Benn: Calzaghe far too good for Brit/Euro

[Fenster]

Haha the Calzaghe fanboys are out in force!!!! The point is in 50 years time when people look back they
ll see that Kessler travelled to take on top opposition and Joe did not. Hence Keesler will get more respect if they have similiar records. Also not one of the Calzaghe fans disagreed with me when i said Kessler could easily have Calzaghes record if he fought S*** opposition in his home country like joe has done.....

Grade A cock!

Go have a better look at Joes record he has beaton 6 World Champions.

Anyone who'd call another guy a Cock on a chat line has issues. U completely prove my point. Anytime poor Joe gets some criticism u go off your lid. GROW UP. Why is it everytime i somehow criticize Joe my sad clicks go up but any other fight fans can take the criticism. Dont be stupid. If Roy Jones had fought the low level opponents Joe has u'd bag him Kessler could fight the same fighters Joe has and have 20 defenses. Robin Reid is not great, Brewer had 8 losses when he fought Joe and had been easily beat by echols not long before. Keith Holmes beat Woodhall easier than Joe, and Byron Mitchell kd Joe and he'd already lost to Ottke and Bruno Girard who were hardly great fighters. Lacy is the biggest win of Joes career. Hardly an outstanding legacy. I have no doubt about Joes ability but my point is he has not fought a great level of opponent for a champ who has had 20 defenses and that cannot be denied.
I think that is some good logic for a Grade A cock....

Not really. Knocking the worth of world class fighters to damage the worth of another world class fighter is quite silly.

Why are you pointing out Mitchell floored Calzaghe? Believe it or not great fighters go over. What's important is Calzaghe got up and smashed the piss out of him. Lou Del Valle couldn't beat Bruno Girard either yet he dumped Roy Jones on his arse. Do you hold that knockdown against Roy

Keith Holmes beat Woodhall easier than Joe

[BIG H]

Haha the Calzaghe fanboys are out in force!!!! The point is in 50 years time when people look back they
ll see that Kessler travelled to take on top opposition and Joe did not. Hence Keesler will get more respect if they have similiar records. Also not one of the Calzaghe fans disagreed with me when i said Kessler could easily have Calzaghes record if he fought S*** opposition in his home country like joe has done.....

Grade A cock!

Go have a better look at Joes record he has beaton 6 World Champions.

Anyone who'd call another guy a Cock on a chat line has issues. U completely prove my point. Anytime poor Joe gets some criticism u go off your lid. GROW UP. Why is it everytime i somehow criticize Joe my sad clicks go up but any other fight fans can take the criticism. Dont be stupid. If Roy Jones had fought the low level opponents Joe has u'd bag him Kessler could fight the same fighters Joe has and have 20 defenses. Robin Reid is not great, Brewer had 8 losses when he fought Joe and had been easily beat by echols not long before. Keith Holmes beat Woodhall easier than Joe, and Byron Mitchell kd Joe and he'd already lost to Ottke and Bruno Girard who were hardly great fighters. Lacy is the biggest win of Joes career. Hardly an outstanding legacy. I have no doubt about Joes ability but my point is he has not fought a great level of opponent for a champ who has had 20 defenses and that cannot be denied.
I think that is some good logic for a Grade A cock....

I think you wanna have another look at Jones record, because I can't remember all the World class prime fighters he beat? James Toney maybe

[ICB]

Haha the Calzaghe fanboys are out in force!!!! The point is in 50 years time when people look back they
ll see that Kessler travelled to take on top opposition and Joe did not. Hence Keesler will get more respect if they have similiar records. Also not one of the Calzaghe fans disagreed with me when i said Kessler could easily have Calzaghes record if he fought S*** opposition in his home country like joe has done.....

Grade A cock!

Go have a better look at Joes record he has beaton 6 World Champions.

Anyone who'd call another guy a Cock on a chat line has issues. U completely prove my point. Anytime poor Joe gets some criticism u go off your lid. GROW UP. Why is it everytime i somehow criticize Joe my sad clicks go up but any other fight fans can take the criticism. Dont be stupid. If Roy Jones had fought the low level opponents Joe has u'd bag him Kessler could fight the same fighters Joe has and have 20 defenses. Robin Reid is not great, Brewer had 8 losses when he fought Joe and had been easily beat by echols not long before. Keith Holmes beat Woodhall easier than Joe, and Byron Mitchell kd Joe and he'd already lost to Ottke and Bruno Girard who were hardly great fighters. Lacy is the biggest win of Joes career. Hardly an outstanding legacy. I have no doubt about Joes ability but my point is he has not fought a great level of opponent for a champ who has had 20 defenses and that cannot be denied.
I think that is some good logic for a Grade A cock....

I think you wanna have another look at Jones record, because I can't remember all the World class prime fighters he beat? James Toney maybe

Virgil Hill
Montel Griffin
Bernard Hopkins yes ok he wasn't the Hopkins of old but he was still the champion and had more fights than Jones

Vinny Pazienza
Thomas Tate Went 12 rounds with Julian Jackson enough said
Clinton Woods
John Ruiz
Anthony Hanshaw
James Toney

Toney, Hill, Hopkins are all hall of famers Joe's record isn't even close to Jones BIG H.

[BIG H]

Haha the Calzaghe fanboys are out in force!!!! The point is in 50 years time when people look back they
ll see that Kessler travelled to take on top opposition and Joe did not. Hence Keesler will get more respect if they have similiar records. Also not one of the Calzaghe fans disagreed with me when i said Kessler could easily have Calzaghes record if he fought S*** opposition in his home country like joe has done.....

Grade A cock!

Go have a better look at Joes record he has beaton 6 World Champions.

Anyone who'd call another guy a Cock on a chat line has issues. U completely prove my point. Anytime poor Joe gets some criticism u go off your lid. GROW UP. Why is it everytime i somehow criticize Joe my sad clicks go up but any other fight fans can take the criticism. Dont be stupid. If Roy Jones had fought the low level opponents Joe has u'd bag him Kessler could fight the same fighters Joe has and have 20 defenses. Robin Reid is not great, Brewer had 8 losses when he fought Joe and had been easily beat by echols not long before. Keith Holmes beat Woodhall easier than Joe, and Byron Mitchell kd Joe and he'd already lost to Ottke and Bruno Girard who were hardly great fighters. Lacy is the biggest win of Joes career. Hardly an outstanding legacy. I have no doubt about Joes ability but my point is he has not fought a great level of opponent for a champ who has had 20 defenses and that cannot be denied.
I think that is some good logic for a Grade A cock....

I think you wanna have another look at Jones record, because I can't remember all the World class prime fighters he beat? James Toney maybe

Virgil Hill
Montel Griffin
Bernard Hopkins yes ok he wasn't the Hopkins of old but he was still the champion and had more fights than Jones
Vinny Pazienza
Thomas Tate Went 12 rounds with Julian Jackson enough said
Clinton Woods
John Ruiz
Anthony Hanshaw

I'll maybe give you Griffin and B-Hop - based on the criteria in my post

[BIG H]

I'm sure I said 'Prime'

[ICB]

I'm sure I said 'Prime'

Hill may of not been in his *absolute* peak but he was still very formidable he wern't that much past his prime his only losses at that point was 12 round decision to Dariusz Michalczewski and 12 round decision to Thomas Hearns so he wern't that much past it.

Ruiz may not be great hw but it was still amazing feat what Jones done.

[Wacko3205]

There are a lot of fighters on Joe's record that are worthy opponents & people just trash them because they don't know who they are or what they were capable of prior to Joe handling them.

As far as Jones' record goes...I have HUGE issues with the majority of fighters that Jones beat. He looked great beating them...as would Joe have looked had they been on that side of the pond.

Many people discount fighters like Viet & Ashira & Bika...yet they are still contenders today & have beaten game opposition.

[ICB]

There are a lot of fighters on Joe's record that are worthy opponents & people just trash them because they don't know who they are or what they were capable of prior to Joe handling them.

As far as Jones' record goes...I have HUGE issues with the majority of fighters that Jones beat. He looked great beating them...as would Joe have looked had they been on that side of the pond.

Many people discount fighters like Viet & Ashira & Bika...yet they are still contenders today & have beaten game opposition.

No sorry i can't agree with that Calzaghe wouldn't of stopped Hill Toney would of Beat Calzaghe even young Hopkins would of had good shot at Calzaghe and Griffin would of gave Calzaghe hell aswell i don't see Calzaghe beating alot of these names let alone beating em easy.

Toney
Hopkins
Hill
Griffin

[Wacko3205]

There are a lot of fighters on Joe's record that are worthy opponents & people just trash them because they don't know who they are or what they were capable of prior to Joe handling them.

As far as Jones' record goes...I have HUGE issues with the majority of fighters that Jones beat. He looked great beating them...as would Joe have looked had they been on that side of the pond.

Many people discount fighters like Viet & Ashira & Bika...yet they are still contenders today & have beaten game opposition.

No sorry i can't agree with that Calzaghe wouldn't of stopped Hill Toney would of Beat Calzaghe even young Hopkins would of had good shot at Calzaghe and Griffin would of gave Calzaghe hell aswell i don't see Calzaghe beating alot of these names let alone beating em easy.

Toney
Hopkins
Hill
Griffin

Apology accepted...but you don't know the outcome of those possible matches anymore than I do.

Saying that Joe has never faced anyone like the names above can be flipped to fit them also.

Hopkins has never fought anyone as fast or angular as Joe outside of Jones & that was prior to Hopkins being the craftsman that he became.

Griffin is & was a joke & I personally believe that Joe would have smoked him.

Prime for prime...Hill & Toney...Toney would have been the tuffest test for Calzaghe. Him or Jones...but again...that's all speculation.

Speculate all you want...but the majority of Calzaghe's detractors either came up hearing & believing all the mash about Joe prior to seeing it & believing it.

It's conditioning to hate & rip Joe apart...many on this forum are guilty of doing so & are already predisposed to that opinion.

[Violent Demise]

Haha the Calzaghe fanboys are out in force!!!! The point is in 50 years time when people look back they
ll see that Kessler travelled to take on top opposition and Joe did not. Hence Keesler will get more respect if they have similiar records. Also not one of the Calzaghe fans disagreed with me when i said Kessler could easily have Calzaghes record if he fought S*** opposition in his home country like joe has done.....

In 50 years time nobody will be talking about either fighter.

Well lets change it to 20 years then, u still havent answered the question. Any fighter of decent skill with a title could fight 20 boxers that dont have near the talent of him at their home venue and have 20 wins. S*** even Sven Ottke could and all i hear is how bad he was yet Joe is some kinda star for doing the same thing. 20 odd defenses against bums is not worth 5 against top guys. Even a close loss to a guy like Hopkins or Jones would have done more for Joes legacy than his wins aginst Manfredo and othe assorted bums.

This is the problem with guys like you. If you weren't around to watch the Ottke era I'm betting the first Calzaghe fight you saw was Lacy, right? So now you look at Joes record and see names like Eubank, Reid, Brewer, Mitchell, Woodhall etc, and because these names don't mean anything to you, you mistakenly believe them to be bums. When in fact it's clear to see Calzaghe has beaten plenty of world class fighters, and must be an exceptional talent to have remained unbeaten over such a length of time.

Fighting Hopkins and Jones would have been great. But you can't fight them if they're not willing to face you.

And in 50 years time no-one will give a flying F*** about where the fight took place just who WON!!!

Reid, Brewer, Mitchell, Woodhall

Reid got outboxed by 42 year old Malinga and wern't consider that much of a threat at that time.

Woodhall had been floored 3 times by Beyer and his only notable win before the Calzaghe fight in 2 years was against a 43 year old Malinga Woodhall was a former champ and was considered washed up.

Byron Mitchell's only claim to fame at that time was losing controversial decision to Ottke but who didn't ?? he had few decent wins like Frankie Liles, but was also floored by a 15-3 fighter Manny Siaca and only just about winning a sd.

Charlers Brewer ?? this ain't same Brewer that before Calzaghe fight was stopped by Antwun Echols in 3 rounds and was floored 3 times by a feather fisted old Herol Graham face it Fenster most of Calzaghe's best win are against former world champions who wern't considered much of a threat or washed up i mean Woodhall and Brewer were considered threats ??

Post debate interview

Commentator: Ice scores the first round knock out. Ice's dominating run (debating) continues. Now let's go to or guess speaker, Hall of Fame poster, Violent Demise. Your opinion champ?

Violent Demise: Ice did what he had to do. He went straight to the facts and ended it early. Fenster who was never more than a journeyman poster is now a shot journeyman poster. Ice was impressive.

Commentator: Yes, Ice did look good. What about Fenster? You think his glory days are over?

Violent Demise: What glory days?

Commentator: There you have it folks. Ice makes it a early night. Till next time

[ICB]

Haha the Calzaghe fanboys are out in force!!!! The point is in 50 years time when people look back they
ll see that Kessler travelled to take on top opposition and Joe did not. Hence Keesler will get more respect if they have similiar records. Also not one of the Calzaghe fans disagreed with me when i said Kessler could easily have Calzaghes record if he fought S*** opposition in his home country like joe has done.....

In 50 years time nobody will be talking about either fighter.

Well lets change it to 20 years then, u still havent answered the question. Any fighter of decent skill with a title could fight 20 boxers that dont have near the talent of him at their home venue and have 20 wins. S*** even Sven Ottke could and all i hear is how bad he was yet Joe is some kinda star for doing the same thing. 20 odd defenses against bums is not worth 5 against top guys. Even a close loss to a guy like Hopkins or Jones would have done more for Joes legacy than his wins aginst Manfredo and othe assorted bums.

This is the problem with guys like you. If you weren't around to watch the Ottke era I'm betting the first Calzaghe fight you saw was Lacy, right? So now you look at Joes record and see names like Eubank, Reid, Brewer, Mitchell, Woodhall etc, and because these names don't mean anything to you, you mistakenly believe them to be bums. When in fact it's clear to see Calzaghe has beaten plenty of world class fighters, and must be an exceptional talent to have remained unbeaten over such a length of time.

Fighting Hopkins and Jones would have been great. But you can't fight them if they're not willing to face you.

And in 50 years time no-one will give a flying F*** about where the fight took place just who WON!!!

Reid, Brewer, Mitchell, Woodhall

Reid got outboxed by 42 year old Malinga and wern't consider that much of a threat at that time.

Woodhall had been floored 3 times by Beyer and his only notable win before the Calzaghe fight in 2 years was against a 43 year old Malinga Woodhall was a former champ and was considered washed up.

Byron Mitchell's only claim to fame at that time was losing controversial decision to Ottke but who didn't ?? he had few decent wins like Frankie Liles, but was also floored by a 15-3 fighter Manny Siaca and only just about winning a sd.

Charlers Brewer ?? this ain't same Brewer that before Calzaghe fight was stopped by Antwun Echols in 3 rounds and was floored 3 times by a feather fisted old Herol Graham face it Fenster most of Calzaghe's best win are against former world champions who wern't considered much of a threat or washed up i mean Woodhall and Brewer were considered threats ??

Post debate interview

Commentator: Ice scores the first round knock out. Ice's dominating run (debating) continues. Now let's go to or guess speaker, Hall of Fame poster, Violent Demise. Your opinion champ?

Violent Demise: Ice did what he had to do. He went straight to the facts and ended it early. Fenster who was never more than a journeyman poster is now a shot journeyman poster. Ice was impressive.

Commentator: Yes, Ice did look good. What about Fenster? You think his glory days are over?

Violent Demise: What glory days?

Commentator: There you have it folks. Ice makes it a early night. Till next time

[ICB]

ICB, I mean this in the nicest possible way. F*** off.

Hope this helps.

What because these names you mentioned that were considered *threats* i just proved you wrong so you act childish ?? wow very mature of you Fenster.

Just a joke son, don't take everything to heart.

You didn't prove me wrong. All you're doing is expressing an opinion. The guys listed were world class fighters. Fact. The very fact Calzaghe is able to outclass these types of guys is what sets him apart as an ELITE world class fighter.

Well i wouldn't call them world class i would call them step below world class people like Woodhall, and Brewer would come under that category but really and truthfully were Woodhall, Brewer, considered threats at all ?? most of the former world champions Calzaghe beat were past it or just not considered threats i mean did anyone think he would lose to Mitchell, Woodhall, or Brewer did anyone really considered these guys of a much threat ?? because fighters like Brewer, Wooldhall, Mitchell claim to fame was in losing efforts.

Of course those guys were threats, they were all proven quality performers, just cause Calzaghe started favourite, and won, doesn't mean they were S*** fighters. It's what sets Calzaghe apart as the ELITE supermiddle of his time. I think you're confusing world class fighters with the very ELITE world class (Hopkins, Jones etc). He tried for fights with Hopkins/Jones but they didn't come off.

It's unfair to bust apart fighters records and it can be done to just about anyone.

Im not getting anything confused most of these guys i mentioned are more remembered for there losing efforts than winning ones and busting Calzaghe's record apart is acceptable because with that many title defences to only have old shot Eubank and prospect Lacy as your best wins something isn't right is it ??

[eagle]

ICB, I mean this in the nicest possible way. F*** off.

Hope this helps.

What because these names you mentioned that were considered *threats* i just proved you wrong so you act childish ?? wow very mature of you Fenster.

Just a joke son, don't take everything to heart.

You didn't prove me wrong. All you're doing is expressing an opinion. The guys listed were world class fighters. Fact. The very fact Calzaghe is able to outclass these types of guys is what sets him apart as an ELITE world class fighter.

Well i wouldn't call them world class i would call them step below world class people like Woodhall, and Brewer would come under that category but really and truthfully were Woodhall, Brewer, considered threats at all ?? most of the former world champions Calzaghe beat were past it or just not considered threats i mean did anyone think he would lose to Mitchell, Woodhall, or Brewer did anyone really considered these guys of a much threat ?? because fighters like Brewer, Wooldhall, Mitchell claim to fame was in losing efforts.

Of course those guys were threats, they were all proven quality performers, just cause Calzaghe started favourite, and won, doesn't mean they were S*** fighters. It's what sets Calzaghe apart as the ELITE supermiddle of his time. I think you're confusing world class fighters with the very ELITE world class (Hopkins, Jones etc). He tried for fights with Hopkins/Jones but they didn't come off.

It's unfair to bust apart fighters records and it can be done to just about anyone.

Im not getting anything confused most of these guys i mentioned are more remembered for there losing efforts than winning ones and busting Calzaghe's record apart is acceptable because with that many title defences to only have old shot Eubank and prospect Lacy as your best wins something isn't right is it ??

Exactly. How can some of these guys even begin to compare Joe's record to RJJ's? It does not even compare.

There are a lot of fighters on Joe's record that are worthy opponents & people just trash them because they don't know who they are or what they were capable of prior to Joe handling them.

As far as Jones' record goes...I have HUGE issues with the majority of fighters that Jones beat. He looked great beating them...as would Joe have looked had they been on that side of the pond.

Many people discount fighters like Viet & Ashira & Bika...yet they are still contenders today & have beaten game opposition.

Come on Wacko u know more about boxing than that. RJJ totally destroyed Toney, do u honestly believe JOe would do the same. The second fight with Griffin was one of the greatest one round beat downs ever of a name fighter. Viet, Ashira and Bika looked reasonably competitive with JOe, Jones would have toyed with all three.

[ICB]

There are a lot of fighters on Joe's record that are worthy opponents & people just trash them because they don't know who they are or what they were capable of prior to Joe handling them.

As far as Jones' record goes...I have HUGE issues with the majority of fighters that Jones beat. He looked great beating them...as would Joe have looked had they been on that side of the pond.

Many people discount fighters like Viet & Ashira & Bika...yet they are still contenders today & have beaten game opposition.

No sorry i can't agree with that Calzaghe wouldn't of stopped Hill Toney would of Beat Calzaghe even young Hopkins would of had good shot at Calzaghe and Griffin would of gave Calzaghe hell aswell i don't see Calzaghe beating alot of these names let alone beating em easy.

Toney
Hopkins
Hill
Griffin

Apology accepted...but you don't know the outcome of those possible matches anymore than I do.

Saying that Joe has never faced anyone like the names above can be flipped to fit them also.

Hopkins has never fought anyone as fast or angular as Joe outside of Jones & that was prior to Hopkins being the craftsman that he became.

Griffin is & was a joke & I personally believe that Joe would have smoked him.

Prime for prime...Hill & Toney...Toney would have been the tuffest test for Calzaghe. Him or Jones...but again...that's all speculation.

Speculate all you want...but the majority of Calzaghe's detractors either came up hearing & believing all the mash about Joe prior to seeing it & believing it.

It's conditioning to hate & rip Joe apart...many on this forum are guilty of doing so & are already predisposed to that opinion.

Griffin was actually good fighter he did beat James Toney no one denies Calzaghe hasn't got great skills but i've never seen him fight anyone near the class of Toney.

And this has to be said that Calzaghe couldn't carry Jones jockstrap based on there best wins and there records and to be honest prime Jones would of mopped the floor with Calzaghe difference is Calzaghe is good fighter who has no real wins where as Jones is one of the most gifted boxers of all time and made hall of famers look stupid and dominated them.

[BIG H]

Icecold & VD get a room