Marquez - Barriors? Or Marquez-Juarez?

[gyrokai]

I think both Marquez brothers are GREAT BOXING BROS, but have weak chins.

If JMM had weak chin he would of been stopped by Pacquiao and Barrera i don't know where you got that from JMM has never been stopped in his whole career.

I guess that depends on how you judge someones chin.

To me, once get floored by one punch... that's a sign of soft chin.

Like I said on my last post, Gerry Penalosa is a good example of good chin. I have to add PRIME Erik Morales too.

Not sure what you mean there but i took it as your saying if you get floored by one punch thats sign of weak chin correct ??

Well i guess Ali had weak chin then getting decked by one punch from Cooper and Frazier.

Oops! sorry, typo.

Yep, Ali had weak chin,... like many GREAT FIGHTERS.

By the way..... here's my thoughts on that.

Morales' chin isn't weak, BUT it IS weaker than many people think. As a matter of fact I predicted a third round knockout in the Pac fight. Erik has just so much will and "dare to be great" attributes to get knocked out.

[:::PSL:::]

I think both Marquez brothers are GREAT BOXING BROS, but have weak chins.

If JMM had weak chin he would of been stopped by Pacquiao and Barrera i don't know where you got that from JMM has never been stopped in his whole career.

I guess that depends on how you judge someones chin.

To me, once get floored by one punch... that's a sign of soft chin.

Like I said on my last post, Gerry Penalosa is a good example of good chin. I have to add PRIME Erik Morales too.

Not sure what you mean there but i took it as your saying if you get floored by one punch thats sign of weak chin correct ??

Well i guess Ali had weak chin then getting decked by one punch from Cooper and Frazier.

Oops! sorry, typo.

Yep, Ali had weak chin,... like many GREAT FIGHTERS.

By the way..... here's my thoughts on that.

Morales' chin isn't weak, BUT it IS weaker than many people think. As a matter of fact I predicted a third round knockout in the Pac fight. Erik has just so much will and "dare to be great" attributes to get knocked out.

Almost all Pac's knock downs against Morales was from accumulation/heavy volume of punches. I said "almost" coz Manny did nail Erik with a perfect left hook in the 1st KD (3rd fight).

Morales' chin isn't weak. He got tagged viciously with that left hook coz he executed an all or nothing - kamikaze move. He didn't even see that punch comin.

[brucelee]

it's just happened that Pacquaio has the punch to knock out even those with granite chins.

[bzkfn]

I don't really understand where all this silly talk about JMM having a soft chin is coming from..Has he been stopped?Ermm...nooo.. Down,yes.

Did he get back up? Hell yeah and against whoever dropped,he outboxed and outfought them for the rest of the fight. Secondly,JMM is one of the most technically astute fighters of this generation and definitely top 3 for counter punching.

I would have preferred to see him fight Barrios simply because I think Juarez is a lazy,disrespectful idiot who gets more title shots than any other boxer when he clearly does not deserve it(I'm not saying Barrios did though!) Soto whopped Juarez and STILL has not recieved a shot!

I think Juarez will have his moments in the fight IF JMM comes forward,as he has been doing in his last 4 fights. If he counter punches,he'll easily beat Juarez. He just needs to be weary of the left hook,which is hugely powerful but other than that,Juarez has very little else. Little movement,can be open,pretty slow etc. I'd be disappointed if JMM didn't win although I don't envisage a stoppage,Soto beat Juarez a** and wobbled him a few times but could not stop him.

JMm has got a soft chin, he may not of been stopped but its been clear he gets hurt easily form punches that are good, but not massive, he has been rocked numerous times and been put down a fair few...

Sure,that makes sense. He hasn't been stopped,he was dropped 3 times by p4p one of the hardest punchers in the game and came back to win the majority of the rounds,was dropped by Norwood and came back to win most of the rounds,and dropped by MAB and won the fight? Name me some other fights he's been rocked,I saw him take BOMBS from Terdsak and Jaca and stay standing.

And no offence,because you're one of my favourite posters but to say he is easily put down from punches that are good but not great does not make sense.What is a good and great punch?

I can understand the confusion though with regards to chins,I have this debate all the time with Cotto/Tito naysayers who say they have a weak chin,get wobbled etc but my argument is how often are they stopped? Their chins can't be that bad then can they?

I think both Marquez brothers are GREAT BOXING BROS, but have weak chins.

I don't know why Rafa is being brought into it but how does he has a weak chin? At least try to justify what you are saying.

Gamo. I've read this whole thread and I can't believe that some are suggesting that if a fighter gets knocked down, that means his chin is weak. For fucks sake, these guys are punching each other in the face...you take so many shots over your career it's bound to take its toll at some point. A quick recovery from it means you have the ability to shake it off and get on with the job. To me, thats the sign of a good chin.

[:::PSL:::]

I don't really understand where all this silly talk about JMM having a soft chin is coming from..Has he been stopped?Ermm...nooo.. Down,yes.

Did he get back up? Hell yeah and against whoever dropped,he outboxed and outfought them for the rest of the fight. Secondly,JMM is one of the most technically astute fighters of this generation and definitely top 3 for counter punching.

I would have preferred to see him fight Barrios simply because I think Juarez is a lazy,disrespectful idiot who gets more title shots than any other boxer when he clearly does not deserve it(I'm not saying Barrios did though!) Soto whopped Juarez and STILL has not recieved a shot!

I think Juarez will have his moments in the fight IF JMM comes forward,as he has been doing in his last 4 fights. If he counter punches,he'll easily beat Juarez. He just needs to be weary of the left hook,which is hugely powerful but other than that,Juarez has very little else. Little movement,can be open,pretty slow etc. I'd be disappointed if JMM didn't win although I don't envisage a stoppage,Soto beat Juarez a** and wobbled him a few times but could not stop him.

JMm has got a soft chin, he may not of been stopped but its been clear he gets hurt easily form punches that are good, but not massive, he has been rocked numerous times and been put down a fair few...

Sure,that makes sense. He hasn't been stopped,he was dropped 3 times by p4p one of the hardest punchers in the game and came back to win the majority of the rounds,was dropped by Norwood and came back to win most of the rounds,and dropped by MAB and won the fight? Name me some other fights he's been rocked,I saw him take BOMBS from Terdsak and Jaca and stay standing.

And no offence,because you're one of my favourite posters but to say he is easily put down from punches that are good but not great does not make sense.What is a good and great punch?

I can understand the confusion though with regards to chins,I have this debate all the time with Cotto/Tito naysayers who say they have a weak chin,get wobbled etc but my argument is how often are they stopped? Their chins can't be that bad then can they?

I think both Marquez brothers are GREAT BOXING BROS, but have weak chins.

I don't know why Rafa is being brought into it but how does he has a weak chin? At least try to justify what you are saying.

Gamo. I've read this whole thread and I can't believe that some are suggesting that if a fighter gets knocked down, that means his chin is weak. For fucks sake, these guys are punching each other in the face...you take so many shots over your career it's bound to take its toll at some point. A quick recovery from it means you have the ability to shake it off and get on with the job. To me, thats the sign of a good chin.

That means weak chin with big heart.

[Julius Rain]

pacstraightleft, I like you bRo but i don't think you can fully grasp the meaning of "weak" or "soft chin"

You said once someone gets knock down once by one punch he has a weak or soft chin? come on you can't be serious. Then you say penalosa is an example of a strong chin. Well I guess what your really trying to say is that anybody that are good at avoiding punches has a strong chin, since they have never been put down. What your missing is that if you hit a fighter with a good shot like the ones that puts jmm or pac down, they too will fall and may not get back up unlike how jmm and pac. Your thoughts on this topic is pretty fuck up bro to be honest.

You pretty much meant, anybody that never been drop has a strong chin and everybody that has been drop has a soft chin. Well you have to understand some fighters will get hit more then others, but it does not mean they have weaker chins then those who don't get hit as often. I'm sure many of the fighters that has never been drop, if hit with the same punches that puts the guys you say have soft or weak chin, those guys you claim to have good chins may not even get back up.

guys like jmm and pac has strong chins, do you seriously believe the shots that jmm took from pac wouldn't put penalosa down? you need to check your self bro your understanding of a weak chin or soft chin is pretty....(I dont' want to hurt your feelings but)...dumb

a strong chin is taking lots of good shot not falling down or even if they do fall down they still get back up and take more good shots and last the whole fight if not gets stop standing. a soft or weak chin is really determine when a fighter gets hit with a good shot or not even a good shot but does not get back up or does get back up but still gets knocked out or last til the end of the fight but avoids punches for the rest of it.

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pacstraightleft, I like you bRo but i don't think you can fully grasp the meaning of "weak" or "soft chin"

You said once someone gets knock down once by one punch he has a weak or soft chin? come on you can't be serious. Then you say penalosa is an example of a strong chin. Well I guess what your really trying to say is that anybody that are good at avoiding punches has a strong chin, since they have never been put down. What your missing is that if you hit a fighter with a good shot like the ones that puts jmm or pac down, they too will fall and may not get back up unlike how jmm and pac. Your thoughts on this topic is pretty F*** up bro to be honest.

You pretty much meant, anybody that never been drop has a strong chin and everybody that has been drop has a soft chin. Well you have to understand some fighters will get hit more then others, but it does not mean they have weaker chins then those who don't get hit as often. I'm sure many of the fighters that has never been drop, if hit with the same punches that puts the guys you say have soft or weak chin, those guys you claim to have good chins may not even get back up.

guys like jmm and pac has strong chins, do you seriously believe the shots that jmm took from pac wouldn't put penalosa down? you need to check your self bro your understanding of a weak chin or soft chin is pretty....(I dont' want to hurt your feelings but)...dumb

a strong chin is taking lots of good shot not falling down or even if they do fall down they still get back up and take more good shots and last the whole fight if not gets stop standing. a soft or weak chin is really determine when a fighter gets hit with a good shot or not even a good shot but does not get back up or does get back up but still gets knocked out or last til the end of the fight but avoids punches for the rest of it.

So I got a pretty f*cked up view on this huh? LOL!

Well in that case, a good example of a fighter with bad chin is Chico then (bless his soul). I take nothing from your idol. He was my blood and guts warrior too. Again, if I see a guy get hit in the chin and lost his leg instantly, to me that's a sign of bad chin bro. It's a reflex thing.

I'm pretty sure Gerry took some good ones too in the chin with his LONG boxing career. BTW, Penalosa is naturally little man compare to JMM or Pac. I don't think it would be fair for him to take punch from 3 division higher than his. P4p, GP has the granite chin.

[gyrokai]

I think both Marquez brothers are GREAT BOXING BROS, but have weak chins.

If JMM had weak chin he would of been stopped by Pacquiao and Barrera i don't know where you got that from JMM has never been stopped in his whole career.

I guess that depends on how you judge someones chin.

To me, once get floored by one punch... that's a sign of soft chin.

Like I said on my last post, Gerry Penalosa is a good example of good chin. I have to add PRIME Erik Morales too.

Not sure what you mean there but i took it as your saying if you get floored by one punch thats sign of weak chin correct ??

Well i guess Ali had weak chin then getting decked by one punch from Cooper and Frazier.

Oops! sorry, typo.

Yep, Ali had weak chin,... like many GREAT FIGHTERS.

By the way..... here's my thoughts on that.

Morales' chin isn't weak, BUT it IS weaker than many people think. As a matter of fact I predicted a third round knockout in the Pac fight. Erik has just so much will and "dare to be great" attributes to get knocked out.

Almost all Pac's knock downs against Morales was from accumulation/heavy volume of punches. I said "almost" coz Manny did nail Erik with a perfect left hook in the 1st KD (3rd fight).

Morales' chin isn't weak. He got tagged viciously with that left hook coz he executed an all or nothing - kamikaze move. He didn't even see that punch comin.

Your a Pacquiao fan, so I wouldn't expect you to know that much more about Morales.

[:::PSL:::]

I think both Marquez brothers are GREAT BOXING BROS, but have weak chins.

If JMM had weak chin he would of been stopped by Pacquiao and Barrera i don't know where you got that from JMM has never been stopped in his whole career.

I guess that depends on how you judge someones chin.

To me, once get floored by one punch... that's a sign of soft chin.

Like I said on my last post, Gerry Penalosa is a good example of good chin. I have to add PRIME Erik Morales too.

Not sure what you mean there but i took it as your saying if you get floored by one punch thats sign of weak chin correct ??

Well i guess Ali had weak chin then getting decked by one punch from Cooper and Frazier.

Oops! sorry, typo.

Yep, Ali had weak chin,... like many GREAT FIGHTERS.

By the way..... here's my thoughts on that.

Morales' chin isn't weak, BUT it IS weaker than many people think. As a matter of fact I predicted a third round knockout in the Pac fight. Erik has just so much will and "dare to be great" attributes to get knocked out.

Almost all Pac's knock downs against Morales was from accumulation/heavy volume of punches. I said "almost" coz Manny did nail Erik with a perfect left hook in the 1st KD (3rd fight).

Morales' chin isn't weak. He got tagged viciously with that left hook coz he executed an all or nothing - kamikaze move. He didn't even see that punch comin.

Your a Pacquiao fan, so I wouldn't expect you to know that much more about Morales.

I know him as a great fighter and kind gentle person. I saw him once in person @ SD mall, pushing infant stroller along with his wife and some family members. What you see from him on TV is what he really is.


"I treat people the way they treat me"

- Erik Morales