This was the real deal between Calzaghe and Hopkins in 2002!

[cpcompany]

After watching Hopkins talking about Calzaghe and him being an Englishman I can only assume that Hopkins skipped geography lessons in school.

I cant see any other fight for Hopkins or Calzaghe, other than to face each other. Pavlik might be a good name for Calzaghe to fight but I would be suprised if Pavlik was willing to fight Calzaghe at this stage in his career.

[Deanrw]

After watching Hopkins talking about Calzaghe and him being an Englishman I can only assume that Hopkins skipped geography lessons in school.

I cant see any other fight for Hopkins or Calzaghe, other than to face each other. Pavlik might be a good name for Calzaghe to fight but I would be suprised if Pavlik was willing to fight Calzaghe at this stage in his career.

Pavlik is confident and he would fight Calzaghe in a heartbeat. Bob Arum and Warren might prevent it due to the fight being a bad investment in the money/risk category. I personally think Pavlik would own Calzaghe if he pumps his jab enough. Calzaghe is awkward and avoids looping punches, but Pavlik threads the needle with everything he throws, straight down the pipe.

Pavlik's Jab and how much he throws it, will determine how long he will remain viable. Just look at the right side of Miranda and Taylor's faces, at the end of their fights, to see how it could take the fight from anyone. Pay no mind to Pavlik's right hand, that is just the finishing touch, not what got him there.

My concern with Pavlik is that he tries to gun it too much with the right hand. His right hand is hard, but nothing incredible. If he concentrates on the jab, I won't bet against him, even with his lack of experience.

[Fenster]

So Calzaghe is a bitch thats scared to fight the best is he?? The only two fighters who he realistally could of fought in his time are Hopkins and Ottke and both ran a mile, Warren offered Ottke numberous chances to fight Joe in Germany for a career high earner, but most of these German fighters have there own market in Germany and can make plenty of cash without actully facing a challenge.


Bernard Hopkins

"A teleconference was set up in my office in New York for July 30trh, 2002, and on the call was myself, Don King who was in the room, Frank Warren and Bernard Hopkins' lawyer, Arnold Joseph. Along with Arnold was a woman named Linda Carter, who was there on behalf of Bernard. We asked Arnold if Bernard wanted to fight Joe Calzaghe and we asked him how much money would he want if he did. The response we got was $3million and the fight would have to take place in the United States. After a little scratching of the head, we said 'Okay, done.' Frank Warren agreed on the spot, DOn King agreed and we agreed so as far as we were concerned all parties were singing off the one hymm sheet. Arnold excused himself with Linda and I can only assume it was to call Bernard. Either that day or the next day, they came with a new demand: $6million, dobule the sum that had been agreed, the deal blew up.....he had then and still has no desire to fight Joe Calzaghe, that much is pretty clear.

Joe gets criticised sometimes for not having fought the big-name Americans, but in this case the fault has never rested with him."

- Jay Larkin, then Showtime TV Network's Senior Vice-President of Sports and Event Programming.

Then we have good old Sven!!! Now if anyone thinks Calzaghe ducked Ottke needs a slap, becasue Ottke was average Joe would of made him look silly.

Sven Ottke

"We made two career high offers to Ottke's camp to fight in Germany, even though we'd seen what had happened with (Robin) Reid and (Charles) Brewer. Both were refused without any negotiation. That told me all I needed to know." - Frank Warren

Hopkins is one of the most overrated boxers of all time. He had two 50-50 fights with JT, the boxer who lost to limited Pavlik. I would like to watch a Hopkins against Calzaghe or Kessler :-D

just about every great boxer in history has been overrated by someone, hopkins is no different.

Hopkins is a hell of a talent, very smart, uses that to win fights. i rate hopkins very high, but just a cut below the elites... talking abut hsi taylor fights are bullshit and just a waste of a post, he was way past his best, had no real hunger in him either.

Okay, let us say 2000. What would an outcome had been between Calzaghe and Hopkins?

I can not even believe this question is being asked..Bernard Hopkins may have wanted a certain amount but Hopkins would not have turned down 3 million to fight Calzaghe anyone who believes other wise in a complete ass.....Anyone who believes anything that Frank Warren or anyone he does business with should get their head examined....WHY TF is is EVERYONE REFUSED TO FIGHT CALZAGHE AND CALZAGHE WAS ALWAYS WILLING TO FACE THEM IN THE USA...BULLSHIT!!!!!!.......The 2000 or 2002 version of Hopkins would have beaten the SHIT out of Calzaghe.....Joe is a good fighter but not one of the guys that have been P4P have found a reason to not fight him like Warren always claims.....

If I hear one more time Roy Jones always found a way not to fight him ill PUKE!!!!...Calzaghe just became a P4P fighter after the Lacey win why should anyone Jones Hopkins ect have gone to Wales to fight him....They were the man to beat not Joe.....

Calzaghe has 0 power and I will repeat 0 power...anyman that can land a 1000 shots and his opponent still stands has nothing for guys like Hopkins and Jones to fear...Especially when they were on top of their game.....

Greatest Super Middleweight my ASS!!!! The greatest Supermiddleweight to ever put on Gloves was Roy Jones Jr...That was the closest thing to being unbeatable I have ever witnessed....and at 168 or even 175 up until the jump to HW he would have ruined Calzaghe!!!!...anyone who thinks different is either mentally retarted of Frank Warren......

Hopkins avoid Calzaghe PLEASE!!!!...compare resumes my friend...if that is not enough then its time to take up a new sport as a hobby

My man Daxx telling it like it is.

More like,

getting flustered and throwing a fit faced with the truth.

Truth hurts don't it

[DaxxKahn]

So Calzaghe is a bitch thats scared to fight the best is he?? The only two fighters who he realistally could of fought in his time are Hopkins and Ottke and both ran a mile, Warren offered Ottke numberous chances to fight Joe in Germany for a career high earner, but most of these German fighters have there own market in Germany and can make plenty of cash without actully facing a challenge.


Bernard Hopkins

"A teleconference was set up in my office in New York for July 30trh, 2002, and on the call was myself, Don King who was in the room, Frank Warren and Bernard Hopkins' lawyer, Arnold Joseph. Along with Arnold was a woman named Linda Carter, who was there on behalf of Bernard. We asked Arnold if Bernard wanted to fight Joe Calzaghe and we asked him how much money would he want if he did. The response we got was $3million and the fight would have to take place in the United States. After a little scratching of the head, we said 'Okay, done.' Frank Warren agreed on the spot, DOn King agreed and we agreed so as far as we were concerned all parties were singing off the one hymm sheet. Arnold excused himself with Linda and I can only assume it was to call Bernard. Either that day or the next day, they came with a new demand: $6million, dobule the sum that had been agreed, the deal blew up.....he had then and still has no desire to fight Joe Calzaghe, that much is pretty clear.

Joe gets criticised sometimes for not having fought the big-name Americans, but in this case the fault has never rested with him."

- Jay Larkin, then Showtime TV Network's Senior Vice-President of Sports and Event Programming.

Then we have good old Sven!!! Now if anyone thinks Calzaghe ducked Ottke needs a slap, becasue Ottke was average Joe would of made him look silly.

Sven Ottke

"We made two career high offers to Ottke's camp to fight in Germany, even though we'd seen what had happened with (Robin) Reid and (Charles) Brewer. Both were refused without any negotiation. That told me all I needed to know." - Frank Warren

Hopkins is one of the most overrated boxers of all time. He had two 50-50 fights with JT, the boxer who lost to limited Pavlik. I would like to watch a Hopkins against Calzaghe or Kessler :-D

just about every great boxer in history has been overrated by someone, hopkins is no different.

Hopkins is a hell of a talent, very smart, uses that to win fights. i rate hopkins very high, but just a cut below the elites... talking abut hsi taylor fights are bullshit and just a waste of a post, he was way past his best, had no real hunger in him either.

Okay, let us say 2000. What would an outcome had been between Calzaghe and Hopkins?

I can not even believe this question is being asked..Bernard Hopkins may have wanted a certain amount but Hopkins would not have turned down 3 million to fight Calzaghe anyone who believes other wise in a complete a**.....Anyone who believes anything that Frank Warren or anyone he does business with should get their head examined....WHY TF is is EVERYONE REFUSED TO FIGHT CALZAGHE AND CALZAGHE WAS ALWAYS WILLING TO FACE THEM IN THE USA...BULLSHIT!!!!!!.......The 2000 or 2002 version of Hopkins would have beaten the S*** out of Calzaghe.....Joe is a good fighter but not one of the guys that have been P4P have found a reason to not fight him like Warren always claims.....

If I hear one more time Roy Jones always found a way not to fight him ill PUKE!!!!...Calzaghe just became a P4P fighter after the Lacey win why should anyone Jones Hopkins ect have gone to Wales to fight him....They were the man to beat not Joe.....

Calzaghe has 0 power and I will repeat 0 power...anyman that can land a 1000 shots and his opponent still stands has nothing for guys like Hopkins and Jones to fear...Especially when they were on top of their game.....

Greatest Super Middleweight my a**!!!! The greatest Supermiddleweight to ever put on Gloves was Roy Jones Jr...That was the closest thing to being unbeatable I have ever witnessed....and at 168 or even 175 up until the jump to HW he would have ruined Calzaghe!!!!...anyone who thinks different is either mentally retarted of Frank Warren......

Hopkins avoid Calzaghe PLEASE!!!!...compare resumes my friend...if that is not enough then its time to take up a new sport as a hobby

My man Daxx telling it like it is.

More like,

getting flustered and throwing a fit faced with the truth.

Truth hurts don't it

If you believe that Hopkins or Roy Jones ever avoided Calzaghe and If you Believe one word Farank Warren says you are officially the biggest Calzaghe Nut Hugger in the world and more then likely Frank Warrens illegit child

[Wacko3205]

Lol this WAS the real deal..

No..That was the story you have read somewhere and chosen to believe, And in no way does it have any account from anyone who would be on hopkins side

Its warren calzaghe and others talking on how great calzaghe is..And its not gospel truth so why should i accept that, Truth is bernard murders Joe anytime anywhere

Did you miss the fact that I stated that this was a direct Hopkins quote?

Look...I'm a fan of Hopkins through & through...but what the man says...he means & he has haggled his way out of two Calzaghe fights. The first one was being negotiated through Don King whom Hopkins fought for.

The later was a Hopkins interview...where he stated (& I repeat) that "Calzaghe is a great fighter but it would be a step backwards for me right now. It's just not a big enough fight right now and I need a big fight to get motivated. A fight against Maskaev is exactly the type of fight I need."

He said it...so how is that Warren & Calzaghe propaganda? It's not...it's what Hopkins said when they made him an offer. He wanted Maskaev & turned it down...a second time...now he needs Joe because he can't get a fight at heavy & he's also made noise that he owes Joe for breaking his defense record.

Lets have it right..

Firstly "Did you miss the fact.. ".. Wack..I found your manners in the street earlier ..Whats your adress i'll post them to you.. All i ask is for people to be polite to me

And secondly my comment was a direct response to the original post and nothing else on this thread

My mistake...but if you found my manners on the street...you can keep them...I've got enough to tide me over here...& I didn't think that I had wronged you. If so...I do apologize.

[Tito BHB]

Lol this WAS the real deal..

No..That was the story you have read somewhere and chosen to believe, And in no way does it have any account from anyone who would be on hopkins side

Its warren calzaghe and others talking on how great calzaghe is..And its not gospel truth so why should i accept that, Truth is bernard murders Joe anytime anywhere

Did you miss the fact that I stated that this was a direct Hopkins quote?

Look...I'm a fan of Hopkins through & through...but what the man says...he means & he has haggled his way out of two Calzaghe fights. The first one was being negotiated through Don King whom Hopkins fought for.

The later was a Hopkins interview...where he stated (& I repeat) that "Calzaghe is a great fighter but it would be a step backwards for me right now. It's just not a big enough fight right now and I need a big fight to get motivated. A fight against Maskaev is exactly the type of fight I need."

He said it...so how is that Warren & Calzaghe propaganda? It's not...it's what Hopkins said when they made him an offer. He wanted Maskaev & turned it down...a second time...now he needs Joe because he can't get a fight at heavy & he's also made noise that he owes Joe for breaking his defense record.

Lets have it right..

Firstly "Did you miss the fact.. ".. Wack..I found your manners in the street earlier ..Whats your adress i'll post them to you.. All i ask is for people to be polite to me

And secondly my comment was a direct response to the original post and nothing else on this thread

My mistake...but if you found my manners on the street...you can keep them...I've got enough to tide me over here...& I didn't think that I had wronged you. If so...I do apologize.

Dont worry about it, Just the way you worded it.. No offense taken

[Fenster]

So Calzaghe is a bitch thats scared to fight the best is he?? The only two fighters who he realistally could of fought in his time are Hopkins and Ottke and both ran a mile, Warren offered Ottke numberous chances to fight Joe in Germany for a career high earner, but most of these German fighters have there own market in Germany and can make plenty of cash without actully facing a challenge.


Bernard Hopkins

"A teleconference was set up in my office in New York for July 30trh, 2002, and on the call was myself, Don King who was in the room, Frank Warren and Bernard Hopkins' lawyer, Arnold Joseph. Along with Arnold was a woman named Linda Carter, who was there on behalf of Bernard. We asked Arnold if Bernard wanted to fight Joe Calzaghe and we asked him how much money would he want if he did. The response we got was $3million and the fight would have to take place in the United States. After a little scratching of the head, we said 'Okay, done.' Frank Warren agreed on the spot, DOn King agreed and we agreed so as far as we were concerned all parties were singing off the one hymm sheet. Arnold excused himself with Linda and I can only assume it was to call Bernard. Either that day or the next day, they came with a new demand: $6million, dobule the sum that had been agreed, the deal blew up.....he had then and still has no desire to fight Joe Calzaghe, that much is pretty clear.

Joe gets criticised sometimes for not having fought the big-name Americans, but in this case the fault has never rested with him."

- Jay Larkin, then Showtime TV Network's Senior Vice-President of Sports and Event Programming.

Then we have good old Sven!!! Now if anyone thinks Calzaghe ducked Ottke needs a slap, becasue Ottke was average Joe would of made him look silly.

Sven Ottke

"We made two career high offers to Ottke's camp to fight in Germany, even though we'd seen what had happened with (Robin) Reid and (Charles) Brewer. Both were refused without any negotiation. That told me all I needed to know." - Frank Warren

Hopkins is one of the most overrated boxers of all time. He had two 50-50 fights with JT, the boxer who lost to limited Pavlik. I would like to watch a Hopkins against Calzaghe or Kessler :-D

just about every great boxer in history has been overrated by someone, hopkins is no different.

Hopkins is a hell of a talent, very smart, uses that to win fights. i rate hopkins very high, but just a cut below the elites... talking abut hsi taylor fights are bullshit and just a waste of a post, he was way past his best, had no real hunger in him either.

Okay, let us say 2000. What would an outcome had been between Calzaghe and Hopkins?

I can not even believe this question is being asked..Bernard Hopkins may have wanted a certain amount but Hopkins would not have turned down 3 million to fight Calzaghe anyone who believes other wise in a complete a**.....Anyone who believes anything that Frank Warren or anyone he does business with should get their head examined....WHY TF is is EVERYONE REFUSED TO FIGHT CALZAGHE AND CALZAGHE WAS ALWAYS WILLING TO FACE THEM IN THE USA...BULLSHIT!!!!!!.......The 2000 or 2002 version of Hopkins would have beaten the S*** out of Calzaghe.....Joe is a good fighter but not one of the guys that have been P4P have found a reason to not fight him like Warren always claims.....

If I hear one more time Roy Jones always found a way not to fight him ill PUKE!!!!...Calzaghe just became a P4P fighter after the Lacey win why should anyone Jones Hopkins ect have gone to Wales to fight him....They were the man to beat not Joe.....

Calzaghe has 0 power and I will repeat 0 power...anyman that can land a 1000 shots and his opponent still stands has nothing for guys like Hopkins and Jones to fear...Especially when they were on top of their game.....

Greatest Super Middleweight my a**!!!! The greatest Supermiddleweight to ever put on Gloves was Roy Jones Jr...That was the closest thing to being unbeatable I have ever witnessed....and at 168 or even 175 up until the jump to HW he would have ruined Calzaghe!!!!...anyone who thinks different is either mentally retarted of Frank Warren......

Hopkins avoid Calzaghe PLEASE!!!!...compare resumes my friend...if that is not enough then its time to take up a new sport as a hobby

My man Daxx telling it like it is.

More like,

getting flustered and throwing a fit faced with the truth.

Truth hurts don't it

If you believe that Hopkins or Roy Jones ever avoided Calzaghe and If you Believe one word Farank Warren says you are officially the biggest Calzaghe Nut Hugger in the world and more then likely Frank Warrens illegit child

Jay Larkin said it.

Why's it so hard to believe Hopkins turned down a career high payday to face Calzaghe?

Hopkins could obviously see the danger his fans couldn't. Swerving Calzaghe payed off in the end - OSCAR 10m!!!

[Wacko3205]

So Calzaghe is a bitch thats scared to fight the best is he?? The only two fighters who he realistally could of fought in his time are Hopkins and Ottke and both ran a mile, Warren offered Ottke numberous chances to fight Joe in Germany for a career high earner, but most of these German fighters have there own market in Germany and can make plenty of cash without actully facing a challenge.


Bernard Hopkins

"A teleconference was set up in my office in New York for July 30trh, 2002, and on the call was myself, Don King who was in the room, Frank Warren and Bernard Hopkins' lawyer, Arnold Joseph. Along with Arnold was a woman named Linda Carter, who was there on behalf of Bernard. We asked Arnold if Bernard wanted to fight Joe Calzaghe and we asked him how much money would he want if he did. The response we got was $3million and the fight would have to take place in the United States. After a little scratching of the head, we said 'Okay, done.' Frank Warren agreed on the spot, DOn King agreed and we agreed so as far as we were concerned all parties were singing off the one hymm sheet. Arnold excused himself with Linda and I can only assume it was to call Bernard. Either that day or the next day, they came with a new demand: $6million, dobule the sum that had been agreed, the deal blew up.....he had then and still has no desire to fight Joe Calzaghe, that much is pretty clear.

Joe gets criticised sometimes for not having fought the big-name Americans, but in this case the fault has never rested with him."

- Jay Larkin, then Showtime TV Network's Senior Vice-President of Sports and Event Programming.

Then we have good old Sven!!! Now if anyone thinks Calzaghe ducked Ottke needs a slap, becasue Ottke was average Joe would of made him look silly.

Sven Ottke

"We made two career high offers to Ottke's camp to fight in Germany, even though we'd seen what had happened with (Robin) Reid and (Charles) Brewer. Both were refused without any negotiation. That told me all I needed to know." - Frank Warren

Hopkins is one of the most overrated boxers of all time. He had two 50-50 fights with JT, the boxer who lost to limited Pavlik. I would like to watch a Hopkins against Calzaghe or Kessler :-D

just about every great boxer in history has been overrated by someone, hopkins is no different.

Hopkins is a hell of a talent, very smart, uses that to win fights. i rate hopkins very high, but just a cut below the elites... talking abut hsi taylor fights are bullshit and just a waste of a post, he was way past his best, had no real hunger in him either.

Okay, let us say 2000. What would an outcome had been between Calzaghe and Hopkins?

I can not even believe this question is being asked..Bernard Hopkins may have wanted a certain amount but Hopkins would not have turned down 3 million to fight Calzaghe anyone who believes other wise in a complete a**.....Anyone who believes anything that Frank Warren or anyone he does business with should get their head examined....WHY TF is is EVERYONE REFUSED TO FIGHT CALZAGHE AND CALZAGHE WAS ALWAYS WILLING TO FACE THEM IN THE USA...BULLSHIT!!!!!!.......The 2000 or 2002 version of Hopkins would have beaten the S*** out of Calzaghe.....Joe is a good fighter but not one of the guys that have been P4P have found a reason to not fight him like Warren always claims.....

If I hear one more time Roy Jones always found a way not to fight him ill PUKE!!!!...Calzaghe just became a P4P fighter after the Lacey win why should anyone Jones Hopkins ect have gone to Wales to fight him....They were the man to beat not Joe.....

Calzaghe has 0 power and I will repeat 0 power...anyman that can land a 1000 shots and his opponent still stands has nothing for guys like Hopkins and Jones to fear...Especially when they were on top of their game.....

Greatest Super Middleweight my a**!!!! The greatest Supermiddleweight to ever put on Gloves was Roy Jones Jr...That was the closest thing to being unbeatable I have ever witnessed....and at 168 or even 175 up until the jump to HW he would have ruined Calzaghe!!!!...anyone who thinks different is either mentally retarted of Frank Warren......

Hopkins avoid Calzaghe PLEASE!!!!...compare resumes my friend...if that is not enough then its time to take up a new sport as a hobby

My man Daxx telling it like it is.

More like,

getting flustered and throwing a fit faced with the truth.

Truth hurts don't it

If you believe that Hopkins or Roy Jones ever avoided Calzaghe and If you Believe one word Farank Warren says you are officially the biggest Calzaghe Nut Hugger in the world and more then likely Frank Warrens illegit child

Jay Larkin said it.

Why's it so hard to believe Hopkins turned down a career high payday to face Calzaghe?

Hopkins could obviously see the danger his fans couldn't. Swerving Calzaghe payed off in the end - OSCAR 10m!!!

Once again...Hopkins himself said it. Below is the link where you can read the quote that I have already printed in another post.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...2/ai_n16801399

[DaxxKahn]

So Calzaghe is a bitch thats scared to fight the best is he?? The only two fighters who he realistally could of fought in his time are Hopkins and Ottke and both ran a mile, Warren offered Ottke numberous chances to fight Joe in Germany for a career high earner, but most of these German fighters have there own market in Germany and can make plenty of cash without actully facing a challenge.


Bernard Hopkins

"A teleconference was set up in my office in New York for July 30trh, 2002, and on the call was myself, Don King who was in the room, Frank Warren and Bernard Hopkins' lawyer, Arnold Joseph. Along with Arnold was a woman named Linda Carter, who was there on behalf of Bernard. We asked Arnold if Bernard wanted to fight Joe Calzaghe and we asked him how much money would he want if he did. The response we got was $3million and the fight would have to take place in the United States. After a little scratching of the head, we said 'Okay, done.' Frank Warren agreed on the spot, DOn King agreed and we agreed so as far as we were concerned all parties were singing off the one hymm sheet. Arnold excused himself with Linda and I can only assume it was to call Bernard. Either that day or the next day, they came with a new demand: $6million, dobule the sum that had been agreed, the deal blew up.....he had then and still has no desire to fight Joe Calzaghe, that much is pretty clear.

Joe gets criticised sometimes for not having fought the big-name Americans, but in this case the fault has never rested with him."

- Jay Larkin, then Showtime TV Network's Senior Vice-President of Sports and Event Programming.

Then we have good old Sven!!! Now if anyone thinks Calzaghe ducked Ottke needs a slap, becasue Ottke was average Joe would of made him look silly.

Sven Ottke

"We made two career high offers to Ottke's camp to fight in Germany, even though we'd seen what had happened with (Robin) Reid and (Charles) Brewer. Both were refused without any negotiation. That told me all I needed to know." - Frank Warren

Hopkins is one of the most overrated boxers of all time. He had two 50-50 fights with JT, the boxer who lost to limited Pavlik. I would like to watch a Hopkins against Calzaghe or Kessler :-D

just about every great boxer in history has been overrated by someone, hopkins is no different.

Hopkins is a hell of a talent, very smart, uses that to win fights. i rate hopkins very high, but just a cut below the elites... talking abut hsi taylor fights are bullshit and just a waste of a post, he was way past his best, had no real hunger in him either.

Okay, let us say 2000. What would an outcome had been between Calzaghe and Hopkins?

I can not even believe this question is being asked..Bernard Hopkins may have wanted a certain amount but Hopkins would not have turned down 3 million to fight Calzaghe anyone who believes other wise in a complete a**.....Anyone who believes anything that Frank Warren or anyone he does business with should get their head examined....WHY TF is it EVERYONE REFUSED TO FIGHT CALZAGHE AND CALZAGHE WAS ALWAYS WILLING TO FACE THEM IN THE USA...BULLSHIT!!!!!!.......The 2000 or 2002 version of Hopkins would have beaten the S*** out of Calzaghe.....Joe is a good fighter but not one of the guys that have been P4P have found a reason to not fight him like Warren always claims.....

If I hear one more time Roy Jones always found a way not to fight him ill PUKE!!!!...Calzaghe just became a P4P fighter after the Lacey win why should anyone Jones Hopkins ect have gone to Wales to fight him....They were the man to beat not Joe.....

Calzaghe has 0 power and I will repeat 0 power...anyman that can land a 1000 shots and his opponent still stands has nothing for guys like Hopkins and Jones to fear...Especially when they were on top of their game.....

Greatest Super Middleweight my a**!!!! The greatest Supermiddleweight to ever put on Gloves was Roy Jones Jr...That was the closest thing to being unbeatable I have ever witnessed....and at 168 or even 175 up until the jump to HW he would have ruined Calzaghe!!!!...anyone who thinks different is either mentally retarted or Frank Warren......

Hopkins avoid Calzaghe PLEASE!!!!...compare resumes my friend...if that is not enough then its time to take up a new sport as a hobby

I hate to bust nuts here...& I aint an authority on Hopkins...but I am a die hard fan of the man...& whether he says something that I agree with or not...I have to be unbiased & stick to the facts...those being...Hopkins has turned down Calzaghe twice.

The first time was back in the day & it was actually over an agreed upon purse that was negotiated between King & Warren for $3 million dollars. Hopkins agree...then switched up within the week demanding $6 million. Many say that it was due to the location...but that's bullshit. The fight was arranged as being Calzaghe's first trip to America. The fight was speculated to take place across the pond on a hostile mat...but in all actuallity it was to be fought here in the U.S.

The next time was just prior to the Tarver fight. Calzaghe & Hopkins were going to battle over 10million dollars but Hopkins wanted to make a statement by taking the WBC heavyweight strap from Oleg Maskaev. A lot of noise was made & Hopkins bailed on the proposed Calzaghe bout.

Honestly...I can't remember the exact article...but Hopkins was interviewed & stated that "Calzaghe is a great fighter but it would be a step backwards for me right now. It's just not a big enough fight right now and I need a big fight to get motivated. A fight against Maskaev is exactly the type of fight I need."

I usually copy & keep all Hopkins interviews & quotes...being that I am such a huge Hopkins fan...that being said...he's turned down the fight offers people...he has.

C'Mon Wacko lets use our heads here...Calzaghe did not become a legit part of the elite until 2005...Hopkins and Jones have been there for over 10yrs...Warren offers 3mil but then wants them to go by all the other little BS terms he throws in..everything is not that cut and dry...it is not always about the money when you get to that stage in your career....it becomes a matter of pride and legecy...for guys of that stature to follow the terms of Warren and I do Stress Warren because Calzaghe has nothing to do with the negotiations he is a fighter...thats why he has a promoter all he does is agree to the promoters terms.... So after having a few in me last night the whole thought of this just pissed me off because Warren is such slime...look at the real picture here,,,when fighters at the elite level allow other guys to dictate the terms it makes them the opponent...Hopkins is no ones opponent...Calzaghe's people have no REAL intentions of fighting anywhere outside of Europe and if possible no where outside of the UK...If it was up to them they would hold all bouts in Calzaghes gym...this has nothing to do with anyone avoiding Calzaghe...it has to do with who the bigger fish in the pond is...the head lion in the pride so to speak and Calzaghe is not that man when it comes to the level of Hopkins or Jones...now he has the advantage over Roy since he has slipped so far but Hopkins NO...and especially not in 2002 or 2000...in fact back then outside of the UK Calzaghe was a nobody!!!! who the hell is his team to dictate terms....

Everyone says that these guys found ways of backing out but if Calzaghe and his people really wanted the fight WTF then why don't they step up and MAKE it happen?...

1 answer they DON'T want the fight that bad PERIOD!!!


and I can not remember who mentioned Jones last night that got me started on him but anyone who thinks Calzaghe is better now or at any point in his career then a Prime Jones at 168 like I said they are talking out there other end

[Fenster]

So Calzaghe is a bitch thats scared to fight the best is he?? The only two fighters who he realistally could of fought in his time are Hopkins and Ottke and both ran a mile, Warren offered Ottke numberous chances to fight Joe in Germany for a career high earner, but most of these German fighters have there own market in Germany and can make plenty of cash without actully facing a challenge.


Bernard Hopkins

"A teleconference was set up in my office in New York for July 30trh, 2002, and on the call was myself, Don King who was in the room, Frank Warren and Bernard Hopkins' lawyer, Arnold Joseph. Along with Arnold was a woman named Linda Carter, who was there on behalf of Bernard. We asked Arnold if Bernard wanted to fight Joe Calzaghe and we asked him how much money would he want if he did. The response we got was $3million and the fight would have to take place in the United States. After a little scratching of the head, we said 'Okay, done.' Frank Warren agreed on the spot, DOn King agreed and we agreed so as far as we were concerned all parties were singing off the one hymm sheet. Arnold excused himself with Linda and I can only assume it was to call Bernard. Either that day or the next day, they came with a new demand: $6million, dobule the sum that had been agreed, the deal blew up.....he had then and still has no desire to fight Joe Calzaghe, that much is pretty clear.

Joe gets criticised sometimes for not having fought the big-name Americans, but in this case the fault has never rested with him."

- Jay Larkin, then Showtime TV Network's Senior Vice-President of Sports and Event Programming.

Then we have good old Sven!!! Now if anyone thinks Calzaghe ducked Ottke needs a slap, becasue Ottke was average Joe would of made him look silly.

Sven Ottke

"We made two career high offers to Ottke's camp to fight in Germany, even though we'd seen what had happened with (Robin) Reid and (Charles) Brewer. Both were refused without any negotiation. That told me all I needed to know." - Frank Warren

Hopkins is one of the most overrated boxers of all time. He had two 50-50 fights with JT, the boxer who lost to limited Pavlik. I would like to watch a Hopkins against Calzaghe or Kessler :-D

just about every great boxer in history has been overrated by someone, hopkins is no different.

Hopkins is a hell of a talent, very smart, uses that to win fights. i rate hopkins very high, but just a cut below the elites... talking abut hsi taylor fights are bullshit and just a waste of a post, he was way past his best, had no real hunger in him either.

Okay, let us say 2000. What would an outcome had been between Calzaghe and Hopkins?

I can not even believe this question is being asked..Bernard Hopkins may have wanted a certain amount but Hopkins would not have turned down 3 million to fight Calzaghe anyone who believes other wise in a complete a**.....Anyone who believes anything that Frank Warren or anyone he does business with should get their head examined....WHY TF is is EVERYONE REFUSED TO FIGHT CALZAGHE AND CALZAGHE WAS ALWAYS WILLING TO FACE THEM IN THE USA...BULLSHIT!!!!!!.......The 2000 or 2002 version of Hopkins would have beaten the S*** out of Calzaghe.....Joe is a good fighter but not one of the guys that have been P4P have found a reason to not fight him like Warren always claims.....

If I hear one more time Roy Jones always found a way not to fight him ill PUKE!!!!...Calzaghe just became a P4P fighter after the Lacey win why should anyone Jones Hopkins ect have gone to Wales to fight him....They were the man to beat not Joe.....

Calzaghe has 0 power and I will repeat 0 power...anyman that can land a 1000 shots and his opponent still stands has nothing for guys like Hopkins and Jones to fear...Especially when they were on top of their game.....

Greatest Super Middleweight my a**!!!! The greatest Supermiddleweight to ever put on Gloves was Roy Jones Jr...That was the closest thing to being unbeatable I have ever witnessed....and at 168 or even 175 up until the jump to HW he would have ruined Calzaghe!!!!...anyone who thinks different is either mentally retarted of Frank Warren......

Hopkins avoid Calzaghe PLEASE!!!!...compare resumes my friend...if that is not enough then its time to take up a new sport as a hobby

My man Daxx telling it like it is.

More like,

getting flustered and throwing a fit faced with the truth.

Truth hurts don't it

If you believe that Hopkins or Roy Jones ever avoided Calzaghe and If you Believe one word Farank Warren says you are officially the biggest Calzaghe Nut Hugger in the world and more then likely Frank Warrens illegit child

Jay Larkin said it.

Why's it so hard to believe Hopkins turned down a career high payday to face Calzaghe?

Hopkins could obviously see the danger his fans couldn't. Swerving Calzaghe payed off in the end - OSCAR 10m!!!

Once again...Hopkins himself said it. Below is the link where you can read the quote that I have already printed in another post.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...2/ai_n16801399

Yeah i'm talking about the quote from the first post of this thread, Wackster.

Jay Larkin is the one saying Hopkins turned down a career high payday...But we all need to find a new sport to follow if we believe Hopkins would turndown a fight with Calzaghe

[DaxxKahn]

So Calzaghe is a bitch thats scared to fight the best is he?? The only two fighters who he realistally could of fought in his time are Hopkins and Ottke and both ran a mile, Warren offered Ottke numberous chances to fight Joe in Germany for a career high earner, but most of these German fighters have there own market in Germany and can make plenty of cash without actully facing a challenge.


Bernard Hopkins

"A teleconference was set up in my office in New York for July 30trh, 2002, and on the call was myself, Don King who was in the room, Frank Warren and Bernard Hopkins' lawyer, Arnold Joseph. Along with Arnold was a woman named Linda Carter, who was there on behalf of Bernard. We asked Arnold if Bernard wanted to fight Joe Calzaghe and we asked him how much money would he want if he did. The response we got was $3million and the fight would have to take place in the United States. After a little scratching of the head, we said 'Okay, done.' Frank Warren agreed on the spot, DOn King agreed and we agreed so as far as we were concerned all parties were singing off the one hymm sheet. Arnold excused himself with Linda and I can only assume it was to call Bernard. Either that day or the next day, they came with a new demand: $6million, dobule the sum that had been agreed, the deal blew up.....he had then and still has no desire to fight Joe Calzaghe, that much is pretty clear.

Joe gets criticised sometimes for not having fought the big-name Americans, but in this case the fault has never rested with him."

- Jay Larkin, then Showtime TV Network's Senior Vice-President of Sports and Event Programming.

Then we have good old Sven!!! Now if anyone thinks Calzaghe ducked Ottke needs a slap, becasue Ottke was average Joe would of made him look silly.

Sven Ottke

"We made two career high offers to Ottke's camp to fight in Germany, even though we'd seen what had happened with (Robin) Reid and (Charles) Brewer. Both were refused without any negotiation. That told me all I needed to know." - Frank Warren

Hopkins is one of the most overrated boxers of all time. He had two 50-50 fights with JT, the boxer who lost to limited Pavlik. I would like to watch a Hopkins against Calzaghe or Kessler :-D

just about every great boxer in history has been overrated by someone, hopkins is no different.

Hopkins is a hell of a talent, very smart, uses that to win fights. i rate hopkins very high, but just a cut below the elites... talking abut hsi taylor fights are bullshit and just a waste of a post, he was way past his best, had no real hunger in him either.

Okay, let us say 2000. What would an outcome had been between Calzaghe and Hopkins?

I can not even believe this question is being asked..Bernard Hopkins may have wanted a certain amount but Hopkins would not have turned down 3 million to fight Calzaghe anyone who believes other wise in a complete a**.....Anyone who believes anything that Frank Warren or anyone he does business with should get their head examined....WHY TF is is EVERYONE REFUSED TO FIGHT CALZAGHE AND CALZAGHE WAS ALWAYS WILLING TO FACE THEM IN THE USA...BULLSHIT!!!!!!.......The 2000 or 2002 version of Hopkins would have beaten the S*** out of Calzaghe.....Joe is a good fighter but not one of the guys that have been P4P have found a reason to not fight him like Warren always claims.....

If I hear one more time Roy Jones always found a way not to fight him ill PUKE!!!!...Calzaghe just became a P4P fighter after the Lacey win why should anyone Jones Hopkins ect have gone to Wales to fight him....They were the man to beat not Joe.....

Calzaghe has 0 power and I will repeat 0 power...anyman that can land a 1000 shots and his opponent still stands has nothing for guys like Hopkins and Jones to fear...Especially when they were on top of their game.....

Greatest Super Middleweight my a**!!!! The greatest Supermiddleweight to ever put on Gloves was Roy Jones Jr...That was the closest thing to being unbeatable I have ever witnessed....and at 168 or even 175 up until the jump to HW he would have ruined Calzaghe!!!!...anyone who thinks different is either mentally retarted of Frank Warren......

Hopkins avoid Calzaghe PLEASE!!!!...compare resumes my friend...if that is not enough then its time to take up a new sport as a hobby

My man Daxx telling it like it is.

More like,

getting flustered and throwing a fit faced with the truth.

Truth hurts don't it

If you believe that Hopkins or Roy Jones ever avoided Calzaghe and If you Believe one word Farank Warren says you are officially the biggest Calzaghe Nut Hugger in the world and more then likely Frank Warrens illegit child

Jay Larkin said it.

Why's it so hard to believe Hopkins turned down a career high payday to face Calzaghe?

Hopkins could obviously see the danger his fans couldn't. Swerving Calzaghe payed off in the end - OSCAR 10m!!!

Fenster I just CC'd you I apologize I blasted you more then I should have and acted like an ass but this whole thing pisses me off and the fact people are going for the Warren BS

[superheavyrhun]

My man Daxx telling it like it is.

More like,

getting flustered and throwing a fit faced with the truth.

Truth hurts don't it

If you believe that Hopkins or Roy Jones ever avoided Calzaghe and If you Believe one word Farank Warren says you are officially the biggest Calzaghe Nut Hugger in the world and more then likely Frank Warrens illegit child

Daxx, I don't mean to pick you up on your use of the facts here, but there are an awful lot of people on here who do believe the words of Warren, Don King, Joe Cazlaghe and others who were at that meeting in that Hopkins reneged on his verbal agreement for $3 million.

My point is, if we have 15 on this thread alone, it would be almost impossible for everyone who believes this to be the likely illegitimate child of Frank Warren. And speaking of children, that is a ridiculously petulant response there youngster.

Perhaps it is you who are Warren's illegit child, and are looking to undermine his business in the only way you can, by flinging muck on a forum read by a tiny percentage of the people likely to go to the Calzaghe fights?

Personally, both situations seem rather implausible...but you never know.

[DaxxKahn]

So Calzaghe is a bitch thats scared to fight the best is he?? The only two fighters who he realistally could of fought in his time are Hopkins and Ottke and both ran a mile, Warren offered Ottke numberous chances to fight Joe in Germany for a career high earner, but most of these German fighters have there own market in Germany and can make plenty of cash without actully facing a challenge.


Bernard Hopkins

"A teleconference was set up in my office in New York for July 30trh, 2002, and on the call was myself, Don King who was in the room, Frank Warren and Bernard Hopkins' lawyer, Arnold Joseph. Along with Arnold was a woman named Linda Carter, who was there on behalf of Bernard. We asked Arnold if Bernard wanted to fight Joe Calzaghe and we asked him how much money would he want if he did. The response we got was $3million and the fight would have to take place in the United States. After a little scratching of the head, we said 'Okay, done.' Frank Warren agreed on the spot, DOn King agreed and we agreed so as far as we were concerned all parties were singing off the one hymm sheet. Arnold excused himself with Linda and I can only assume it was to call Bernard. Either that day or the next day, they came with a new demand: $6million, dobule the sum that had been agreed, the deal blew up.....he had then and still has no desire to fight Joe Calzaghe, that much is pretty clear.

Joe gets criticised sometimes for not having fought the big-name Americans, but in this case the fault has never rested with him."

- Jay Larkin, then Showtime TV Network's Senior Vice-President of Sports and Event Programming.

Then we have good old Sven!!! Now if anyone thinks Calzaghe ducked Ottke needs a slap, becasue Ottke was average Joe would of made him look silly.

Sven Ottke

"We made two career high offers to Ottke's camp to fight in Germany, even though we'd seen what had happened with (Robin) Reid and (Charles) Brewer. Both were refused without any negotiation. That told me all I needed to know." - Frank Warren

Hopkins is one of the most overrated boxers of all time. He had two 50-50 fights with JT, the boxer who lost to limited Pavlik. I would like to watch a Hopkins against Calzaghe or Kessler :-D

just about every great boxer in history has been overrated by someone, hopkins is no different.

Hopkins is a hell of a talent, very smart, uses that to win fights. i rate hopkins very high, but just a cut below the elites... talking abut hsi taylor fights are bullshit and just a waste of a post, he was way past his best, had no real hunger in him either.

Okay, let us say 2000. What would an outcome had been between Calzaghe and Hopkins?

I can not even believe this question is being asked..Bernard Hopkins may have wanted a certain amount but Hopkins would not have turned down 3 million to fight Calzaghe anyone who believes other wise in a complete a**.....Anyone who believes anything that Frank Warren or anyone he does business with should get their head examined....WHY TF is is EVERYONE REFUSED TO FIGHT CALZAGHE AND CALZAGHE WAS ALWAYS WILLING TO FACE THEM IN THE USA...BULLSHIT!!!!!!.......The 2000 or 2002 version of Hopkins would have beaten the S*** out of Calzaghe.....Joe is a good fighter but not one of the guys that have been P4P have found a reason to not fight him like Warren always claims.....

If I hear one more time Roy Jones always found a way not to fight him ill PUKE!!!!...Calzaghe just became a P4P fighter after the Lacey win why should anyone Jones Hopkins ect have gone to Wales to fight him....They were the man to beat not Joe.....

Calzaghe has 0 power and I will repeat 0 power...anyman that can land a 1000 shots and his opponent still stands has nothing for guys like Hopkins and Jones to fear...Especially when they were on top of their game.....

Greatest Super Middleweight my a**!!!! The greatest Supermiddleweight to ever put on Gloves was Roy Jones Jr...That was the closest thing to being unbeatable I have ever witnessed....and at 168 or even 175 up until the jump to HW he would have ruined Calzaghe!!!!...anyone who thinks different is either mentally retarted of Frank Warren......

Hopkins avoid Calzaghe PLEASE!!!!...compare resumes my friend...if that is not enough then its time to take up a new sport as a hobby

My man Daxx telling it like it is.

More like,

getting flustered and throwing a fit faced with the truth.

Truth hurts don't it

If you believe that Hopkins or Roy Jones ever avoided Calzaghe and If you Believe one word Farank Warren says you are officially the biggest Calzaghe Nut Hugger in the world and more then likely Frank Warrens illegit child

Jay Larkin said it.

Why's it so hard to believe Hopkins turned down a career high payday to face Calzaghe?

Hopkins could obviously see the danger his fans couldn't. Swerving Calzaghe payed off in the end - OSCAR 10m!!!

Once again...Hopkins himself said it. Below is the link where you can read the quote that I have already printed in another post.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...2/ai_n16801399

Yeah i'm talking about the quote from the first post of this thread, Wackster.

Jay Larkin is the one saying Hopkins turned down a career high payday...But we all need to find a new sport to follow if we believe Hopkins would turndown a fight with Calzaghe

Ahh but see thats where you are getting yourself confused and the roll of the eyes just kills your comment validity....

It has nothing to do with the turning down the fight that part is obvious but it is the fact people claim it is because Hopkins was AFRAID to fight Calzaghe!!! It has nothing to do with ducking it has all to do with polotics and that is what people refuse to understand

[Fenster]

So Calzaghe is a bitch thats scared to fight the best is he?? The only two fighters who he realistally could of fought in his time are Hopkins and Ottke and both ran a mile, Warren offered Ottke numberous chances to fight Joe in Germany for a career high earner, but most of these German fighters have there own market in Germany and can make plenty of cash without actully facing a challenge.


Bernard Hopkins

"A teleconference was set up in my office in New York for July 30trh, 2002, and on the call was myself, Don King who was in the room, Frank Warren and Bernard Hopkins' lawyer, Arnold Joseph. Along with Arnold was a woman named Linda Carter, who was there on behalf of Bernard. We asked Arnold if Bernard wanted to fight Joe Calzaghe and we asked him how much money would he want if he did. The response we got was $3million and the fight would have to take place in the United States. After a little scratching of the head, we said 'Okay, done.' Frank Warren agreed on the spot, DOn King agreed and we agreed so as far as we were concerned all parties were singing off the one hymm sheet. Arnold excused himself with Linda and I can only assume it was to call Bernard. Either that day or the next day, they came with a new demand: $6million, dobule the sum that had been agreed, the deal blew up.....he had then and still has no desire to fight Joe Calzaghe, that much is pretty clear.

Joe gets criticised sometimes for not having fought the big-name Americans, but in this case the fault has never rested with him."

- Jay Larkin, then Showtime TV Network's Senior Vice-President of Sports and Event Programming.

Then we have good old Sven!!! Now if anyone thinks Calzaghe ducked Ottke needs a slap, becasue Ottke was average Joe would of made him look silly.

Sven Ottke

"We made two career high offers to Ottke's camp to fight in Germany, even though we'd seen what had happened with (Robin) Reid and (Charles) Brewer. Both were refused without any negotiation. That told me all I needed to know." - Frank Warren

Hopkins is one of the most overrated boxers of all time. He had two 50-50 fights with JT, the boxer who lost to limited Pavlik. I would like to watch a Hopkins against Calzaghe or Kessler :-D

just about every great boxer in history has been overrated by someone, hopkins is no different.

Hopkins is a hell of a talent, very smart, uses that to win fights. i rate hopkins very high, but just a cut below the elites... talking abut hsi taylor fights are bullshit and just a waste of a post, he was way past his best, had no real hunger in him either.

Okay, let us say 2000. What would an outcome had been between Calzaghe and Hopkins?

I can not even believe this question is being asked..Bernard Hopkins may have wanted a certain amount but Hopkins would not have turned down 3 million to fight Calzaghe anyone who believes other wise in a complete a**.....Anyone who believes anything that Frank Warren or anyone he does business with should get their head examined....WHY TF is is EVERYONE REFUSED TO FIGHT CALZAGHE AND CALZAGHE WAS ALWAYS WILLING TO FACE THEM IN THE USA...BULLSHIT!!!!!!.......The 2000 or 2002 version of Hopkins would have beaten the S*** out of Calzaghe.....Joe is a good fighter but not one of the guys that have been P4P have found a reason to not fight him like Warren always claims.....

If I hear one more time Roy Jones always found a way not to fight him ill PUKE!!!!...Calzaghe just became a P4P fighter after the Lacey win why should anyone Jones Hopkins ect have gone to Wales to fight him....They were the man to beat not Joe.....

Calzaghe has 0 power and I will repeat 0 power...anyman that can land a 1000 shots and his opponent still stands has nothing for guys like Hopkins and Jones to fear...Especially when they were on top of their game.....

Greatest Super Middleweight my a**!!!! The greatest Supermiddleweight to ever put on Gloves was Roy Jones Jr...That was the closest thing to being unbeatable I have ever witnessed....and at 168 or even 175 up until the jump to HW he would have ruined Calzaghe!!!!...anyone who thinks different is either mentally retarted of Frank Warren......

Hopkins avoid Calzaghe PLEASE!!!!...compare resumes my friend...if that is not enough then its time to take up a new sport as a hobby

My man Daxx telling it like it is.

More like,

getting flustered and throwing a fit faced with the truth.

Truth hurts don't it

If you believe that Hopkins or Roy Jones ever avoided Calzaghe and If you Believe one word Farank Warren says you are officially the biggest Calzaghe Nut Hugger in the world and more then likely Frank Warrens illegit child

Jay Larkin said it.

Why's it so hard to believe Hopkins turned down a career high payday to face Calzaghe?

Hopkins could obviously see the danger his fans couldn't. Swerving Calzaghe payed off in the end - OSCAR 10m!!!

Fenster I just CC'd you I apologize I blasted you more then I should have and acted like an ass but this whole thing pisses me off and the fact people are going for the Warren BS

Oh OK, CC back

And I don't think Hopkins scuppered the deal because he was afraid. He's a smart man

[Mikkel_K]

Why's it so hard to believe Hopkins turned down a career high payday to face Calzaghe?

Hopkins could obviously see the danger his fans couldn't. Swerving Calzaghe payed off in the end - OSCAR 10m!!!

Once again...Hopkins himself said it. Below is the link where you can read the quote that I have already printed in another post.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...2/ai_n16801399

Sort of related and perhaps interesting to some on this board:

Danish press today quotes Ramiro Gonzalez, Public Relations director off Golden Boy, with saying that they are very interested in having Hopkins meeting the winner of Calzaghe-Kessler. He is even stating that Hopkins is willing to move down to 168 to fight.

Dunno if Hopkins and Gonzalez are in sync on this one, but at least it has appeared in usually trustworthy medias, so I guess the quote at least is legit.