He started as a Junior Welterweight. He never fought at Welterweight. And I don't think he should. As a Welterweight, I think he gets smashed.Originally Posted by Pavlik
He started as a Junior Welterweight. He never fought at Welterweight. And I don't think he should. As a Welterweight, I think he gets smashed.Originally Posted by Pavlik
That's silly bro. He only weighed 142 v Julio Diaz AFTER being rehydrated. Manny weighed 144,he's closer to WW!Originally Posted by Pavlik
If you read what I said again, you'll see I said "Pac does the same". He hits hard...but I think Juan would hit harder at the weight. I see the fight being alot like Morales-Pac I. Pac would give it his all but come up short.Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
Ok My bad, junior welter but fact remains he's(juan) naturally bigger frame wise. Heck some folks could weigh heavier than they look because of increased lean mass like PAC but that doesnt change the fact that their bone structure are really small. I could weigh about 180 lbs and do 18 reps full chin ups and run pretty good and look solid but that doesnt mean I can fight a natural 180 pounder.Originally Posted by El Gamo
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How would Juan hit harder then Manny he hits like a feather weight Juan one of the weakest hitters i have ever seen in lightweight his power is like a featherweight power at best and if he went up he would get crushed as VD pointed out he is now the weakest fighter i have ever seen it i used to think it was Paulie but no Juan was just as weak so i do not think strengh would be a facter i think Pac is as stronger then Juan even though he is the lighter weight just some thoughts
Not be be rude it be a tough fight but it would not because Juan power because he has none in my veiw i will wait to see if i am wrong
So many factors to consider in Morales vs Pac 1. 1st, Pac had a bad cut during that fight. Joe Cortez called it legal cut when in fact there was a headbutt. I've watched again the fight and Pacquaio was truly distracted with only one eye in the fight (blood was all over). 2nd, pac was forced to use the winning gloves instead of his cleto reyes gloves. That affected his effectiveness.I suggest, you watch the 2nd fight when everything was fair. That's the Pac that Diaz will be facing. If you don't have the fight, i can post it for you.Originally Posted by bzkfn
Ikariam
Juan calling out Manny should get the same harsh criticism that Jermain got for calling out Kaseem and Cory. You don't call out smaller fighters that have a good chance of slowing down when they come up to your weight. At least Oscar went down to see Floyd and Shane went down to see Miguel. The most sensible fight right now for Juan is either David or Joel. The most sensible fight right now for Manny is Joan or Edwin. Those questions should be answered for those two fighters before their names get put in the same question.
"Even Roy Jones was forced to 'Lean Back'"
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Well the difference is Pacman is a pound for pound top ten and a different level then Ouma and Spinks
There;s a 5 pound difference and Manny outweighed Juan in their last fights?! So what the the heck are you talking about?Originally Posted by MistaDibbs
Stop using excuses,it makes you sound petty. Morales boxed and beat Manny the first time,cut or no cut.The fight followed the same pattern before and after the cut.What is it with you Manny fans,1 fight it's the glove,then it's his socks,then it's cuts,I don't know if you know but this is a part of boxing,the hurt game.Manny is not the only fighter to have been cut in a fight.Originally Posted by brucelee
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And just as you are using all these excuses,I could just as easily use the "Morales was weight drained" for the second fight.
the 2nd manny-eric fight ?Originally Posted by brucelee
The first fight was so close Gamo that the cut really matters. I've watched it again and again. I would suggest that you also watch it again. Then watch the second fight (Pacman vs Morales 2) and you'll notice that I have a point regarding the cut.Am not making excuses coz PAcquaio had proven already that he's the best in the superfeatherweight. I was trying to make a point that a Pacquiao who is not distracted would win over Diaz.Originally Posted by El Gamo
Ikariam
Yes Tam. The 2nd fight between Pacman and Morales was so exciting. As a PAcquaio fan, that was the most exciting fight of Pacquaio.Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
Ikariam
I'm a Morales fan,I've seen that fight at least 8 times,if not more. And I didn't think the fight was that close. 116-112 for Erik,115-113 at best,but a convincing 115-113. Manny was fighting how he usually does,Erik was outboxing him,outjabbing him,outhustling him and countering him. Backing him up. That was a true,great boxing performance from Morales.Originally Posted by brucelee
I have seen the second fight more than enough,the cut has no relevance. The difference was Manny's bodywork. And as I've said,all fighters have to come through adversity(ie cuts). Tough luck if they don't.
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