Sean O'Grady-the most padded record in boxing history?

[Myk_Myk]

no way is his the worst.

Don Steele
http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php...7454&cat=boxer

The most deceiving record you'll ever see in your life. The only person he beat with a winning record was 5-2-1. If you want a lugh go ahead and look up the mercer ko.

Heh, didn't they show that KO on "Nuthin' But Knockouts", with Sean commentating?

[Punisher136]

no way is his the worst.

Don Steele
http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php...7454&cat=boxer

The most deceiving record you'll ever see in your life. The only person he beat with a winning record was 5-2-1. If you want a lugh go ahead and look up the mercer ko.

Heh, didn't they show that KO on "Nuthin' But Knockouts", with Sean commentating?

Thats when I saw it. Not sure if he was commentating that fight but it's a possibility.

[soonerboxingfan]

I have talked to Sean O'Grady on several occasions ...... I never seen him fight.. nor am I familiar with his record... I can tell you , that you wont find a nicer person , anyone that has met him will tell you that same... Top man !

it was years ago.. I vaguely remember him telling me that he had several surgeries during his career to shave off the edges of his high cheek bones, said the high cheek bones caused him to cut and swell something fierce..

I grew up in OKC and I watched A LOT of Sean O'Grady's fights growing up. There have been some very true and untrue statements made and I would like to put my two cents in. One, he was most certainly one of boxing's great bleeders. I saw him fight some guy on TV whose name escapes me in OKC I believe. I forget how it happened but he got cut over one eye and I have never seen a fighter bleed so much. There was blood from his forehead to his toes. He won but it was pretty gruesome. Two, his father took advantage of him pretty bad. He was not a nice guy in a lot of ways but what can you expect from a boxing promoter? Lastly, yes he got spoonfed quite a few opponents. BUT, realize he started boxing professionally at 15, no doubt with encouragement from the old man who was his promoter. As talented as O'Grady was, (and he was talented) a guy barely into his teens has no business being in the ring with legit contenders. His daddy thought that Sean was good enough to take on Danny Lopez. He figured that Lopez's career was slowing down. Sean went in swinging like he did against those jabronies he fought in OKC and Lopez handed him his ass. Lopez won the featherweight title later that year. Over time, O'Grady would occasionally fight legit fighters. In 1978, when he was 19 I think he fought Eddie Freeman in Las Vegas. Freeman was 21-1 and O'Grady won by TKO in Round 1. A month later he fought Romeo Anaya who was a former Bantamweight champ and won by TKO in 3. A couple of years later he fought undefeated and top contender Gonzalo Montellano and won a split decision. Four short months later he's fighting for the Lightweight championship against Jim Watt and was ahead on points in the 12th when the ref stopped it on cuts because of a Watt headbutt. Since the fight was in Scotland they said it was because of a punch. Scotland being the home of the champion. O'Grady was ahead by 4 points on 2 of the scorecards. Five months later he's fighting Hilmer Kenty for the WBA title. (Watt was the WBC champ.) Kenty was 20-0 and had already defended it 3 times successfully. He was also BTW the first world champ from the Kronk. O'Grady beat him in 15 and it was in no way close. After that it gets weird and can be Googled if you need more info. He did fight Pete Ranzany not too long before he quit and it was the first boxing card Sly Stallone ever promoted. O'Grady fought at welterweight and lost a close decision to a guy who once fought for the Welterweight title and had fought Leonard, McCrory, Benitez, and Cuevas. So to say he was overrated and never beat anybody is a little unfair. He was a legit champ. I think he was handled wrong and got burned out from fighting 10-12 times a year for 8 years. With proper training, promotion, and management(which he wasn't getting from his father) he could've been Lightweight champ for at least a year as long as he stayed away from Arguello.

[brucelee]

I have talked to Sean O'Grady on several occasions ...... I never seen him fight.. nor am I familiar with his record... I can tell you , that you wont find a nicer person , anyone that has met him will tell you that same... Top man !

it was years ago.. I vaguely remember him telling me that he had several surgeries during his career to shave off the edges of his high cheek bones, said the high cheek bones caused him to cut and swell something fierce..

I grew up in OKC and I watched A LOT of Sean O'Grady's fights growing up. There have been some very true and untrue statements made and I would like to put my two cents in. One, he was most certainly one of boxing's great bleeders. I saw him fight some guy on TV whose name escapes me in OKC I believe. I forget how it happened but he got cut over one eye and I have never seen a fighter bleed so much. There was blood from his forehead to his toes. He won but it was pretty gruesome. Two, his father took advantage of him pretty bad. He was not a nice guy in a lot of ways but what can you expect from a boxing promoter? Lastly, yes he got spoonfed quite a few opponents. BUT, realize he started boxing professionally at 15, no doubt with encouragement from the old man who was his promoter. As talented as O'Grady was, (and he was talented) a guy barely into his teens has no business being in the ring with legit contenders. His daddy thought that Sean was good enough to take on Danny Lopez. He figured that Lopez's career was slowing down. Sean went in swinging like he did against those jabronies he fought in OKC and Lopez handed him his a**. Lopez won the featherweight title later that year. Over time, O'Grady would occasionally fight legit fighters. In 1978, when he was 19 I think he fought Eddie Freeman in Las Vegas. Freeman was 21-1 and O'Grady won by TKO in Round 1. A month later he fought Romeo Anaya who was a former Bantamweight champ and won by TKO in 3. A couple of years later he fought undefeated and top contender Gonzalo Montellano and won a split decision. Four short months later he's fighting for the Lightweight championship against Jim Watt and was ahead on points in the 12th when the ref stopped it on cuts because of a Watt headbutt. Since the fight was in Scotland they said it was because of a punch. Scotland being the home of the champion. O'Grady was ahead by 4 points on 2 of the scorecards. Five months later he's fighting Hilmer Kenty for the WBA title. (Watt was the WBC champ.) Kenty was 20-0 and had already defended it 3 times successfully. He was also BTW the first world champ from the Kronk. O'Grady beat him in 15 and it was in no way close. After that it gets weird and can be Googled if you need more info. He did fight Pete Ranzany not too long before he quit and it was the first boxing card Sly Stallone ever promoted. O'Grady fought at welterweight and lost a close decision to a guy who once fought for the Welterweight title and had fought Leonard, McCrory, Benitez, and Cuevas. So to say he was overrated and never beat anybody is a little unfair. He was a legit champ. I think he was handled wrong and got burned out from fighting 10-12 times a year for 8 years. With proper training, promotion, and management(which he wasn't getting from his father) he could've been Lightweight champ for at least a year as long as he stayed away from Arguello.

first of all, get your first cc from me and another cc tomorrow if you are still here.

Nice of you to defend O'Grady. I was planning of doing it but you made a very good point here. Actually, you said it all.

[BoomBoom]

I have talked to Sean O'Grady on several occasions ...... I never seen him fight.. nor am I familiar with his record... I can tell you , that you wont find a nicer person , anyone that has met him will tell you that same... Top man !

it was years ago.. I vaguely remember him telling me that he had several surgeries during his career to shave off the edges of his high cheek bones, said the high cheek bones caused him to cut and swell something fierce..

I grew up in OKC and I watched A LOT of Sean O'Grady's fights growing up. There have been some very true and untrue statements made and I would like to put my two cents in. One, he was most certainly one of boxing's great bleeders. I saw him fight some guy on TV whose name escapes me in OKC I believe. I forget how it happened but he got cut over one eye and I have never seen a fighter bleed so much. There was blood from his forehead to his toes. He won but it was pretty gruesome. Two, his father took advantage of him pretty bad. He was not a nice guy in a lot of ways but what can you expect from a boxing promoter? Lastly, yes he got spoonfed quite a few opponents. BUT, realize he started boxing professionally at 15, no doubt with encouragement from the old man who was his promoter. As talented as O'Grady was, (and he was talented) a guy barely into his teens has no business being in the ring with legit contenders. His daddy thought that Sean was good enough to take on Danny Lopez. He figured that Lopez's career was slowing down. Sean went in swinging like he did against those jabronies he fought in OKC and Lopez handed him his a**. Lopez won the featherweight title later that year. Over time, O'Grady would occasionally fight legit fighters. In 1978, when he was 19 I think he fought Eddie Freeman in Las Vegas. Freeman was 21-1 and O'Grady won by TKO in Round 1. A month later he fought Romeo Anaya who was a former Bantamweight champ and won by TKO in 3. A couple of years later he fought undefeated and top contender Gonzalo Montellano and won a split decision. Four short months later he's fighting for the Lightweight championship against Jim Watt and was ahead on points in the 12th when the ref stopped it on cuts because of a Watt headbutt. Since the fight was in Scotland they said it was because of a punch. Scotland being the home of the champion. O'Grady was ahead by 4 points on 2 of the scorecards. Five months later he's fighting Hilmer Kenty for the WBA title. (Watt was the WBC champ.) Kenty was 20-0 and had already defended it 3 times successfully. He was also BTW the first world champ from the Kronk. O'Grady beat him in 15 and it was in no way close. After that it gets weird and can be Googled if you need more info. He did fight Pete Ranzany not too long before he quit and it was the first boxing card Sly Stallone ever promoted. O'Grady fought at welterweight and lost a close decision to a guy who once fought for the Welterweight title and had fought Leonard, McCrory, Benitez, and Cuevas. So to say he was overrated and never beat anybody is a little unfair. He was a legit champ. I think he was handled wrong and got burned out from fighting 10-12 times a year for 8 years. With proper training, promotion, and management(which he wasn't getting from his father) he could've been Lightweight champ for at least a year as long as he stayed away from Arguello.

The Hilmer Kenty fight was a great competitive fight. Your right that his father ruined his career. It hink his biggest mistake though was going with "Bubblegum" as a nickname

[Deanrw]

I just read his boxrec profile. Yeah he was spoon fed opponents. One thing i go give him credit for is being acting though, 32 fights in 1975 and 76!LOL

You never see that kind of activity in the ring anymore. They should have been considered sparring sessions more than actual fights.

[ICB]

I have talked to Sean O'Grady on several occasions ...... I never seen him fight.. nor am I familiar with his record... I can tell you , that you wont find a nicer person , anyone that has met him will tell you that same... Top man !

it was years ago.. I vaguely remember him telling me that he had several surgeries during his career to shave off the edges of his high cheek bones, said the high cheek bones caused him to cut and swell something fierce..

I grew up in OKC and I watched A LOT of Sean O'Grady's fights growing up. There have been some very true and untrue statements made and I would like to put my two cents in. One, he was most certainly one of boxing's great bleeders. I saw him fight some guy on TV whose name escapes me in OKC I believe. I forget how it happened but he got cut over one eye and I have never seen a fighter bleed so much. There was blood from his forehead to his toes. He won but it was pretty gruesome. Two, his father took advantage of him pretty bad. He was not a nice guy in a lot of ways but what can you expect from a boxing promoter? Lastly, yes he got spoonfed quite a few opponents. BUT, realize he started boxing professionally at 15, no doubt with encouragement from the old man who was his promoter. As talented as O'Grady was, (and he was talented) a guy barely into his teens has no business being in the ring with legit contenders. His daddy thought that Sean was good enough to take on Danny Lopez. He figured that Lopez's career was slowing down. Sean went in swinging like he did against those jabronies he fought in OKC and Lopez handed him his a**. Lopez won the featherweight title later that year. Over time, O'Grady would occasionally fight legit fighters. In 1978, when he was 19 I think he fought Eddie Freeman in Las Vegas. Freeman was 21-1 and O'Grady won by TKO in Round 1. A month later he fought Romeo Anaya who was a former Bantamweight champ and won by TKO in 3. A couple of years later he fought undefeated and top contender Gonzalo Montellano and won a split decision. Four short months later he's fighting for the Lightweight championship against Jim Watt and was ahead on points in the 12th when the ref stopped it on cuts because of a Watt headbutt. Since the fight was in Scotland they said it was because of a punch. Scotland being the home of the champion. O'Grady was ahead by 4 points on 2 of the scorecards. Five months later he's fighting Hilmer Kenty for the WBA title. (Watt was the WBC champ.) Kenty was 20-0 and had already defended it 3 times successfully. He was also BTW the first world champ from the Kronk. O'Grady beat him in 15 and it was in no way close. After that it gets weird and can be Googled if you need more info. He did fight Pete Ranzany not too long before he quit and it was the first boxing card Sly Stallone ever promoted. O'Grady fought at welterweight and lost a close decision to a guy who once fought for the Welterweight title and had fought Leonard, McCrory, Benitez, and Cuevas. So to say he was overrated and never beat anybody is a little unfair. He was a legit champ. I think he was handled wrong and got burned out from fighting 10-12 times a year for 8 years. With proper training, promotion, and management(which he wasn't getting from his father) he could've been Lightweight champ for at least a year as long as he stayed away from Arguello.

first of all, get your first cc from me and another cc tomorrow if you are still here.

Nice of you to defend O'Grady. I was planning of doing it but you made a very good point here. Actually, you said it all.

defend what ?? most of his fights were against 0-0 fighters you can't defend anything he fought mostly bums and when he stepped up he always lost one of the most padded records in boxing history.

[SEANIE]

I've seen O'Grady doing commentary for years now, and he's always referred to as "The Champ". I always figured that while he was no legend, he was damn good with his flashy record, but I never could name anyone he fought, and people don't talk about his fights much. So, the other day I looked up his record on Boxingrec.com and I found out why. This SOB fought so many 0-0-0 guys and bums that its not even funny. He held the WBA belt for a minute then was stripped of it for not defending against the number one contender. If you haven't seen his record, you should check it out, even after O'Grady was "Champion" and had over 50 fights, he still fukin fought guys in their pro debut.

he was managed by his dad who was one hell of a character and even formed his own sanctioning body. dont blame sean he's a good bloke he boxed who was put in front of him.

[soonerboxingfan]

I have talked to Sean O'Grady on several occasions ...... I never seen him fight.. nor am I familiar with his record... I can tell you , that you wont find a nicer person , anyone that has met him will tell you that same... Top man !

it was years ago.. I vaguely remember him telling me that he had several surgeries during his career to shave off the edges of his high cheek bones, said the high cheek bones caused him to cut and swell something fierce..

I grew up in OKC and I watched A LOT of Sean O'Grady's fights growing up. There have been some very true and untrue statements made and I would like to put my two cents in. One, he was most certainly one of boxing's great bleeders. I saw him fight some guy on TV whose name escapes me in OKC I believe. I forget how it happened but he got cut over one eye and I have never seen a fighter bleed so much. There was blood from his forehead to his toes. He won but it was pretty gruesome. Two, his father took advantage of him pretty bad. He was not a nice guy in a lot of ways but what can you expect from a boxing promoter? Lastly, yes he got spoonfed quite a few opponents. BUT, realize he started boxing professionally at 15, no doubt with encouragement from the old man who was his promoter. As talented as O'Grady was, (and he was talented) a guy barely into his teens has no business being in the ring with legit contenders. His daddy thought that Sean was good enough to take on Danny Lopez. He figured that Lopez's career was slowing down. Sean went in swinging like he did against those jabronies he fought in OKC and Lopez handed him his a**. Lopez won the featherweight title later that year. Over time, O'Grady would occasionally fight legit fighters. In 1978, when he was 19 I think he fought Eddie Freeman in Las Vegas. Freeman was 21-1 and O'Grady won by TKO in Round 1. A month later he fought Romeo Anaya who was a former Bantamweight champ and won by TKO in 3. A couple of years later he fought undefeated and top contender Gonzalo Montellano and won a split decision. Four short months later he's fighting for the Lightweight championship against Jim Watt and was ahead on points in the 12th when the ref stopped it on cuts because of a Watt headbutt. Since the fight was in Scotland they said it was because of a punch. Scotland being the home of the champion. O'Grady was ahead by 4 points on 2 of the scorecards. Five months later he's fighting Hilmer Kenty for the WBA title. (Watt was the WBC champ.) Kenty was 20-0 and had already defended it 3 times successfully. He was also BTW the first world champ from the Kronk. O'Grady beat him in 15 and it was in no way close. After that it gets weird and can be Googled if you need more info. He did fight Pete Ranzany not too long before he quit and it was the first boxing card Sly Stallone ever promoted. O'Grady fought at welterweight and lost a close decision to a guy who once fought for the Welterweight title and had fought Leonard, McCrory, Benitez, and Cuevas. So to say he was overrated and never beat anybody is a little unfair. He was a legit champ. I think he was handled wrong and got burned out from fighting 10-12 times a year for 8 years. With proper training, promotion, and management(which he wasn't getting from his father) he could've been Lightweight champ for at least a year as long as he stayed away from Arguello.

first of all, get your first cc from me and another cc tomorrow if you are still here.

Nice of you to defend O'Grady. I was planning of doing it but you made a very good point here. Actually, you said it all.

defend what ?? most of his fights were against 0-0 fighters you can't defend anything he fought mostly bums and when he stepped up he always lost one of the most padded records in boxing history.

Padded? Yes. Always lost? The facts say otherwise. All successful boxers records are padded to a certain degree anyway. Pretty Boy Floyd is the best fighter in the world right? One year before he won his 1st title he fought two guys a month apart. Their records? 14-11-3 and 20-18-1. O'Grady's daddy the promoter wanted him to fight in OKC so that's where he fought. He had no choice who or when to fight. Who was he going to complain to? His father? Sean O'Grady was a goldmine for his father and he milked it for all it was worth. His daddy wasn't interested in putting on a competitive fight, he was intersted in putting asses in the seats which put money in his pocket and Pat O'Grady rode his prize horse absolutely into the grave. Sean fought TWO world champions in FIVE months. He beat Kenty and should have beat Watt. When he fought Ganigan it was his 11th fight in two years. He was WORE OUT. You cannot do that to a fighter.

[drgonzo]

I'd have to say Sven Ottke takes the cake. Every decent fighter he ever fought he lost to and was given gift decisions.

[ICB]

I have talked to Sean O'Grady on several occasions ...... I never seen him fight.. nor am I familiar with his record... I can tell you , that you wont find a nicer person , anyone that has met him will tell you that same... Top man !

it was years ago.. I vaguely remember him telling me that he had several surgeries during his career to shave off the edges of his high cheek bones, said the high cheek bones caused him to cut and swell something fierce..

I grew up in OKC and I watched A LOT of Sean O'Grady's fights growing up. There have been some very true and untrue statements made and I would like to put my two cents in. One, he was most certainly one of boxing's great bleeders. I saw him fight some guy on TV whose name escapes me in OKC I believe. I forget how it happened but he got cut over one eye and I have never seen a fighter bleed so much. There was blood from his forehead to his toes. He won but it was pretty gruesome. Two, his father took advantage of him pretty bad. He was not a nice guy in a lot of ways but what can you expect from a boxing promoter? Lastly, yes he got spoonfed quite a few opponents. BUT, realize he started boxing professionally at 15, no doubt with encouragement from the old man who was his promoter. As talented as O'Grady was, (and he was talented) a guy barely into his teens has no business being in the ring with legit contenders. His daddy thought that Sean was good enough to take on Danny Lopez. He figured that Lopez's career was slowing down. Sean went in swinging like he did against those jabronies he fought in OKC and Lopez handed him his a**. Lopez won the featherweight title later that year. Over time, O'Grady would occasionally fight legit fighters. In 1978, when he was 19 I think he fought Eddie Freeman in Las Vegas. Freeman was 21-1 and O'Grady won by TKO in Round 1. A month later he fought Romeo Anaya who was a former Bantamweight champ and won by TKO in 3. A couple of years later he fought undefeated and top contender Gonzalo Montellano and won a split decision. Four short months later he's fighting for the Lightweight championship against Jim Watt and was ahead on points in the 12th when the ref stopped it on cuts because of a Watt headbutt. Since the fight was in Scotland they said it was because of a punch. Scotland being the home of the champion. O'Grady was ahead by 4 points on 2 of the scorecards. Five months later he's fighting Hilmer Kenty for the WBA title. (Watt was the WBC champ.) Kenty was 20-0 and had already defended it 3 times successfully. He was also BTW the first world champ from the Kronk. O'Grady beat him in 15 and it was in no way close. After that it gets weird and can be Googled if you need more info. He did fight Pete Ranzany not too long before he quit and it was the first boxing card Sly Stallone ever promoted. O'Grady fought at welterweight and lost a close decision to a guy who once fought for the Welterweight title and had fought Leonard, McCrory, Benitez, and Cuevas. So to say he was overrated and never beat anybody is a little unfair. He was a legit champ. I think he was handled wrong and got burned out from fighting 10-12 times a year for 8 years. With proper training, promotion, and management(which he wasn't getting from his father) he could've been Lightweight champ for at least a year as long as he stayed away from Arguello.

first of all, get your first cc from me and another cc tomorrow if you are still here.

Nice of you to defend O'Grady. I was planning of doing it but you made a very good point here. Actually, you said it all.

defend what ?? most of his fights were against 0-0 fighters you can't defend anything he fought mostly bums and when he stepped up he always lost one of the most padded records in boxing history.

Padded? Yes. Always lost? The facts say otherwise. All successful boxers records are padded to a certain degree anyway. Pretty Boy Floyd is the best fighter in the world right? One year before he won his 1st title he fought two guys a month apart. Their records? 14-11-3 and 20-18-1. O'Grady's daddy the promoter wanted him to fight in OKC so that's where he fought. He had no choice who or when to fight. Who was he going to complain to? His father? Sean O'Grady was a goldmine for his father and he milked it for all it was worth. His daddy wasn't interested in putting on a competitive fight, he was intersted in putting asses in the seats which put money in his pocket and Pat O'Grady rode his prize horse absolutely into the grave. Sean fought TWO world champions in FIVE months. He beat Kenty and should have beat Watt. When he fought Ganigan it was his 11th fight in two years. He was WORE OUT. You cannot do that to a fighter.

Padded? Yes. Always lost? The facts say otherwise. All successful boxers records are padded to a certain degree anyway. Pretty Boy Floyd is the best fighter in the world right? One year before he won his 1st title he fought two guys a month apart. Their records? 14-11-3 and 20-18-1. O'Grady's daddy the promoter wanted him to fight in OKC so that's where he fought. He had no choice who or when to fight. Who was he going to complain to? His father? Sean O'Grady was a goldmine for his father and he milked it for all it was worth. His daddy wasn't interested in putting on a competitive fight, he was intersted in putting asses in the seats which put money in his pocket and Pat O'Grady rode his prize horse absolutely into the grave. Sean fought TWO world champions in FIVE months. He beat Kenty and should have beat Watt. When he fought Ganigan it was his 11th fight in two years. He was WORE OUT. You cannot do that to a fighter

Oh please do not even compare Sean to Mayweather most of Sean's opponents were 0-0 fighters or fighters with losing records any time he stepped up in opposition he lost Mayweather beat a great fighter like Gernaro Hernandez in only his 21st pro fight and has stepped up plenty of times and proved he is a great fighter when did Sean step up and beat great fighter and prove he is a great fighter ?? never because he never beat any his record is a joke and your saying his dad was the reason Sean fought 0-0 fighters ?? wasn't Sean a grown man ?? no one forces you to anything Sean was happy fighting bums.

[donnydarkoIRL]

Valuev is the fighter currently active with the most padded record i think. Lots of question marks about his early career.

[Hulk]

A couple of people mentioned Lords Gym in the Tua retirement thread, so I looked up threads he posted in and this was one of them.

I forgot how long ago I made this thread. It was a good one.

The topic of padded records caused someone to bring up this character:

Don Steele

Don Steele - Boxer

[ruthless rocco]

Sergio Martinez has a interesting record.

in 1997, he started his career fighting fairly inexperienced guys as you'd expect a new fighter to: 0-1, 4-4, etc...

by 1999 he had progressed to fighting guys with decent records:24-4, 38-4-1,etc...

he bit off more than he could chew, in 2000, fighting Antonio Margarito(20-3) in Las Vegas. it was Martinez first fight out of Argentina. he lost, and resumed fighting less challenging fighters, to rebuild his confidence. which is the norm. so he fights some 6-2-3, 25-15-2, etc...

in 2001 he wins the FAB Argentinian nation title and appears to be stepping up his competition.

in 2002 he moves to Spain and starts facing fighters with worse records than those he fought hen he first started boxing. 8-12-1, 9-14-1, 11-10-1.

he wins the IBO light middleweight title in England defeating a guy 17-1-1; and successfully defends that title two times in England against fighters with records of 33-4-2 and 18-2-1.

in 2005, after 6 years as a pro, martinez goes back to spain and fights a guy who's 2-3.

he then fights for the WBC Latino light middleweight belt defeating an opponent with a record of 18-1. followed by fighters with records of:12-23-2, 7-9, 11-14-3, 13-24-2.

for his 40th professional fight, at the end of 2006, martinez 37-1-1 fights a guy with a staggering record of 1-7-2! followed soon after by fights against opponents with lousy records like:3-35-2, 14-4, 14-10.

in 2008 a fighter whose record 16-6 is chosen to be martinez last great punching bag before people start talking about how everyone is ducking him and how he's the most avoided fighter in the world.

he defeats Bunema, draws with Cintron and loses to Williams... then 5 fights later we're in the present day. Sergio Martinez P4P #3. one of the greatest fighters in the sport today.

i'm not buying it.

if you look at up on boxrec, and you scroll down the page... you'll notice alot of red in the records of the fighters he's chosen to face.

[TitoFan]

Can't believe we're debating who
has the most padded record ever,
after all that's been said about a
very coddled fighter who is
ever so protected by his overbearing dad, protecting his precious
zero.

Just incredible and
ridiculous, I tell you.