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    Default Re: Pacquiao sees Valero as only worthy opponent

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    we'll see EG, we'll see. imo jmm is the more difficult fight and could be a long night for both. as for valero, i don't feel he can hang with manny. his chance is to finish off the pac early which really wouldn't result in extensive damage same as with all valero's previous abbreviated fights. long hard fights are more damaging.
    JMM is DEFINITELY the more difficult fight. I didn't say anything to the contrary! Believe me,when he feels Valero's power,he'll never have felt anything like it. And if he doesn't finish Manny early,Valero will get KTFO. For those early 4-5 rounds,he can knock Manny out. He is a freak,seldom does a fighter possess such power.
    manny's punches are faster while valero throws wider punches. if manny connects early and frequently, valero wouldn't be able or would be wary to throw his power punches.
    Sure Valero does but Manny isn't a defensive genius. Valero will land,I have no doubt about that and you're forgetting the new "technical" Manny. And Manny maybe faster but no matter what anyone says or does,he will always have 1 achilles heel:he cannot fight getting backed up.

    I'd pick Manny to win for sure but I guarantee that Valero would either drop him or hurt him early.

    Seldom do I have such belief in someone's power, but this guy's power is awesome. I've never seen a sparring session stopped because of a head punch! I'd never ever seen Morales seriously hurt until V nom rocked him to his boots in sparring.
    same thing goes for valero. cannot fight backing up and if manny catches him first he could be in real trouble. with regards to the sparring, morales was testing his defences against valero. i've seen valero spar with suico, although he was outboxing the pinoy wasn't really hurting him that much. and sparring is way different from an official fight, you just can't base it on that.
    Valero has outboxed the Santa Cruz brothers,and Morales in sparring using his footwork. And sparring or not,if you rock someone,hurt them,you have power. That's nothing to do with sparring.

    I'm a huge Morales fan and he may have been testing his defence but he was hurt.
    anybody could get hurt if you let them hit you especially from a powerful puncher like valero. but in an official fight i'd still go for morales or barrera against your v-nom. you might have been forgetting the mosquera fight. how would you rate mosquera against erik or marco? they aren't even in the same league and yet mosquera gave valero fits and even managed to put him down.

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    I am Valero fan but he would be well out of his depth he is slow much too slow for Pacquiao but you never know one good shot from Valero could change the fight a round actually scrap what i said earlier im actually looking forward to this i want to see Marquez rematch more but if that can't happen then i wouldn't mind seeing this fight just for the excitement.

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    we'll see EG, we'll see. imo jmm is the more difficult fight and could be a long night for both. as for valero, i don't feel he can hang with manny. his chance is to finish off the pac early which really wouldn't result in extensive damage same as with all valero's previous abbreviated fights. long hard fights are more damaging.
    JMM is DEFINITELY the more difficult fight. I didn't say anything to the contrary! Believe me,when he feels Valero's power,he'll never have felt anything like it. And if he doesn't finish Manny early,Valero will get KTFO. For those early 4-5 rounds,he can knock Manny out. He is a freak,seldom does a fighter possess such power.
    manny's punches are faster while valero throws wider punches. if manny connects early and frequently, valero wouldn't be able or would be wary to throw his power punches.
    Sure Valero does but Manny isn't a defensive genius. Valero will land,I have no doubt about that and you're forgetting the new "technical" Manny. And Manny maybe faster but no matter what anyone says or does,he will always have 1 achilles heel:he cannot fight getting backed up.

    I'd pick Manny to win for sure but I guarantee that Valero would either drop him or hurt him early.

    Seldom do I have such belief in someone's power, but this guy's power is awesome. I've never seen a sparring session stopped because of a head punch! I'd never ever seen Morales seriously hurt until V nom rocked him to his boots in sparring.
    same thing goes for valero. cannot fight backing up and if manny catches him first he could be in real trouble. with regards to the sparring, morales was testing his defences against valero. i've seen valero spar with suico, although he was outboxing the pinoy wasn't really hurting him that much. and sparring is way different from an official fight, you just can't base it on that.
    Valero has outboxed the Santa Cruz brothers,and Morales in sparring using his footwork. And sparring or not,if you rock someone,hurt them,you have power. That's nothing to do with sparring.

    I'm a huge Morales fan and he may have been testing his defence but he was hurt.
    anybody could get hurt if you let them hit you especially from a powerful puncher like valero. but in an official fight i'd still go for morales or barrera against your v-nom. you might have been forgetting the mosquera fight. how would you rate mosquera against erik or marco? they aren't even in the same league and yet mosquera gave valero fits and even managed to put him down.
    Mosquera is a B level fighter. Morales and MAB would beat him but he'd give both a good fight. And I didn't say MAB and MAB wouldn't beat him,did I?? In the Mosquera fight,Valero fought a heavy handed fighter,in his backyard and knocked him out. I think you're forgetting Valero is still inexperienced. He still has time to learn,grow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KKisser
    Remarking on Marquez's purse demand, Pacquiao said: “Mahirap kalaban si Marquez kasi humihingi ng malaking premyo. Gusto niya mas malaki pa ang premyo niya sa akin. Di kami magkasundo. Pero kung papayag sa negotiation, walang problema na matuloy ang laban."
    (Marquez is always asking for a big purse. He even wants his cut to be bigger than mine. We cannot reach an agreement but if he is willing to negotiate there's no problem and the fight will push through.)

    “Sinabi ko nahirapan ako sa timbang, pero parang pabiro lang namin sa grupo," he said. "Pagtimbang ko, naka-shorts pa ako. Sakto lang, 130 lbs. Tinakot ko lang kasama ko na overweight ako."
    (I said I was having a hard time making weight but I was just playing around with my group. When I went up the scale I was even in my shorts, weighing exactly 130lbs. I was just scaring them that I was overweight.)

    "Naisip ko na pagkatapos ng fight ko kay Barrera, sabi ko aakyat na ako siguro ako 135 pounds," he said. "Tapos may nakapagsabi: 'Sino ba tatalo kay Manny Pacquiao?' Ang sabi: 'Tanging si Valero.' Parang sabi ko: 'O sige, bababa muna ako ng 130 pounds. Mag-stay muna ako. Hintayin ko na magkatagpo kami para mapatunayan ko kung kaya ko siya talunin."
    (I was thinking that after the fight with Barrera I would go up to 135 lbs. Someone asked who can beat Manny Pacquiao, and they said only Valero. Then I said, ok I'll stay at 130 lbs to prove that I can beat him.)

    "Di pa siguro puwede mag-retire," he said. "Sa tuwing may fight ako, nagkakataon na nagkakagulo ang ating kababayan. Pagkatapos ng fight ko, nagkakaisa ang sambayanang Filipino. Di pa tamang panahon na magretiro sa boxing. Di pa naman ako 34, 33 o 32 – 28 years old lang. Kung titingnan mo, 22 years old nga eh."
    (I cannot retire yet, everytime I have a fight the country is in turmoil. After I fight the Filipinos all become united. It's not yet time to retire. I'm not yet 34, 33, or 32. I'm only 28 years old. If you'll look at me you'd think I'm only 22 years old)

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    Thank you and cc Kkisser for translating it for us.

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    by the way, this is becoming more exciting than before. i'd like to see Pacquaio fight Valero to test Valero's daunted power. If Pacquaio wins over Valero then PAcquaio's power punching will never be questioned again. If Valero knocks out Pacquaio, then it might just give PAcquaio something to aspire for aside from doing movies.

    Whew. we are in the Golden Age of Boxing........

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    we'll see EG, we'll see. imo jmm is the more difficult fight and could be a long night for both. as for valero, i don't feel he can hang with manny. his chance is to finish off the pac early which really wouldn't result in extensive damage same as with all valero's previous abbreviated fights. long hard fights are more damaging.
    JMM is DEFINITELY the more difficult fight. I didn't say anything to the contrary! Believe me,when he feels Valero's power,he'll never have felt anything like it. And if he doesn't finish Manny early,Valero will get KTFO. For those early 4-5 rounds,he can knock Manny out. He is a freak,seldom does a fighter possess such power.
    manny's punches are faster while valero throws wider punches. if manny connects early and frequently, valero wouldn't be able or would be wary to throw his power punches.
    Sure Valero does but Manny isn't a defensive genius. Valero will land,I have no doubt about that and you're forgetting the new "technical" Manny. And Manny maybe faster but no matter what anyone says or does,he will always have 1 achilles heel:he cannot fight getting backed up.

    I'd pick Manny to win for sure but I guarantee that Valero would either drop him or hurt him early.

    Seldom do I have such belief in someone's power, but this guy's power is awesome. I've never seen a sparring session stopped because of a head punch! I'd never ever seen Morales seriously hurt until V nom rocked him to his boots in sparring.
    same thing goes for valero. cannot fight backing up and if manny catches him first he could be in real trouble. with regards to the sparring, morales was testing his defences against valero. i've seen valero spar with suico, although he was outboxing the pinoy wasn't really hurting him that much. and sparring is way different from an official fight, you just can't base it on that.
    Valero has outboxed the Santa Cruz brothers,and Morales in sparring using his footwork. And sparring or not,if you rock someone,hurt them,you have power. That's nothing to do with sparring.

    I'm a huge Morales fan and he may have been testing his defence but he was hurt.
    anybody could get hurt if you let them hit you especially from a powerful puncher like valero. but in an official fight i'd still go for morales or barrera against your v-nom. you might have been forgetting the mosquera fight. how would you rate mosquera against erik or marco? they aren't even in the same league and yet mosquera gave valero fits and even managed to put him down.
    Mosquera is a B level fighter. Morales and MAB would beat him but he'd give both a good fight. And I didn't say MAB and MAB wouldn't beat him,did I?? In the Mosquera fight,Valero fought a heavy handed fighter,in his backyard and knocked him out. I think you're forgetting Valero is still inexperienced. He still has time to learn,grow.
    so what makes you think he's a lot more experienced now? who has he fought since mosquera?

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    Default Re: Pacquiao sees Valero as only worthy opponent

    It's funny, whilst I agree that the Marquez fight is the one that needs to be made I have to say that of the four potential fights out there, Marquez, Valero, David Diaz and I'll add Juan Guzman the Marquez fight is the one I'd like to see the least.

    Don't get me wrong it's a must watch but I think stylistically the other matchups make for better fights.

    Anyone who wouldn't want to see him fight Valero.........that I just don't get

    To say this fight would produce fireworks would be an understatement, it could well produce a nuclear explosion worthy of Armageddon!

    That's Hagler Hearns at 130 lbs, trust me if/when that fight happens I'll have a box of kleenex next to me and some screen wipes to mop up my mess afterwards

    I really hope we see that fight in the future.

    Onto the others, I'd actually really enjoy a fight with him and David Diaz. Sure Diaz is no great champion and maybe he didn't deserve to win against Morales but he's still a come forward slugger who never stops punching and again we know we'd get an action packed fight. Plus Diaz holds a belt and it's been a while since Pacquiao has won one and this would be a good pickup, although I readily admit he still has unfinished business at 130 lbs.

    Now Guzman is one of my favourite fighters to watch hence why I'd love to see these two fight, again a great style matchup and I think a pick'em fight. This could probably take place at either 130 or 135 as Guzman like Pacquiao has no problem moving up the weights.

    Now finally we come to Marquez. Yes I know this is the most important and yes I know this is the fight that needs to happen but honestly I feel if this fight takes place Marquez already mentally has the beating of Pacquiao.

    I see him controlling and restraining him for most of the fight and winning a relatively comfortable decision, a good fight no doubt, much like Pacquaio Morales 1 but not the potential blood bath that a Valero fight brings and not a potential 12 round sluggers brawl that we would see with Diaz and Guzman.

    Furthermore if Pacquaio does lose to Marquez then what happens then? Maybe the other big fights would go to Marquez and not Pacquiao, I'm speculating here of course.

    My ideal scenario would be Pacquiao fighting Marquez first, winning and setting up a fight with Valero before moving up........

    But if he loses to Marquez it may well derail his career as he already has more than enough other career opportunities to choose from.

    The Marquez fight makes me fear for Pacquiao's fight future in all honesty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KKisser
    Pacquiao sees Valero as only worthy opponent

    Manny Pacquiao wants to face next as his next opponent World Boxing Association (WBA) featherweight champion Edwin Valero, a Venezuelan knockout artist. And he is even willing to stay as a super featherweight, before going into the lightweight division, just to do that.

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    Valero worthy
    Pac must be smoking....
    Valeros ONLY prominent opponent is Mosquera.
    What does Pac mean by "Worthy", worthy of Pac kicking his ass easily?
    If Pac want's to move up in weight and feels that Valeros the worthy opponent then he might as well just move up in weight and quit while hes ahead
    IMO Humberto Soto is more worthy of an opponent. But you also gotta look at the fact that $Valero$ makes more sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KKisser
    Pacquiao sees Valero as only worthy opponent

    Manny Pacquiao wants to face next as his next opponent World Boxing Association (WBA) featherweight champion Edwin Valero, a Venezuelan knockout artist. And he is even willing to stay as a super featherweight, before going into the lightweight division, just to do that.

    read more...

    http://www.gmanews.tv/story/64089/Pa...o-can-beat-him
    Valero worthy
    Pac must be smoking....
    Valeros ONLY prominent opponent is Mosquera.
    What does Pac mean by "Worthy", worthy of Pac kicking his ass easily?
    If Pac want's to move up in weight and feels that Valeros the worthy opponent then he might as well just move up in weight and quit while hes ahead
    IMO Humberto Soto is more worthy of an opponent. But you also gotta look at the fact that $Valero$ makes more sense.
    actually the notion came from people around pac when they were discussing who among fighters at 130lbs can beat him. soto, guzman, marquez ARE worthier opponents.

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    Default Re: Pacquiao sees Valero as only worthy opponent

    Quote Originally Posted by KKisser
    Quote Originally Posted by CutMeMick
    Quote Originally Posted by KKisser
    Pacquiao sees Valero as only worthy opponent

    Manny Pacquiao wants to face next as his next opponent World Boxing Association (WBA) featherweight champion Edwin Valero, a Venezuelan knockout artist. And he is even willing to stay as a super featherweight, before going into the lightweight division, just to do that.

    read more...

    http://www.gmanews.tv/story/64089/Pa...o-can-beat-him
    Valero worthy
    Pac must be smoking....
    Valeros ONLY prominent opponent is Mosquera.
    What does Pac mean by "Worthy", worthy of Pac kicking his ass easily?
    If Pac want's to move up in weight and feels that Valeros the worthy opponent then he might as well just move up in weight and quit while hes ahead
    IMO Humberto Soto is more worthy of an opponent. But you also gotta look at the fact that $Valero$ makes more sense.
    actually the notion came from people around pac when they were discussing who among fighters at 130lbs can beat him. soto, guzman, marquez ARE worthier opponents.
    Right JMM is the worthiest. I mentioned Soto in the sense that even Soto is worthier then Valero.

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    Default Re: Pacquiao sees Valero as only worthy opponent

    Pacquaio only responded to the comment of Valero. I don't care who Pacquaio will meet next.My boy will not evade anyone. However, I'd be most happy if Pacquaio meets David Diaz next to avenge Erik Morales from the rob out.

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