Fire Poll: Is Hatton #1 P4P if he beats Mayweather???

[Mike Tyson]

Hatton and Mayweather, both are great players inside the ring. If people are going to decide the best among them then it will be too difficult. Only a fight can decide the result. It will be a fight of skill and raw power.

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I like R Marquez but he has never beat a P4Per...

Hatton will have beaten 3 current or past P4Pers if he beats Mayweather..

as of yet hattons has beaten one p4per, tszyu.. castillo was on noones p4p list coming into that fight!

Isreal vasquez may not of been top 10 p4p but he was damn close to it imo... dont forget as well, rafa has been the undisputed champ at 2 weights, winning at the second weight convincingly - whislt hatton beat tszyu (great!) beat mausa then moved up a weight to win by the skin of his teath only to vacate and move back down to fight another chump...

Rafa is giving Isreal another crack at his old belt,whislt he may of stopped him once thats not telling that he will again, it was close on all ards at the time vaquez coldn't go on and rafa had been put on his a**... a broken nose can real scew up any fight - (see barrera jurez I then watch II)

i said current or past p4pers... he has fought just as hard competition if he fights and beats Mayweather... that will make 3 present or past p4pers that hatton has fought ...to zero p4pers for R. Marquez, and like i said fighter of the year twice if hatton wins this fight... R. Marquez zero Fighter of the years...

i like R. Marquez and think he might be justifiably #1 p4p even if hatton wins... but i think its close....

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I like R Marquez but he has never beat a P4Per...

Hatton will have beaten 3 current or past P4Pers if he beats Mayweather..

as of yet hattons has beaten one p4per, tszyu.. castillo was on noones p4p list coming into that fight!

Isreal vasquez may not of been top 10 p4p but he was damn close to it imo... dont forget as well, rafa has been the undisputed champ at 2 weights, winning at the second weight convincingly - whislt hatton beat tszyu (great!) beat mausa then moved up a weight to win by the skin of his teath only to vacate and move back down to fight another chump...

Rafa is giving Isreal another crack at his old belt,whislt he may of stopped him once thats not telling that he will again, it was close on all ards at the time vaquez coldn't go on and rafa had been put on his a**... a broken nose can real scew up any fight - (see barrera jurez I then watch II)

i said current or past p4pers... he has fought just as hard competition if he fights and beats Mayweather... that will make 3 present or past p4pers that hatton has fought ...to zero p4pers for R. Marquez, and like i said fighter of the year twice if hatton wins this fight... R. Marquez zero Fighter of the years...

i like R. Marquez and think he might be justifiably #1 p4p even if hatton wins... but i think its close....

In all fairness fighting a shot former pound for pound guy as in Castillo doesnt count for much. Would Kessler go up the P4P rankings if he beat Roy Jones now? No. Would JMM go further up the rankings if he beat Morales now? No. So should Hatton go further up the P4P rankings for beating Castillo? No.

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I like R Marquez but he has never beat a P4Per...

Hatton will have beaten 3 current or past P4Pers if he beats Mayweather..

as of yet hattons has beaten one p4per, tszyu.. castillo was on noones p4p list coming into that fight!

Isreal vasquez may not of been top 10 p4p but he was damn close to it imo... dont forget as well, rafa has been the undisputed champ at 2 weights, winning at the second weight convincingly - whislt hatton beat tszyu (great!) beat mausa then moved up a weight to win by the skin of his teath only to vacate and move back down to fight another chump...

Rafa is giving Isreal another crack at his old belt,whislt he may of stopped him once thats not telling that he will again, it was close on all ards at the time vaquez coldn't go on and rafa had been put on his a**... a broken nose can real scew up any fight - (see barrera jurez I then watch II)

i said current or past p4pers... he has fought just as hard competition if he fights and beats Mayweather... that will make 3 present or past p4pers that hatton has fought ...to zero p4pers for R. Marquez, and like i said fighter of the year twice if hatton wins this fight... R. Marquez zero Fighter of the years...

i like R. Marquez and think he might be justifiably #1 p4p even if hatton wins... but i think its close....

In all fairness fighting a shot former pound for pound guy as in Castillo doesnt count for much. Would Kessler go up the P4P rankings if he beat Roy Jones now? No. Would JMM go further up the rankings if he beat Morales now? No. So should Hatton go further up the P4P rankings for beating Castillo? No.

castillo was rated #1 by the wbc and #1 by ring going into the fight...

the qeustion was hatton be #1 if he beat mayweather.. and beating #1 p4p king and #1 contender in your divison means another fighter of the year.... which R. marquez doesnt have 1...

this whole thread is based on IF HATTON BEATS MAYWEATHER... not on current standings..

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hhhmmm i've also been thinking about that question in reverse...does pbf get any credit for beating hatton....or will it be another cirumstance where he's supposed to....so people focus more on what floyd didn't do instead of the main thing. That he won again.

the question is would Hatton be #1 P4P if he won...
Mayweather is already P4P #1.. i dont see your point.. of course he is suppose to win rather easy.. he is #1..

I saw the question in the poll and answered it and just threw a little side thought into it...sorry if more than one question at a time confuses the thread wasn't my intention...my point is floyd seems to be pfp best as a reluctant choice by many not cause people are giving him credit for the job he does in the ring......it's always if this would've happend or that would've happened he would've lost etc....not that he is clearly the best pfp so it seems strange to me that if hatton wins we consider him automaticly pfp best...oops i'm doing it again sorry.

reluctant choice by most knowledgeable boxing fans mayweather is by far the P4P #1 so beating him if you are already a p4p top 10 and you are the guy moving up in weight. i think that should give hatton a good edge on p4p #1....

IMO i think Matweather is clearly #1 if hatton or cotto were to beat him i think they should have the inside edge on p4p#1..

[hackey100]

will he have beaten every fighter placed in front of him?...... Yes
will have defeated the reigning P4P No1?....Yes
Has he beaten other P4P fighters?....Yes

It's a pretty convincing case tbh.
What people are forgetting is that you do not have to be the most technically gifted fighter to get the number one spot. You just have to be able to beat everybody in your weight class and for that weight class to be regarded as full of brilliance.

also, Hatton would be fighting above his naturally best weight, which gives him an even bigger shout for the number one spot if he wins.

[El Gamo]

will he have beaten every fighter placed in front of him?...... Yes
will have defeated the reigning P4P No1?....Yes
Has he beaten other P4P fighters?....Yes

It's a pretty convincing case tbh.
What people are forgetting is that you do not have to be the most technically gifted fighter to get the number one spot. You just have to be able to beat everybody in your weight class and for that weight class to be regarded as full of brilliance.

also, Hatton would be fighting above his naturally best weight, which gives him an even bigger shout for the number one spot if he wins.

So Hatton's weight class is "full of brilliance"(140) he has yet to fight some of the better WW at 147. And he would be fighting one weight class above his natural weight. Manny Pacquiao started about 3-4 divisions below where he is now,Floyd 5 weights etc etc.

I just don't believe wins over Mayweather,JLC and Tszyu would make him pound for pound number one.

JT has beaten B Hop twice when he was P4P number 1 and drawn with Winky.

Bernard has 20 plus title defences and beat Tarver and may beat Winky.

Winky beat Tito,Shane twice.

Rafa Marquez has beaten more RING top 10 than all of them and is a multiple weight champ.

All these names mentioned would still be just as impressive if not more so than Hatton IF he were to beat Floyd.

[superheavyrhun]

I was disappointed not to see a "It's never going to happen" option on the vote, but in the end I voted no. The p4p #1 slot is not a belt that is transferred upon victory. If Hatton were to win, it would probably propel him into the top 10, but ultimately there would still be fighters around the p4p top 10 who would have done more than him to be in there, and in my mind would warrant to be above him.

Hatton has struggled in a few fights of late, especially when he fought at 147, whilst Floyd has never really been given a workout of that magnitude in trying to hang on to his '0', and he's moved up a number more divisions than Ricky.

[Fire]

will he have beaten every fighter placed in front of him?...... Yes
will have defeated the reigning P4P No1?....Yes
Has he beaten other P4P fighters?....Yes

It's a pretty convincing case tbh.
What people are forgetting is that you do not have to be the most technically gifted fighter to get the number one spot. You just have to be able to beat everybody in your weight class and for that weight class to be regarded as full of brilliance.

also, Hatton would be fighting above his naturally best weight, which gives him an even bigger shout for the number one spot if he wins.

So Hatton's weight class is "full of brilliance"(140) he has yet to fight some of the better WW at 147. And he would be fighting one weight class above his natural weight. Manny Pacquiao started about 3-4 divisions below where he is now,Floyd 5 weights etc etc.


I just don't believe wins over Mayweather,JLC and Tszyu would make him pound for pound number one.


JT has beaten B Hop twice when he was P4P number 1 and drawn with Winky.

Bernard has 20 plus title defences and beat Tarver and may beat Winky.

Winky beat Tito,Shane twice.

an uninspired, overweight tito, and winky lost to harry simon and vargas.. and drew to taylor

Rafa Marquez has beaten more RING top 10 than all of them and is a multiple weight champ.

?? name them!!!! R. Marquez has good victories over good opponents but has never ko a p4per and hasnt been in the ring with more p4pers than any of the above...

If hatton KO's Mayweather then that would make 3 P4P's past or current that he has ko'd........

Taylor hasnt ko'd any of his less threatening, smaller opponents the big wins over B-hop and all three bouts against Winky and b-hop was disputed....Hattons big wins Kostya, JLC was dominate KOs, and ko'd champ maussa in a unfication bout...

Benard-hop LOST TWO DISPUTED MATCHES RECENTLY... i like b-hop but you cant lose twice recently and still havent avenged the loss and have a claim at #1 p4p even if they were disputed... taylor won the second pretty easy IMO ..

none of the fighters you mentioned are undefeated.... like floyd and hatton

R. marquez could easily be #1 but winky, taylor, and hopkins are all about equal, none of them are clearly better than each other which in my view hurts them greatly.. i'm not sure they are better than kessler and calzaghe...

but pac, marquez, and hatton are clearly better than anyone in there divisions and would all have a good claim to #1, if hatton beats mayweather IMO..

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I was disappointed not to see a "It's never going to happen" option on the vote, but in the end I voted no. The p4p #1 slot is not a belt that is transferred upon victory. If Hatton were to win, it would probably propel him into the top 10, but ultimately there would still be fighters around the p4p top 10 who would have done more than him to be in there, and in my mind would warrant to be above him.

Hatton has struggled in a few fights of late, especially when he fought at 147, whilst Floyd has never really been given a workout of that magnitude in trying to hang on to his '0', and he's moved up a number more divisions than Ricky.

hatton is ring #8 right now so how would a victory propel him to where he already is

mayweather struggled against castillo trying to hang on to his 'o'

it seems like you have alot of respect for mayweather...a hatton win over him wouldnt warrent atleast a concideration for #1 for hatton..

[TitoFan]

Hatton won't be a deserving # 1 p4p until he goes up to 147 and beats both Cotto and Margarito.


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[El Gamo]

will he have beaten every fighter placed in front of him?...... Yes
will have defeated the reigning P4P No1?....Yes
Has he beaten other P4P fighters?....Yes

It's a pretty convincing case tbh.
What people are forgetting is that you do not have to be the most technically gifted fighter to get the number one spot. You just have to be able to beat everybody in your weight class and for that weight class to be regarded as full of brilliance.

also, Hatton would be fighting above his naturally best weight, which gives him an even bigger shout for the number one spot if he wins.

So Hatton's weight class is "full of brilliance"(140) he has yet to fight some of the better WW at 147. And he would be fighting one weight class above his natural weight. Manny Pacquiao started about 3-4 divisions below where he is now,Floyd 5 weights etc etc.


I just don't believe wins over Mayweather,JLC and Tszyu would make him pound for pound number one.

If he KO's Mayweather then that would make 3 P4P's past or current that he has ko'd........

JT has beaten B Hop twice when he was P4P number 1 and drawn with Winky.

and has failed to live up to expectations since.. hasnt ko'd any of his less threatening other opponents since and all three bouts against Winky and b-hop was disputed....Hattons big wins Kostya, JLC was dominate KOs, and ko'd champ maussa in a unfication bout...

Bernard has 20 plus title defences and beat Tarver and may beat Winky.

he LOST TWO DISPUTED MATCHES RECENTLY... i like b-hop but you cant lose twice recently and have a claim at #1 p4p even if they were disputed... taylor won the second pretty easy IMO ..fat tarver wasnt near his best either

Winky beat Tito,Shane twice.

an uninspired, overweight tito, and winky lost to harry simon and vargas.. and drew to taylor

Rafa Marquez has beaten more RING top 10 than all of them and is a multiple weight champ.

?? name them!!!! he has good victories over good opponents but has never ko a p4per and hasnt been in the ring with more than any of the above...

All these names mentioned would still be just as impressive if not more so than Hatton IF he were to beat Floyd.

none of the fighters you mentioned are undefeated.... none have fought their best in ALL of their big fights....

R. marquez could easily be #1 but winky, taylor, and hopkins are all about equal, none of them are clearly better than each other which in my view hurts them greatly.. i'm not sure they are better than kessler and calzaghe...

but pac, marquez, and hatton are clearly better than anyone in there divisions and would all have a good claim to #1 if hatton beats mayweather IMO..

An 0 is just that,an 0. It does not make you a better fighter. It can mean anything,it's open to interpretation.

Is Hatton better than Hopkins,Winky etc P4P just because he is undefeated? I don't think so. And if the fight is at 147,Hatton is not top 5 at the weight so he wouldnt be the best at the weight.

Also, you are way way off with the highlighted. Winkys best performances came in his biggest fights,so have most of Floyd's.So has Rafa Marquez(Johnson,Austin,Vazquez) etc.

Like I said,JT didn't go straight to number despite beating B Hop twice. Tarver didn't go to number one when he KTFO RJJ. And Hackey,I think you replied inside my posts? You say Tito etc were over weight,lazy,I could say Tszyu was inactive and JLC old? It's easy to do that to EVERYONE's opponents.

[Fire]

will he have beaten every fighter placed in front of him?...... Yes
will have defeated the reigning P4P No1?....Yes
Has he beaten other P4P fighters?....Yes

It's a pretty convincing case tbh.
What people are forgetting is that you do not have to be the most technically gifted fighter to get the number one spot. You just have to be able to beat everybody in your weight class and for that weight class to be regarded as full of brilliance.

also, Hatton would be fighting above his naturally best weight, which gives him an even bigger shout for the number one spot if he wins.

So Hatton's weight class is "full of brilliance"(140) he has yet to fight some of the better WW at 147. And he would be fighting one weight class above his natural weight. Manny Pacquiao started about 3-4 divisions below where he is now,Floyd 5 weights etc etc.


I just don't believe wins over Mayweather,JLC and Tszyu would make him pound for pound number one.

If he KO's Mayweather then that would make 3 P4P's past or current that he has ko'd........

JT has beaten B Hop twice when he was P4P number 1 and drawn with Winky.

and has failed to live up to expectations since.. hasnt ko'd any of his less threatening other opponents since and all three bouts against Winky and b-hop was disputed....Hattons big wins Kostya, JLC was dominate KOs, and ko'd champ maussa in a unfication bout...

Bernard has 20 plus title defences and beat Tarver and may beat Winky.

he LOST TWO DISPUTED MATCHES RECENTLY... i like b-hop but you cant lose twice recently and have a claim at #1 p4p even if they were disputed... taylor won the second pretty easy IMO ..fat tarver wasnt near his best either

Winky beat Tito,Shane twice.

an uninspired, overweight tito, and winky lost to harry simon and vargas.. and drew to taylor

Rafa Marquez has beaten more RING top 10 than all of them and is a multiple weight champ.

?? name them!!!! he has good victories over good opponents but has never ko a p4per and hasnt been in the ring with more than any of the above...

All these names mentioned would still be just as impressive if not more so than Hatton IF he were to beat Floyd.

none of the fighters you mentioned are undefeated.... none have fought their best in ALL of their big fights....

R. marquez could easily be #1 but winky, taylor, and hopkins are all about equal, none of them are clearly better than each other which in my view hurts them greatly.. i'm not sure they are better than kessler and calzaghe...

but pac, marquez, and hatton are clearly better than anyone in there divisions and would all have a good claim to #1 if hatton beats mayweather IMO..

An 0 is just that,an 0. It does not make you a better fighter. It can mean anything,it's open to interpretation.

Is Hatton better than Hopkins,Winky etc P4P just because he is undefeated? I don't think so. And if the fight is at 147,Hatton is not top 5 at the weight so he wouldnt be the best at the weight.

Also, you are way way off with the highlighted. Winkys best performances came in his biggest fights,so have most of Floyd's.So has Rafa Marquez(Johnson,Austin,Vazquez) etc.

Like I said,JT didn't go straight to number despite beating B Hop twice. Tarver didn't go to number one when he KTFO RJJ. And Hackey,I think you replied inside my posts? You say Tito etc were over weight,lazy,I could say Tszyu was inactive and JLC old? It's easy to do that to EVERYONE's opponents.

i messed up my first post had to revise it..

above i tell the reasons i think hatton will be better than winky d-hop and taylor..

winky lost to vargas and drew to taylor,... floyd is the best didnt mention him....., b-hop lost to taylor twice, taylor hasnt ever had a ko in a big fight THOSE WAS ALL BIG FIGHTS.. not that off on the statement...

NO ONE IS SAYING HATTON SHOULD BE #1 JUST BECAUSE HE BEAT MAYWEATHER.... WHY DO YOU ALL KEEP ACTING LIKE THAT is A DISCUSSION POINT... if i thought that is all it took i would have even started the thread... he would undoubtable be #1 p4p if that was the case... there is no point in saying that...

hatton is currently #8 ring p4p.. obviously its more than one victory that will make hatton p4p #1 if he becomes #1...

as far as being critical of opponents...no one has had there opponents critcized more than hatton and calzaghe




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[El Gamo]

"i messed up my first post had to revise it..

above i tell the reasons i think hatton will be better than winky d-hop and taylor..

winky lost to vargas and drew to taylor,... floyd is the best didnt mention him....., b-hop lost to taylor twice, taylor hasnt ever had a ko in a big fight THOSE WAS ALL BIG FIGHTS.. not that off on the statement...

NO ONE IS SAYING HATTON SHOULD BE #1 JUST BECAUSE HE BEAT MAYWEATHER.... WHY DO YOU ALL KEEP ACTING LIKE THAT is A DISCUSSION POINT... if i thought that is all it took i would have even started the thread... he would undoubtable be #1 p4p if that was the case... there is no point in saying that..."

hatton is currently #8 ring p4p.. obviously its more than one victory that will make hatton p4p #1 if he becomes #1...

as far as being critical of opponents...no one has had there opponents critcized more than hatton and calzaghe

I presume you meant B Hop? Ive already said,multi weight world champ,20 plus defences etc etc.Most thought Winky beat Vargas. And a draw with Taylor is no bad thing,JT is a P4P himself. Jermain not having a KO in a big fight has absolutely NO RELEVANCE whatsoever to him being a pound for pounder. No one has stopped Winky or B Hop.

I'm not going to keep going through the same things over and over again. I've dissected your posts, and you just say the same things over and over.

And you made the thread right? So what are you talking about with the highlighted part? You asked the question "Is Hatton #1 P4P if he beats Mayweather" YOU are asking the question,I gave you a MULTITUDE of reasons why he shall not be. May be you should alter it to something more appropriate if you are not getting the responses you are seeking.

[El Gamo]

Have a cc on me though for starting an interesting discussion.