Holyfield bought them, we dont know for sure what he did whith them which could be worse, he could be a supplier

Hey lets be bum boys to, cc to you

[JT Rock]

Ross, I have gone to great lengths to read through your posts and not only are you very knowledgable on boxing but the fighters you mentioned were all infact involved in steroid scandal, I also searched that and found you to be 100% correct, cc to you big boy......gotta go, the special needs school bus is here

It has been proved that Holyfield bought human growth hormone and testosterone recently

You make it sound like your saying a fact when your not.

Well the story that trainer monkey posted a link to proves that what you have highlighted in bold for me is in fact, fact

Hi my name is Ross and I routinely copulate and cuddle with small farm animals especially a donkey

Here is the problem that I have with you...... You sherk the big issue, your blatant denigration of high profile American Champs....... cute twisting of my quotes, but I'm gonna nail you down and haunt you like a plague of locusts until you explain your biaseness and predjudices towards americans

[JT Rock]

Nah why should it piiss me off?

It is a fact that Holyfield bought them, we dont know for sure what he did whith them which could be worse, he could be a supplier

Hey lets be bum boys to, cc to you

Still dont mean a bag of horseshit... nothings been proven, get me some concrete proof..... your title sucks and is nothing more than defamation.... are you alledgeing that no other boxer has used HGH and ROIDS but just alledging Evander used them. Why are you trying to be a dramatic in your accusation?

[ross]

I aint biased against americans, since you have lovingly trawled through my posts, copy and paste an example of my american hate where I have no other agenda other than to bash americans

Good lord

you come in a boxing forum with Justin Timberlakes initials and you want to be taken seriously

[ross]

Nah why should it piiss me off?

It is a fact that Holyfield bought them, we dont know for sure what he did whith them which could be worse, he could be a supplier

Hey lets be bum boys to, cc to you

Still dont mean a bag of horseshit... nothings been proven, get me some concrete proof..... your title sucks and is nothing more than defamation.... are you alledgeing that no other boxer has used HGH and ROIDS but just alledging Evander used them. Why are you trying to be a dramatic in your accusation?

Because Evander is recognised very high in all time great lists, if he has cheated his way there then he is indeed one of the biggest or highest profile drug cheats since ben johnson, who by the way is canadian, not american

[amat]

I hate these discussions, would just like for them to playout BUT, let's not say that suspecting Holyfield of steroid use is degrading. The fact is, a guy named Evan Fields was on the client list for a company that was selling HGH, and the number attached to that name was Evander Holyfield's own personal cell phone.

Now of course, I'm sure there are 1000 explanations for this, but I wouldn't come to hard from either side of the equation. Steroids have been culture in sports for a long time. Especially in the late 80's when Holyfield moved up to heavyweight. Now that doesn't prove anything one way or the other, but that is just what the deal is right now. Steroids being a cheating supplement is a relatively new idea.

They used to be just part of getting in shape and building muscle, Jim Haslett tried to acknowledge that and got absolutely slammed because of the stigma now attached to steroid use.

Who knows what the deal is, but I think everyone should cool down a bit, not call Evander a cheat right now but not call anyone who is suspicious a hater or anything of that sort either because right now we don't know.

[JT Rock]

I aint biased against americans, since you have lovingly trawled through my posts, copy and paste an example of my american hate where I have no other agenda other than to bash americans

Look no further than the 1st page of the thread, you mentioned Mosely, Jones jr

you come in a boxing forum with Justin Timberlakes initials and you want to be taken seriously

Right

[ross]

I mentioned Mosely and Jones Jr because they were amongst the names that I had read about being drugs cheats, where is that wrong

Name me any other nationality of fighter that has been in the media for this ?

Im not saying there isnt any but I just havent read about them, I was making a point that steroids are rife not that Americans cheat, they were the only names available

[amat]

I mentioned Mosely and Jones Jr because they were amongst the names that I had read about being drugs cheats, where is that wrong

A lot of that also has to do with America being seemingly the toughest on steroid users.

[JT Rock]

I mentioned Mosely and Jones Jr because they were amongst the names that I had read about being drugs cheats, where is that wrong

Name me any other nationality of fighter that has been in the media for this ?

Im not saying there isnt any but I just havent read about them, I was making a point that steroids are rife not that Americans cheat, they were the only names available

Our Justice system is innocent till proven guilty... If Evander was an Habitual Roid user he would have a laundry list of medical problems, liver, kidneys etc.... Evander works and always worked extremely hard throughout his career 100000000000000000000000000000000% day in and day out without hesitation, with an unmatched preperation and dedication to readiness for battle. While Holmes, Ali and Foreman were slugging around the ring in there comeback like Riddick Bowe at a Buffet, Evander at 44 is probably the fittest Heavy competing today