sam peter

[Wacko3205]

Thats right he knocked Wlad down 3 times,that must be the pinnacle of his boxing career because thats all anyone knows him for.

If they don't know Sanders...they don't know heavyweight boxing.

[El Kabong]

You know...I like Wlad & all...but this anti-Peter (heh heh heh) shit is gettin stoopid.

Two words for all you Klitschko fans that keep bringing up McCline vs Peter...Corrie Sanders.

Wlad never jumped at the gun to rematch him & don't say it was because of Vitali either. While Sanders is a heavier hitter...Wlad took his lumps & said that it was a miscalculation...if you can't give Peter the benefit of the doubt for that & couple that with the fact that Peter is still learning...you're just being close minded...

& bitter that such a limited simplton as Peter dropped Wlad 3 times. 

Corrie Sanders can punch though....looking back at it and knowing now what we know about Wladimir, it wasn't AS surprising as McCline knocking the granite chinned Sam Peter down 3 times. Surprising but come on JAMEEL MCCLINE he's not a power puncher, Corrie Sanders is! And he's a southpaw which is tougher for some guys.

I think McCline deserves a lot more credit than Peter deserves blame...Jameel usually fights big fights scared shitless and this time he stood his ground

I feel I have been fair (fairer than most) in my assesment of both Sam Peter and Wladimir Klitschko

[Wacko3205]

You know...I like Wlad & all...but this anti-Peter (heh heh heh) S*** is gettin stoopid.

Two words for all you Klitschko fans that keep bringing up McCline vs Peter...Corrie Sanders.

Wlad never jumped at the gun to rematch him & don't say it was because of Vitali either. While Sanders is a heavier hitter...Wlad took his lumps & said that it was a miscalculation...if you can't give Peter the benefit of the doubt for that & couple that with the fact that Peter is still learning...you're just being close minded...

& bitter that such a limited simplton as Peter dropped Wlad 3 times.

Corrie Sanders can punch though....looking back at it and knowing now what we know about Wladimir, it wasn't AS surprising as McCline knocking the granite chinned Sam Peter down 3 times. Surprising but come on JAMEEL MCCLINE he's not a power puncher, Corrie Sanders is! And he's a southpaw which is tougher for some guys.

I think McCline deserves a lot more credit than Peter deserves blame...Jameel usually fights big fights scared shitless and this time he stood his ground

I feel I have been fair (fairer than most) in my assesment of both Sam Peter and Wladimir Klitschko

I won't disagree there...but saying the shock of Wlad was lesser than that of Peter gettin dropped...not for me.

I would have never expected to see Wlad knocked the fuck out like that...seriously.

Peter gettin dropped yeah...by McCline...not so much...but again...Peter did get up & win so it's a moot point to push I suppose.

It's just funny to me that a Klitschko fan refuses to credit Sanders, whom in his day was a danger man of the division.

[El Kabong]

....Corrie could still KO half the guys at the top of the division and on any given day he could KO Wladimir again


That being said I think Wlad has his A-game on and he'd crush Sanders now.



Let's see Nicolay Valuev fight someone as dangerous as Corrie Sanders!!!

[BoxingGorilla]

Thats right he knocked Wlad down 3 times,that must be the pinnacle of his boxing career because thats all anyone knows him for.

Everyone knows Corrie. Sure, most people call him "the guy with the eye," but they know his history in the division.

[Big_Deuce]

wlad getting knocked down by peter means absolutely nothing to me. RABBIT PUNCHES. (i wont go through all that again)
wlad getting knocked down by corrie is valid, but vlad has proven his improvements. Samuel peter has beaten NO ONE! this powerhouse has only one name on his record Jeremy williams, who is best known for being a trainer on the contender.
im a wlad fan (obviously, i like both klitschkos). But samuel peter is a one dimensional fighter, and i ask anyone to show me otherwise.
And if you begin your reply with sentence that contains the words James toney, or 3 knockdowns then dont bother.

[El Kabong]

...also if you look at who Jameel McCline has KO'd they don't have the best chins in the division

Marcus Rhode - KO'd 27 times in 32 losses

Dan Ward - KO'd 14 times in 19 losses

Andy Sample - KO'd 16 times in 16 losses

Steve Panell - KO'd 12 times in 12 losses

Wayne Llewelyn - KO'd 5 times in 6 losses

....you get the picture, and so being able to HURT and KNOCKDOWN Sam Peter is a faaaaaaar bigger deal than Sam Peter knocking Wladimir down or Corrie Sanders stopping Wlad.....it's something if I was a Sam Peter fan I would be very worried about.....here's a guy who knows how to punch but isn't blessed with the boxing skill of a Chris Byrd or Wladimir Klitschko and now his chin has been compromised by a feather fisted fighter....so this means without a solid defense (something that could take years for him to master or even be comfortable with) he just cannot fight and beat the top teir fighters in the division.

[USA LOVES THE KLITSCHKOS]

Thats right he knocked Wlad down 3 times,that must be the pinnacle of his boxing career because thats all anyone knows him for.

If they don't know Sanders...they don't know heavyweight boxing.

This is what I commented on & bitter that such a limited simplton as Peter dropped Wlad 3 times.

[The Promoter]

...also if you look at who Jameel McCline has KO'd they don't have the best chins in the division

Marcus Rhode - KO'd 27 times in 32 losses

Dan Ward - KO'd 14 times in 19 losses

Andy Sample - KO'd 16 times in 16 losses

Steve Panell - KO'd 12 times in 12 losses

Wayne Llewelyn - KO'd 5 times in 6 losses

....you get the picture, and so being able to HURT and KNOCKDOWN Sam Peter is a faaaaaaar bigger deal than Sam Peter knocking Wladimir down or Corrie Sanders stopping Wlad.....it's something if I was a Sam Peter fan I would be very worried about.....here's a guy who knows how to punch but isn't blessed with the boxing skill of a Chris Byrd or Wladimir Klitschko and now his chin has been compromised by a feather fisted fighter....so this means without a solid defense (something that could take years for him to master or even be comfortable with) he just cannot fight and beat the top teir fighters in the division.

Or is it a bigger deal that Wlad could not hurt a one dimensional fighter like Peter? Don't get me wrong I too believe Wlad (and Vitali) are on another level than Peter skill wise....The one thing I got from this last fight with JM is that Sam Peter has taken far too many heavy punches and now looks more like David Izon than the fearsome beast that fought Wlad...

[USA LOVES THE KLITSCHKOS]

...also if you look at who Jameel McCline has KO'd they don't have the best chins in the division

Marcus Rhode - KO'd 27 times in 32 losses

Dan Ward - KO'd 14 times in 19 losses

Andy Sample - KO'd 16 times in 16 losses

Steve Panell - KO'd 12 times in 12 losses

Wayne Llewelyn - KO'd 5 times in 6 losses

....you get the picture, and so being able to HURT and KNOCKDOWN Sam Peter is a faaaaaaar bigger deal than Sam Peter knocking Wladimir down or Corrie Sanders stopping Wlad.....it's something if I was a Sam Peter fan I would be very worried about.....here's a guy who knows how to punch but isn't blessed with the boxing skill of a Chris Byrd or Wladimir Klitschko and now his chin has been compromised by a feather fisted fighter....so this means without a solid defense (something that could take years for him to master or even be comfortable with) he just cannot fight and beat the top teir fighters in the division.

Or is it a bigger deal that Wlad could not hurt a one dimensional fighter like Peter? Don't get me wrong I too believe Wlad (and Vitali) are on another level than Peter skill wise....The one thing I got from this last fight with JM is that Sam Peter has taken far too many heavy punches and now looks more like David Izon than the fearsome beast that fought Wlad...

Or is it a bigger deal Wlad stopped JM and SP couldnt even slow JM down.

[El Kabong]

...also if you look at who Jameel McCline has KO'd they don't have the best chins in the division

Marcus Rhode - KO'd 27 times in 32 losses

Dan Ward - KO'd 14 times in 19 losses

Andy Sample - KO'd 16 times in 16 losses

Steve Panell - KO'd 12 times in 12 losses

Wayne Llewelyn - KO'd 5 times in 6 losses

....you get the picture, and so being able to HURT and KNOCKDOWN Sam Peter is a faaaaaaar bigger deal than Sam Peter knocking Wladimir down or Corrie Sanders stopping Wlad.....it's something if I was a Sam Peter fan I would be very worried about.....here's a guy who knows how to punch but isn't blessed with the boxing skill of a Chris Byrd or Wladimir Klitschko and now his chin has been compromised by a feather fisted fighter....so this means without a solid defense (something that could take years for him to master or even be comfortable with) he just cannot fight and beat the top teir fighters in the division.

Or is it a bigger deal that Wlad could not hurt a one dimensional fighter like Peter? Don't get me wrong I too believe Wlad (and Vitali) are on another level than Peter skill wise....The one thing I got from this last fight with JM is that Sam Peter has taken far too many heavy punches and now looks more like David Izon than the fearsome beast that fought Wlad...

Well watch round 12 again and you'll clearly see Sam Peter HURT...besides Wlad knew better than to stand and trade with Sam Peter so he boxed him and he did a damn fine job of it......good enough to win by a large margin even after being dropped 3 times.

Sam Peter's fight vs McCline was a little too close

[Wayne]

Personally, I think McCline is on the juice. McCline is only feather-fisted because he appears afraid to commit to anything in the ring. I mean, look at the guy; he certainly doesn't look weak by any means. Had he opened up more than he did at least half of those losses would have been wins and his KO ratio would be a lot higher.

But Jameel doesn't have that in him. So why was Saturday night so different?

McCline tested clean before the fight. But that does not mean he wasn't juicing all through training camp, shoving crap into every orifice and injecting whatever he could find. Of course we can't know this, but when McCline got in the ring and behaved in an atypical fashion throughout the first half of the fight (I'd never heard McCline grunt before as he threw punches, but there he was). McCline was busier than I'd ever seen him.

I'm not ready to convict McCline of steroid abuse but the alleged purchase combined with a performance that was not his usual gives me pause. That doesn't excuse Sam Peter, though. Were he a more complete fighter many of those punches would have never found him. To his credit, he consistently worked McCline's body until he gassed out in the second half and never stopped working to pull the trigger on him (and if the steroids WERE in play that may explain how McCline was able to recover from punches that in the past have AT LEAST put him on the canvas).

And the Klitschko-Peter argument is lame. So what Sam dropped him 3 times, it has nothing to do with this match save for those who lambasted Peter solely for being dropped and not Klitschko or lambasted Klitschko for being dropped 3 times and not Peter. On any given night an elite can be dropped by a garbage can--we've all seen it, we all know it. I repeat, McCline is NOT feather-fisted, he has only been timid and for SOME strange reason he decided to be very un-McCline like and open up. I'm more concerned that Peter was unable to drop McCline (I don't buy the broken hand excuse, I think there's already been something declaring that was untrue). He had him hurt but couldn't polish him off and that kind of fighting won't clench him the official title.

[Big_Deuce]

...also if you look at who Jameel McCline has KO'd they don't have the best chins in the division

Marcus Rhode - KO'd 27 times in 32 losses

Dan Ward - KO'd 14 times in 19 losses

Andy Sample - KO'd 16 times in 16 losses

Steve Panell - KO'd 12 times in 12 losses

Wayne Llewelyn - KO'd 5 times in 6 losses

....you get the picture, and so being able to HURT and KNOCKDOWN Sam Peter is a faaaaaaar bigger deal than Sam Peter knocking Wladimir down or Corrie Sanders stopping Wlad.....it's something if I was a Sam Peter fan I would be very worried about.....here's a guy who knows how to punch but isn't blessed with the boxing skill of a Chris Byrd or Wladimir Klitschko and now his chin has been compromised by a feather fisted fighter....so this means without a solid defense (something that could take years for him to master or even be comfortable with) he just cannot fight and beat the top teir fighters in the division.

Or is it a bigger deal that Wlad could not hurt a one dimensional fighter like Peter? Don't get me wrong I too believe Wlad (and Vitali) are on another level than Peter skill wise....The one thing I got from this last fight with JM is that Sam Peter has taken far too many heavy punches and now looks more like David Izon than the fearsome beast that fought Wlad...

Not only did wlad hurt peter, but he hurt him bad towards the end of the fight, after 3 rabbit punch knockdowns.
The one thing i think wlad is guilty of is buying into the Sam Peter Hype, he boxed defensively, and looked for his spots. If there was a rematch, i think wlad would be alittle more aggressive.

[Big_Deuce]

...also if you look at who Jameel McCline has KO'd they don't have the best chins in the division

Marcus Rhode - KO'd 27 times in 32 losses

Dan Ward - KO'd 14 times in 19 losses

Andy Sample - KO'd 16 times in 16 losses

Steve Panell - KO'd 12 times in 12 losses

Wayne Llewelyn - KO'd 5 times in 6 losses

....you get the picture, and so being able to HURT and KNOCKDOWN Sam Peter is a faaaaaaar bigger deal than Sam Peter knocking Wladimir down or Corrie Sanders stopping Wlad.....it's something if I was a Sam Peter fan I would be very worried about.....here's a guy who knows how to punch but isn't blessed with the boxing skill of a Chris Byrd or Wladimir Klitschko and now his chin has been compromised by a feather fisted fighter....so this means without a solid defense (something that could take years for him to master or even be comfortable with) he just cannot fight and beat the top teir fighters in the division.

Or is it a bigger deal that Wlad could not hurt a one dimensional fighter like Peter? Don't get me wrong I too believe Wlad (and Vitali) are on another level than Peter skill wise....The one thing I got from this last fight with JM is that Sam Peter has taken far too many heavy punches and now looks more like David Izon than the fearsome beast that fought Wlad...

Or is it a bigger deal Wlad stopped JM and SP couldnt even slow JM down.

you should know better than that, how dare you make sense!

[Wayne]

...also if you look at who Jameel McCline has KO'd they don't have the best chins in the division

Marcus Rhode - KO'd 27 times in 32 losses

Dan Ward - KO'd 14 times in 19 losses

Andy Sample - KO'd 16 times in 16 losses

Steve Panell - KO'd 12 times in 12 losses

Wayne Llewelyn - KO'd 5 times in 6 losses

....you get the picture, and so being able to HURT and KNOCKDOWN Sam Peter is a faaaaaaar bigger deal than Sam Peter knocking Wladimir down or Corrie Sanders stopping Wlad.....it's something if I was a Sam Peter fan I would be very worried about.....here's a guy who knows how to punch but isn't blessed with the boxing skill of a Chris Byrd or Wladimir Klitschko and now his chin has been compromised by a feather fisted fighter....so this means without a solid defense (something that could take years for him to master or even be comfortable with) he just cannot fight and beat the top teir fighters in the division.

Or is it a bigger deal that Wlad could not hurt a one dimensional fighter like Peter? Don't get me wrong I too believe Wlad (and Vitali) are on another level than Peter skill wise....The one thing I got from this last fight with JM is that Sam Peter has taken far too many heavy punches and now looks more like David Izon than the fearsome beast that fought Wlad...

Not only did wlad hurt peter, but he hurt him bad towards the end of the fight, after 3 rabbit punch knockdowns.
The one thing i think wlad is guilty of is buying into the Sam Peter Hype, he boxed defensively, and looked for his spots. If there was a rematch, i think wlad would be alittle more aggressive.

I think Klitschko was wise to buy into the Sam Peter hype. Peter can take a punch and deliver one back. If Wlad hung his chin out there to try to make something happen Peter just might pop him in it and you know that's the off-switch to his legs. Don't discount Peter's power based on his performance against a quite possibly 'roided up fighter.