Is Shane Mosley really that big of a deal anymore, or is he just a big name??

[mayorook]

I just want to respond to the comment that sugar been calling floyd out for a while now, he has but at the same time PB has called him out first but sugar wasn't didn't to fight him. He was talking about going on vacation and thinking about it with his wife. I love Sugar but he is a pu$$y when it come to his wife. I think she is the reason he didn't want to fight him at first. He I think he is a legend and has one of the biggest hearts i ever seen on a fighter. He still got a lot left in the tank and will kick Cotto A$$ I just hope he give his wife the boot next.

[zhubin]

It's a testament to his incredible athleticism that Shane is still so fast and strong...even at his age. The man is a great boxer and carries himself with class. He still has plenty left in the tank to be a tremendous task for ANY fighter he faces. I think in his last few fights he has gone back to throwing more combo's and looks more fluid than he has in a long time. He become enamored with trying to hurt people with one punch in recent years. But he seems to be fighting better all around than he has in many years. I think he will simply have too much skill, athleticism, and experience for Cotto to handle. If everything works out...hopefully him and Floyd will finally fight in the near future (before Shane gets too old).

[ACEA]

I think Vargas was coming back in the first fight and it was a coin toss as to who would have got the decision but Mosley was the smart fighter and worked vargas's eye all credit to him. The second fight Vargas had weight trouble and yes he was a shot fighter, he should have hung the gloves up right there. Mosley isn't a shot fighter and still has a bit left in the tank but i think Cotto is gonna knock his ass out. Cotto has only gotten better since he moved up to 147lbs and he cuts the ring off very effectively. Trust me Cotto will rip the shit out of his body and finish the fight in RD 10, hell i think this will be fight of the year. Cotto will get knocked down by Mosley early tho as he will be too excited and try n take Shanes head off and catch a counter. Cotto will come back tho cause hes a warrior and want it so bad. As for Mosley beating Floyd i cant see it myself. Mayweather is such an amazing boxer he can adapt to almost any style and turn the fight in his favor without losing too many rounds. Do you seriously think Mayweather would just coast if he was getting out worked? The only reason Floyd doesn't put out a high work rate is because he hasn't needed to. In the De La Hoya fight all of de la hoya's punches were being blocked and Floyd's landed he was being efficient with his punches whereas de la hoya just let the combo's go and he gassed out. Against Mosley Floyd would be a lot busier and would probably stand up close and counter as Mosley shots got blocked. Shane throws in spurts now so Floyd ll just block the flurry's and mount his own offense.

[zhubin]

I think Vargas was coming back in the first fight and it was a coin toss as to who would have got the decision but Mosley was the smart fighter and worked vargas's eye all credit to him. The second fight Vargas had weight trouble and yes he was a shot fighter, he should have hung the gloves up right there. Mosley isn't a shot fighter and still has a bit left in the tank but i think Cotto is gonna knock his a** out. Cotto has only gotten better since he moved up to 147lbs and he cuts the ring off very effectively. Trust me Cotto will rip the S*** out of his body and finish the fight in RD 10, hell i think this will be fight of the year. Cotto will get knocked down by Mosley early tho as he will be too excited and try n take Shanes head off and catch a counter. Cotto will come back tho cause hes a warrior and want it so bad. As for Mosley beating Floyd i cant see it myself. Mayweather is such an amazing boxer he can adapt to almost any style and turn the fight in his favor without losing too many rounds. Do you seriously think Mayweather would just coast if he was getting out worked? The only reason Floyd doesn't put out a high work rate is because he hasn't needed to. In the De La Hoya fight all of de la hoya's punches were being blocked and Floyd's landed he was being efficient with his punches whereas de la hoya just let the combo's go and he gassed out. Against Mosley Floyd would be a lot busier and would probably stand up close and counter as Mosley shots got blocked. Shane throws in spurts now so Floyd ll just block the flurry's and mount his own offense.

Dream on. Cotto has been put on his ass by fighters with a lot less speed, power. and skill than Shane. Shane also can hit the body hard, he will be way faster, has a much better chin....and even at his age will be better conditioned. If it's war...Cotto will be the one catching a beatdown by a superior boxer/athlete (unless he want to take a few cheap shots to Shane's crotch). Shane can bang and he can also pick him apart from numerous different angles. Say what you want about Vargas...but he is a BIG, strong, and stubborn guy...and he got viciously knocked down by Mosely. Should be a great fight...but Cotto will be the one in trouble.

[THE THIRD MAN]

Shane Mosley is a big deal and a big name, until someone kicks his ass in the ring and he retires he definately deserves a shot against Cotto and if he wins then Floyd.
Mosley would be in everyone's top 10 Lightweight Champions of all time lists and he has been a great Welterwight Champion with two wins against a prime DLH.
His major problem is age and he will be 36 by fight time and the reality is in boxing as much as all of us don't like to say it, he is one fight away from being shot. He is going up against a younger warrior in Cotto
nine years his junior and it won't be easy. I know we will get a good fight because Mosley is in it!!

[Eli_jr24]

Having said that, I still pick Mosley by a SD over Cotto.

Well just have to wait and see. The boxing world is in for a big surprise after this fight. Age will be a big factor in this one. Do not bet on Mosley.

[El Gamo]

Stupid thread,of course Shane is a big deal otherwise so many people would not be excited about this fight. So many variables,but I still favour Cotto. He just hits way too hard at 147,especially to the body and although Mosley has some pop too,I think Cotto's body attack will wear him down. Cotto's jab will give Mosley problems too.

Shane's speed will be important for him and will give Miguel trouble at times but I think Cotto can handle it. He handled Zabs speed fairly well,and Shane is not much faster than Za. Zab was also southpaw which made it more difficult,Shane isn't.

And Cotto's stamina has been awesome at 147,he was averaging about 80 punches a round v Zab and didn't seem that tired at all to me. Miguel wins this for me,too strong,too much pressure and as long as he uses his jab alot like he did v Zab to set up his shots,he'l do well for sure.

[amat]

He's a lot more then a big name, he's approaching pound for pound status yet again and that is if he isn't already.

Vargas may be a shot fighter, but the guy in front of you doesn't have to be Ray Robinson for you to look good. He was fast, accurate and punched in combinations again.

Then against Collazo he just looked excellent, sweeping a good fighter completely out. Shane hadn't been that good since before the Forrest bouts and before the BALCO stuff. It's been rough on Mosley, but he's done a good job in resurrecting his career.

To be honest I never thought he would return to form but he did and that's what makes this matchup so good. Can't wait, Cotto KO but this is the one, unlike Judah, that I'm not positively sure of. It's the first time Cotto has been in the ring with someone of his own skill level imo.

[El Gamo]

He's a lot more then a big name, he's approaching pound for pound status yet again and that is if he isn't already.

Vargas may be a shot fighter, but the guy in front of you doesn't have to be Ray Robinson for you to look good. He was fast, accurate and punched in combinations again.

Then against Collazo he just looked excellent, sweeping a good fighter completely out. Shane hadn't been that good since before the Forrest bouts and before the BALCO stuff. It's been rough on Mosley, but he's done a good job in resurrecting his career.

To be honest I never thought he would return to form but he did and that's what makes this matchup so good. Can't wait, Cotto KO but this is the one, unlike Judah, that I'm not positively sure of. It's the first time Cotto has been in the ring with someone of his own skill level imo.

What is BALCO And I disagree,when the fight was made,people thought Quintana was more skilled than Cotto and would beat him. A similar situation with Paulie too,ALOT of people thought he would outbox Cotto.

[Eli_jr24]

What is BALCO And I disagree,when the fight was made,people thought Quintana was more skilled than Cotto and would beat him. A similar situation with Paulie too,ALOT of people thought he would outbox Cotto.

Agree with you. Over 50% of the boxing world continue to under estimate Cotto's talent. They used to compare him with Gatti that he was just gonna be an exciting fighter to watch, then they said he was too slow for quintana, Mag and for Judah, and now they are saying that he has no chance what so ever at a Mosley because Mosley is fast and has a chin....... well let these people keep on underestimating his talent,speed, power and heart. They will see after this fight that Cotto is the real deal and faster than what many think. I continue to say, Cotto's fight mentality is alot like B-HOPS.....No matter what style to come to fight with......You will fight their style of Fight and that seems to frustrate every fighter.

[bcollins]

I love Cotto's aggressive pressure style - a lot - but SSM has the skill to frustrate Cotto. Mosley is no Judah or Malignaggi - this is easily the biggest test for Cotto.

I still say it can go either way.

[zhubin]

What is BALCO And I disagree,when the fight was made,people thought Quintana was more skilled than Cotto and would beat him. A similar situation with Paulie too,ALOT of people thought he would outbox Cotto.

Agree with you. Over 50% of the boxing world continue to under estimate Cotto's talent. They used to compare him with Gatti that he was just gonna be an exciting fighter to watch, then they said he was too slow for quintana, Mag and for Judah, and now they are saying that he has no chance what so ever at a Mosley because Mosley is fast and has a chin....... well let these people keep on underestimating his talent,speed, power and heart. They will see after this fight that Cotto is the real deal and faster than what many think. I continue to say, Cotto's fight mentality is alot like B-HOPS.....No matter what style to come to fight with......You will fight their style of Fight and that seems to frustrate every fighter.

Doesn't matter if Cotto forces Shane to fight his style. Shane has the power and speed (not to mention the chin)....and Cotto has the an iffy chin....that if this become a brawl...Shane has the advantage there as well. As shown by Mosely's fights against Forrest and Wright...Shane has problems fighting fighters with a great jab and ones that use their range. Unless Shane grows old in this fight...he has too much skill and athleticism for Cotto...and when they exchange...Shane will be way faster and just as strong if not stronger. Speed trumps power. In this case you have speed AND power against a weak chin and a weak defense.

[El Gamo]

What is BALCO And I disagree,when the fight was made,people thought Quintana was more skilled than Cotto and would beat him. A similar situation with Paulie too,ALOT of people thought he would outbox Cotto.

Agree with you. Over 50% of the boxing world continue to under estimate Cotto's talent. They used to compare him with Gatti that he was just gonna be an exciting fighter to watch, then they said he was too slow for quintana, Mag and for Judah, and now they are saying that he has no chance what so ever at a Mosley because Mosley is fast and has a chin....... well let these people keep on underestimating his talent,speed, power and heart. They will see after this fight that Cotto is the real deal and faster than what many think. I continue to say, Cotto's fight mentality is alot like B-HOPS.....No matter what style to come to fight with......You will fight their style of Fight and that seems to frustrate every fighter.

Doesn't matter if Cotto forces Shane to fight his style. Shane has the power and speed (not to mention the chin)....and Cotto has the an iffy chin....that if this become a brawl...Shane has the advantage there as well. As shown by Mosely's fights against Forrest and Wright...Shane has problems fighting fighters with a great jab and ones that use their range. Unless Shane grows old in this fight...he has too much skill and athleticism for Cotto...and when they exchange...Shane will be way faster and just as strong if not stronger. Speed trumps power. In this case you have speed AND power against a weak chin and a weak defense.

I think you're slightly under rating Cotto or over rating Mosley. You make no mention of Cotto's power which is comparable if not better than Shane's at WW. Zab was also way faster than Cotto. You also neglect to mention that Cotto was landing a superb jab v the southpaw Zab so I'm sure he would be able to land it v Mosley who has difficulties dealing with a good stiff jab as seen in the Vernon an WInky fights.

[zhubin]

I think you are overrating Cotto's jab...because it's not nearly the same as Winky's or Vernon's...two fighter who had way more range, reach, and size than Cotto. As far as me giving too much credit to Mosely's power...Shane is pound 4 pound of the strongest fighters in the sport. No doubt Cotto's strong...but Cotto's weak chin has been seriously wobbled by much less punchers than Shane. As far as the Judah comment...Zab's speed was giving Cotto plenty of trouble....but the classic Judah mental weakness, along with cheap shots to his groin, lost the fight for him.

[amat]

He's a lot more then a big name, he's approaching pound for pound status yet again and that is if he isn't already.

Vargas may be a shot fighter, but the guy in front of you doesn't have to be Ray Robinson for you to look good. He was fast, accurate and punched in combinations again.

Then against Collazo he just looked excellent, sweeping a good fighter completely out. Shane hadn't been that good since before the Forrest bouts and before the BALCO stuff. It's been rough on Mosley, but he's done a good job in resurrecting his career.

To be honest I never thought he would return to form but he did and that's what makes this matchup so good. Can't wait, Cotto KO but this is the one, unlike Judah, that I'm not positively sure of. It's the first time Cotto has been in the ring with someone of his own skill level imo.

What is BALCO And I disagree,when the fight was made,people thought Quintana was more skilled than Cotto and would beat him. A similar situation with Paulie too,ALOT of people thought he would outbox Cotto.

BALCO is the Bay Area lab that made the steroids "The cream" and "The clear", the owner is now in Prison but implicated in the thing was Barry Bonds, Jason Giambi, Marion Jones, Tim Montgomery and a whole host of other elite athletes including Shane Mosley. Mosley ended up testifying about the thing and he fell off immediately after that came out.

And I hugely rate Cotto's skills, I like both Quintana and Malignaggi to come back and be champions but Cotto was better skilled then both of them especially Malignaggi. But Cotto did indeed prove better.

Mosley is a guy we KNOW will match Cotto in skill level. It's a very evenly matched fight imo, while even if they were seeming close matchups, Quintana and Malignaggi were never P4P champions. Wasn't discrediting either but this is obviously the best guy Cotto has ever faced.