Lewis v Ruddock - 15 Years Ago

[Spicoli]

What a coming out party Lennox had this night.

Ummm, many of Lennox's best wins were guys past their prime also. However, doesn't take anything away from his reign. Just reality. Ruddock was on his way down at the time this fight took place.

Come on luvfightgame...
You think Tua was past his best?
You think Briggs was past his best?
You think Grant was past his best?
You think Vitaly was past his best?

All due big time respect CutMeMick.....Did Grant really have a "prime"

and sorry but Baby Huey Tua's prime past him 20 lbs and 10 spots of dedication ago when he woddled in with Lewis.Dont get me wrong,Lewis was the Sh!!. and I was a sceptical U.S convert.Demolition of Ruddock had me

Believe me I know what your saying about Grant but to be fair IF Grant would have beat Lennox what would we be saying now?
So you gotta include Grant in their cause up until that point Grant was still looked as a threat.
So your saying Tua was past his best when he met Lewis?

Absolutley without a Drunken Doubt..........Tua's preformance stated his state of mind.Out of shape stand on the outside getting pepperd and slower than "dial up".Past his prime!
Lets put it this way,He never regained his Best and believe it or not I saw Grant as more of a threat on there given night.

[CutMeMick]

What a coming out party Lennox had this night.

Ummm, many of Lennox's best wins were guys past their prime also. However, doesn't take anything away from his reign. Just reality. Ruddock was on his way down at the time this fight took place.

Come on luvfightgame...
You think Tua was past his best?
You think Briggs was past his best?
You think Grant was past his best?
You think Vitaly was past his best?

All due big time respect CutMeMick.....Did Grant really have a "prime"

and sorry but Baby Huey Tua's prime past him 20 lbs and 10 spots of dedication ago when he woddled in with Lewis.Dont get me wrong,Lewis was the Sh!!. and I was a sceptical U.S convert.Demolition of Ruddock had me

Believe me I know what your saying about Grant but to be fair IF Grant would have beat Lennox what would we be saying now?
So you gotta include Grant in their cause up until that point Grant was still looked as a threat.
So your saying Tua was past his best when he met Lewis?

Absolutley without a Drunken Doubt..........Tua's preformance stated his state of mind.Out of shape stand on the outside getting pepperd and slower than "dial up".Past his prime!
Lets put it this way,He never regained his Best and believe it or not I saw Grant as more of a threat on there given night.

I think Tua was still there. I mean he hit Lennox with some really good shots.
Sure Lennox won but IMO that's due to Lennox being that much better then Tua.
But fairplay to you Spicoli.

[No Contest]

The good ole days of the early nineties that was a good time for the heavyweights, thats right around when I really started following boxing.

[Body Puncher]

Not to get anything started here but it is hard to claim these guys were past their best when Lewis beat them.

Michael Grant- Undefeated at time of their fight, everyone was singing the praises of his future he was 31-0 and at the time I think the biggest ranked contender in HW boxing and was destroyed

David Tua- His only loss was to Ibeabuchi who was very highly thought of

Shannon Briggs- 30-1 at the time, his asthma barely bothered him

Evander Holyfield- this was Evander in 1999, nothing more be said

Frans Botha- Still highly reguarded.

Andrew Golota- Feared by everyone, he would have been world champion if not for the fact he could not keep his punches up, he was beating Bowe at the times he was DQ'd. No one was looking to face him. During the build up to the fight many top guys picked Golota to win if he could not make the same mistakes

When you break it down these guys were all in the middle of their career going strong, if the fights took place in 2005 then there would be a case for past their best not in 1995-2000. When you really think about it for some after the fight with Lewis is when things stalled out. Just my 2 cents

[porkypara]

Anybody remember the Meldric Taylor fight on the under card when he lost his title in an upset as well.

[CutMeMick]

Anybody remember the Meldric Taylor fight on the under card when he lost his title in an upset as well.

Was he really upset tho?
I mean we know that MT was never the same after the 1st JCC fight.
Also MT had just come off being TKO'd by 'Terrible' in his previous fight where he moved up in weight.

[porkypara]

Anybody remember the Meldric Taylor fight on the under card when he lost his title in an upset as well.

Was he really upset tho?
I mean we know that MT was never the same after the 1st JCC fight.
Also MT had just come off being TKO'd by 'Terrible' in his previous fight where he moved up in weight.

Well I remember expecting Taylor to win.

[luvfightgame]

What a coming out party Lennox had this night.

Ummm, many of Lennox's best wins were guys past their prime also. However, doesn't take anything away from his reign. Just reality. Ruddock was on his way down at the time this fight took place.

Come on luvfightgame...
You think Tua was past his best?
You think Briggs was past his best?
You think Grant was past his best?
You think Vitaly was past his best?

Ok, Tua was out of shape. Briggs, Grant, and Vitaly were all in their primes.

I didn't say all the fighters were past their best. I said many. And many of them were already beaten by Tyson. Let's see, Ruddock, Bruno, Akiwande, all lost to Tyson already, Holyfield was WAY WAY past his prime when he fought Tyson, let alone when he fought Lewis.

Lewis has the better resume because he beat the men that beat him. Tyson never avenged his losses. As far as quality and point in career of the opposition, I think it's pretty even. They beat many of the same guys, obviously Lewis did it after Tyson because he's younger. Also Tyson had his jail term there or he would have fought Morrison, and a few others.

I'm not bashing Lewis, just being realistic.

[Mr140]

Lennox was older then Tyson and Lennox ruled a era that had better quailty then Tysons. just thought you should know becasue you said Lewis was younger or i read it wrong.

[Mr140]

And holyfeild was not past it that bad and i mean come on he still fought alot a years after and he was champion when Lennox beat him he was not prime but not past it.

[Master]

Holyfield is a freak, he fought better when he was heavyweight champion the first time but had to bulk up to fight the bigger heavyweights which resulted in him being slower and punching less.

Crisanto Espana was unheard of fighter and was not the favourite. He retired mysteriously quickly.

[Body Puncher]

What a coming out party Lennox had this night.

Ummm, many of Lennox's best wins were guys past their prime also. However, doesn't take anything away from his reign. Just reality. Ruddock was on his way down at the time this fight took place.

Come on luvfightgame...
You think Tua was past his best?
You think Briggs was past his best?
You think Grant was past his best?
You think Vitaly was past his best?

Ok, Tua was out of shape. Briggs, Grant, and Vitaly were all in their primes.

I didn't say all the fighters were past their best. I said many. And many of them were already beaten by Tyson. Let's see, Ruddock, Bruno, Akiwande, all lost to Tyson already, Holyfield was WAY WAY past his prime when he fought Tyson, let alone when he fought Lewis.

Lewis has the better resume because he beat the men that beat him. Tyson never avenged his losses. As far as quality and point in career of the opposition, I think it's pretty even. They beat many of the same guys, obviously Lewis did it after Tyson because he's younger. Also Tyson had his jail term there or he would have fought Morrison, and a few others.

I'm not bashing Lewis, just being realistic.

I will agree on one hing you said and that is Tyson threw away some important years spending time in prison but on the other hand.

Golota wis still in his prime, So was Botha and most the others. Tyson also never fought Akinwande, he was also around long enough to fight Morrison and Mercer.

I was a fan of Mike Tysons but when speaking reality Lennox has the better Resume, I also believe that Lewis posessed just as much 1 punch power if not more then Tyson

[Master]

Lennox had a longer career at the top, after jail he was never the same, maybe after the first deafeat, hell maybe after Rooney left him. Yet Tyson was a force of nature and that Tyson that beat Berbick et al would have beaten Lennox, who was cautious by nature and would not have been offensively minded if he ever fought that Tyson. Lennox was holding like an octopus when he fought an old weary spliff smoking overweight version of Tyson in that first round.

[Mr140]

Get out of the dream world Lennox could of ended tyson at any time. And Lennox would beat Tyson no matter when they fought and it is simple Lewis power and jab would end Tyson with out a doubt all my money on Lewis.

[Body Puncher]

Lennox had a longer career at the top, after jail he was never the same, maybe after the first deafeat, hell maybe after Rooney left him. Yet Tyson was a force of nature and that Tyson that beat Berbick et al would have beaten Lennox, who was cautious by nature and would not have been offensively minded if he ever fought that Tyson. Lennox was holding like an octopus when he fought an old weary spliff smoking overweight version of Tyson in that first round.

I can see that you are one of those Tyson worshippers that will make any excuse in the world be it against Lennox Lewis or any other fighter. Just the fact you bring up Kevin Rooney gives it all away.

I hate to burst your bubble but as far as stepping into the ring goes Tyson already had the skills. When he left Rooney he did not need to be taught how to fight. He choose to go another way and that is his fault no one elses. Do not try to dis-credit other fighters accomplishments for Tysons screw ups.

Lennox Lewis was no Trevor Berbick, by time Lewis hit 34yrs old he had become a MASTER ( no pun intended) boxer with incredible power. Who has the best resume of wins of any heavyweight champion of the last 20 years hands down.

The reasons you are giving sound like a cop out for not being able to back up your arguement