whats up with baby bull calling out pac?

[Pavlik]

CC Mick and Wack for making excellent points throughtout(CC in 24 Mick)

I don't understand this dislike people are having with Pac moving up in weight and fighting guys in the divisions.

I doesn't make sense, you guys are saying that Pac would be fighting guys who are naturally bigger then him, well duh! that's why it's called moving up in weight.

Duran started off as a Bantamweight and fought as a Lightweight, Ligh Welterweight, Welterweight, Ligh Middleweight, Middleweight and so on.
I mean fighters move thru weight classes and fight it's what they do.

If Pac want's to be P4P #1 and he want's to cement his legacy even more then why not move up in yet another weight class and give it a go.
You guys should be supporting Pac. No one at Lightweight IMO even has a slight chance at beating Pac not Juan, not David nore Casamayor.
If anything all the big Pac fans should hope and pray that the Diazs and Casa take the bait and fight Pac. I think Pac beats all of them.
Possibly Casa giving him the closest fight but even then I think Pac wins it comfortably.

Totally agree with this post. I'd favour Manny over Juan as long as he carries his power,although I think the Casamayor fight is close(depending on how he looks v Santa Cruz_). If I were Manny,I'd fight JMM,maybe 1 other fight unless it's too hard to make weight then fight Diaz/Casamayor. I don't think there's any reason to fight David Diaz.

When I saw Juan Diaz fight for the first time tonight, it freaked me out.

[brucelee]

CC Mick and Wack for making excellent points throughtout(CC in 24 Mick)

I don't understand this dislike people are having with Pac moving up in weight and fighting guys in the divisions.

I doesn't make sense, you guys are saying that Pac would be fighting guys who are naturally bigger then him, well duh! that's why it's called moving up in weight.

Duran started off as a Bantamweight and fought as a Lightweight, Ligh Welterweight, Welterweight, Ligh Middleweight, Middleweight and so on.
I mean fighters move thru weight classes and fight it's what they do.

If Pac want's to be P4P #1 and he want's to cement his legacy even more then why not move up in yet another weight class and give it a go.
You guys should be supporting Pac. No one at Lightweight IMO even has a slight chance at beating Pac not Juan, not David nore Casamayor.
If anything all the big Pac fans should hope and pray that the Diazs and Casa take the bait and fight Pac. I think Pac beats all of them.
Possibly Casa giving him the closest fight but even then I think Pac wins it comfortably.

Totally agree with this post. I'd favour Manny over Juan as long as he carries his power,although I think the Casamayor fight is close(depending on how he looks v Santa Cruz_). If I were Manny,I'd fight JMM,maybe 1 other fight unless it's too hard to make weight then fight Diaz/Casamayor. I don't think there's any reason to fight David Diaz.

Manny would be better off fighting David first. David seems to be the weakest link in the Lightweight. PAcquaio needs to test the waters first. Fighting David would be good for pacquaio coz he needs a title right now to secure his legacy. If he wins over David then he can fight Juan and that would be more exciting. Champion vs champion. That's what you call business strategy.

[killersheep]

CC Mick and Wack for making excellent points throughtout(CC in 24 Mick)

I don't understand this dislike people are having with Pac moving up in weight and fighting guys in the divisions.

I doesn't make sense, you guys are saying that Pac would be fighting guys who are naturally bigger then him, well duh! that's why it's called moving up in weight.

Duran started off as a Bantamweight and fought as a Lightweight, Ligh Welterweight, Welterweight, Ligh Middleweight, Middleweight and so on.
I mean fighters move thru weight classes and fight it's what they do.

If Pac want's to be P4P #1 and he want's to cement his legacy even more then why not move up in yet another weight class and give it a go.
You guys should be supporting Pac. No one at Lightweight IMO even has a slight chance at beating Pac not Juan, not David nore Casamayor.
If anything all the big Pac fans should hope and pray that the Diazs and Casa take the bait and fight Pac. I think Pac beats all of them.
Possibly Casa giving him the closest fight but even then I think Pac wins it comfortably.

Totally agree with this post. I'd favour Manny over Juan as long as he carries his power,although I think the Casamayor fight is close(depending on how he looks v Santa Cruz_). If I were Manny,I'd fight JMM,maybe 1 other fight unless it's too hard to make weight then fight Diaz/Casamayor. I don't think there's any reason to fight David Diaz.

Manny would be better off fighting David first. David seems to be the weakest link in the Lightweight. PAcquaio needs to test the waters first. Fighting David would be good for pacquaio coz he needs a title right now to secure his legacy. If he wins over David then he can fight Juan and that would be more exciting. Champion vs champion. That's what you call business strategy.

He would get paid a lot more for Juan than David right now. The Baby Bull is a hot commodity, as far as the business side goes he'd prolly get paid more for fight Casamayor and the Juan if anything.

[El Gamo]

CC Mick and Wack for making excellent points throughtout(CC in 24 Mick)

I don't understand this dislike people are having with Pac moving up in weight and fighting guys in the divisions.

I doesn't make sense, you guys are saying that Pac would be fighting guys who are naturally bigger then him, well duh! that's why it's called moving up in weight.

Duran started off as a Bantamweight and fought as a Lightweight, Ligh Welterweight, Welterweight, Ligh Middleweight, Middleweight and so on.
I mean fighters move thru weight classes and fight it's what they do.

If Pac want's to be P4P #1 and he want's to cement his legacy even more then why not move up in yet another weight class and give it a go.
You guys should be supporting Pac. No one at Lightweight IMO even has a slight chance at beating Pac not Juan, not David nore Casamayor.
If anything all the big Pac fans should hope and pray that the Diazs and Casa take the bait and fight Pac. I think Pac beats all of them.
Possibly Casa giving him the closest fight but even then I think Pac wins it comfortably.

Totally agree with this post. I'd favour Manny over Juan as long as he carries his power,although I think the Casamayor fight is close(depending on how he looks v Santa Cruz_). If I were Manny,I'd fight JMM,maybe 1 other fight unless it's too hard to make weight then fight Diaz/Casamayor. I don't think there's any reason to fight David Diaz.

Manny would be better off fighting David first. David seems to be the weakest link in the Lightweight. PAcquaio needs to test the waters first. Fighting David would be good for pacquaio coz he needs a title right now to secure his legacy. If he wins over David then he can fight Juan and that would be more exciting. Champion vs champion. That's what you call business strategy.

Manny doesn't have a title at 130 though? And I really don't think a win over David Diaz does anything to be honest.

[Wacko3205]

CC Mick and Wack for making excellent points throughtout(CC in 24 Mick)

I don't understand this dislike people are having with Pac moving up in weight and fighting guys in the divisions.

I doesn't make sense, you guys are saying that Pac would be fighting guys who are naturally bigger then him, well duh! that's why it's called moving up in weight.

Duran started off as a Bantamweight and fought as a Lightweight, Ligh Welterweight, Welterweight, Ligh Middleweight, Middleweight and so on.
I mean fighters move thru weight classes and fight it's what they do.

If Pac want's to be P4P #1 and he want's to cement his legacy even more then why not move up in yet another weight class and give it a go.
You guys should be supporting Pac. No one at Lightweight IMO even has a slight chance at beating Pac not Juan, not David nore Casamayor.
If anything all the big Pac fans should hope and pray that the Diazs and Casa take the bait and fight Pac. I think Pac beats all of them.
Possibly Casa giving him the closest fight but even then I think Pac wins it comfortably.

Totally agree with this post. I'd favour Manny over Juan as long as he carries his power,although I think the Casamayor fight is close(depending on how he looks v Santa Cruz_). If I were Manny,I'd fight JMM,maybe 1 other fight unless it's too hard to make weight then fight Diaz/Casamayor. I don't think there's any reason to fight David Diaz.

back "Le Gamo"

It kills me that everyone on this site rates Casamayor so highly. I never have...he's just a bit too dirty for me likings for one thing...but I won't get into all that.

Honestly...I think Pac's fun to watch & great for boxing & all that & blah, blah, blah...but I just can't get into him as much as his "devoted fans" do.

He's beatable...that's been proven...but then again...so is everyone else.

I don't really understand how people think that he's so indestructable.

That being said...I don't know if Juan Diaz is the man to beat him or not...but if a boxer that has a good defense, sticks to his guns & pushes Pac with combos, & can box on the backfoot...it befuddles Pac. It's been done a few times. I would rate Juan's chances pretty high because he can do all of that & he throws a shitload of punches. Not so sure that he's strong enough to stop Pac...but I think he could win a decision based on his output alone.

Like I said...the only fight I really care about seeing Pac in is against Juan Manuel Marquez.

That's it for me. I need answers & results...win, lose, or draw...from both men.

[Julius Rain]

I don't think pac will fight david, it looks like juan will be getting his wish don king with bob again

[brucelee]

Pacquaio is beatable but you can only beat him if you go toe to toe with him. That makes it exciting. Morales may have won against pacquaio before using some skills but that strategy won't work anymore against pacman. I believe that was the plan of Barrera. To fight Pacquaio outside. That's why he decided to run around during the last 2-3 rounds. Barrera can't simply defeat a Pacquaio who has defense and who is so fast. Technical skills won't win against Pacquaio anymore.

Pacquaio really is a fast learner. Second reason why he is so exciting. You don't know what he will bring to the table.

[El Gamo]

CC Mick and Wack for making excellent points throughtout(CC in 24 Mick)

I don't understand this dislike people are having with Pac moving up in weight and fighting guys in the divisions.

I doesn't make sense, you guys are saying that Pac would be fighting guys who are naturally bigger then him, well duh! that's why it's called moving up in weight.

Duran started off as a Bantamweight and fought as a Lightweight, Ligh Welterweight, Welterweight, Ligh Middleweight, Middleweight and so on.
I mean fighters move thru weight classes and fight it's what they do.

If Pac want's to be P4P #1 and he want's to cement his legacy even more then why not move up in yet another weight class and give it a go.
You guys should be supporting Pac. No one at Lightweight IMO even has a slight chance at beating Pac not Juan, not David nore Casamayor.
If anything all the big Pac fans should hope and pray that the Diazs and Casa take the bait and fight Pac. I think Pac beats all of them.
Possibly Casa giving him the closest fight but even then I think Pac wins it comfortably.

Totally agree with this post. I'd favour Manny over Juan as long as he carries his power,although I think the Casamayor fight is close(depending on how he looks v Santa Cruz_). If I were Manny,I'd fight JMM,maybe 1 other fight unless it's too hard to make weight then fight Diaz/Casamayor. I don't think there's any reason to fight David Diaz.

back "Le Gamo"

It kills me that everyone on this site rates Casamayor so highly. I never have...he's just a bit too dirty for me likings for one thing...but I won't get into all that.

Honestly...I think Pac's fun to watch & great for boxing & all that & blah, blah, blah...but I just can't get into him as much as his "devoted fans" do.

He's beatable...that's been proven...but then again...so is everyone else.

I don't really understand how people think that he's so indestructable.

That being said...I don't know if Juan Diaz is the man to beat him or not...but if a boxer that has a good defense, sticks to his guns & pushes Pac with combos, & can box on the backfoot...it befuddles Pac. It's been done a few times. I would rate Juan's chances pretty high because he can do all of that & he throws a shitload of punches. Not so sure that he's strong enough to stop Pac...but I think he could win a decision based on his output alone.

Like I said...the only fight I really care about seeing Pac in is against Juan Manuel Marquez.

That's it for me. I need answers & results...win, lose, or draw...from both men.

Ditto my man,the JMM fight is the 1 I want the most,the 1 that would tell us the most. Then a Juan fight. I've always thought Joel Casamayor was superbly skilled but I was always more of a Corrales fan. Cas has definitely been on the slide though,so I'm not sure,we'll have to see how he looks.

"That being said...I don't know if Juan Diaz is the man to beat him or not...but if a boxer that has a good defense, sticks to his guns & pushes Pac with combos, & can box on the backfoot...it befuddles Pac. It's been done a few times. I would rate Juan's chances pretty high because he can do all of that & he throws a shitload of punches. Not so sure that he's strong enough to stop Pac...but I think he could win a decision based on his output alone."

Totally agree with this. I think Juan does all the things to beat Pac but does he have the power? Will the 5 pounds make a difference? I'm not so sure.

Pacquaio is beatable but you can only beat him if you go toe to toe with him. That makes it exciting. Morales may have won against pacquaio before using some skills but that strategy won't work anymore against pacman. I believe that was the plan of Barrera. To fight Pacquaio outside. That's why he decided to run around during the last 2-3 rounds. Barrera can't simply defeat a Pacquaio who has defense and who is so fast. Technical skills won't win against Pacquaio anymore.

Pacquaio really is a fast learner. Second reason why he is so exciting. You don't know what he will bring to the table.

Not sure where you got that from bro but I think a good slick boxer/counter puncher would give Manny alot of trouble. Going toe to toe isn't the only way to beat him..

[Wacko3205]

When I saw Juan Diaz fight for the first time tonight, it freaked me out.

Yep. He is the shit.

I was'nt expecting Julio to get shut out like that...FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN-TASTIC!!!

[brucelee]

Gamo, you know am an avid fan of Pacquaio. I feel it. That's why I am excited that pacquaio will go up in weight coz the only opponents who can win against Pacquaio are the ones who has the power to knock him out. Believe me, it's only valero who can win against Pacquaio in the superfeather. But Valero is still lacking in skills so he won't be prepared yet to fight Pac. Pacquaio needs a fighter who has the necessary skills and the POWER to knock him out. We can only find this necessary 'ingredients' in the lightweight division.

[El Gamo]

Gamo, you know am an avid fan of Pacquaio. I feel it. That's why I am excited that pacquaio will go up in weight coz the only opponents who can win against Pacquaio are the ones who has the power to knock him out. Believe me, it's only valero who can win against Pacquaio in the superfeather. But Valero is still lacking in skills so he won't be prepared yet to fight Pac. Pacquaio needs a fighter who has the necessary skills and the POWER to knock him out. We can only find this necessary 'ingredients' in the lightweight division.

Fair enough man but I still disagree,Morales didn't ko him,neither did JMM. They outboxed him and when they had to,outfought him. I can see what you mean though,but I dont understand your last sentence. JMM/Diaz/winner of Soto v Guzman all have a chance.

[brucelee]

Pacquaio fighting David is the best strategy there is. Let's make this happen. I tell you guys you won't regret it.

It will be David, then JMM, then Juan or Casa.Although, Katsidis may be favored over Juan or Casa by Arum.

[brucelee]

Ohh sorry. I forgot Guzman and Soto. Anyway, Soto will more or less be like Solis. Guzman and Valero could upset Pacquaio but that should be after the JMM fight.

[El Gamo]

Ohh sorry. I forgot Guzman and Soto. Anyway, Soto will more or less be like Solis. Guzman and Valero could upset Pacquaio but that should be after the JMM fight.

I take it you have not seen La Zorrita fight because he is NOTHING like SOlis....

[brucelee]

Gamo, you know am an avid fan of Pacquaio. I feel it. That's why I am excited that pacquaio will go up in weight coz the only opponents who can win against Pacquaio are the ones who has the power to knock him out. Believe me, it's only valero who can win against Pacquaio in the superfeather. But Valero is still lacking in skills so he won't be prepared yet to fight Pac. Pacquaio needs a fighter who has the necessary skills and the POWER to knock him out. We can only find this necessary 'ingredients' in the lightweight division.

Fair enough man but I still disagree,Morales didn't ko him,neither did JMM. They outboxed him and when they had to,outfought him. I can see what you mean though,but I dont understand your last sentence. JMM/Diaz/winner of Soto v Guzman all have a chance.

The ingredients for a victory against pacquaio is skills and POWER. Not the power JMM possesses. It's lacking.