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Re: Looking at this Hagler was The Best MW of All Time
I agree with Wacko im quoting this again so people can actually look and see that Hopkins is well and truly top 3 Middleweight of all time Robinson is slighty overrated at Middleweight if people go and study his record at Middleweight it is far from impressive and if people go study Hopkins record they would realize his opposition wasn't as bad as some people make out i think Hopkins is a bit underrated.Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Yea wacko that some pretty funny stuff you said about the preaching stuff and has alot of truth to it.
Circa 1985
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Ofcourse it's right.
Unless you don't know how to copy and paste the right way.
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Mick instead of keep making jokes about me why don't we have good convo about the subject.Ofcourse it's right.
Unless you don't know how to copy and paste the right way.
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Ice i already probably know the answer but who would you pick to win Monzon or Hagler vs Roy Jones Jr.
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As much as i like Monzon he was quite slow to slow for prime Roy Jones i think Jones outpoint's Monzon but Monzon's jab would trouble Jones plus Monzon has good straight right hand.
Hagler like Monzon is tad too slow for prime Roy Jones i think Jones outpoints Hagler although Jones would have some trouble when Hagler gets him against the ropes and Hagler would be able to steal some rounds when he gets Jones on the ropes and outworks him but Hagler wouldn't be able to walkthrough Jones shots as tough as Hagler is Jones hits damn hard he even knocked out Tate in 2 rounds who went 12 rounds with hardest hitting Middleweight of all time Julian Jackson.
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Hopkins is truely underratted...& totally underappreciated.I agree with Wacko im quoting this again so people can actually look and see that Hopkins is well and truly top 3 Middleweight of all time Robinson is slighty overrated at Middleweight if people go and study his record at Middleweight it is far from impressive and if people go study Hopkins record they would realize his opposition wasn't as bad as some people make out i think Hopkins is a bit underrated.
Imagine if someone young & rising had Hopkins skills. Hopkins craft...his cageiness.
While Floyd is a beaut in the ring...he still doesn't have all the Nards tricks & tactics...if he did...Floyd would probably be more appreciated.
As far as studying the opposition...not many people will or want to do that. You get a whole different outlook on how great Hopkins truely was when you see what he did to some of the people when they were a force.
Trust me babe...I sound like a fwockin ordained minister when it comes to Floyd, Calzaghe, Hopkins, & basically the middleweight division.
Oh come on now Ice...if everything in life was serious...if everything in boxing was serious...errrrrrrmmmmm...if everything said on this site was serious...well...Mick instead of keep making jokes about me why don't we have good convo about the subject.Ofcourse it's right.
Unless you don't know how to copy and paste the right way.
WE'D ALL BE TOSSING OUR COOKIES OVER THE RELEASE OF THOUSANDS OF GAY PORN VIDS OF A CERTAIN SOMEONE IN LEATHER WEARING A BIG OLE' FAT ASS PAIR OF SUNGLASSES BLOWING OUR FAVORITE BOXERS FOR AUTOGRAPHS & PHOTO'S.
Now I aint callin any names...or anything like that...this year they hung a sign outside of the men's room of the 28th Annual World Boxing Hall of Fame Induction ceremony that was titled the "The Hall of Shame"...now I don't want to post any photo's of this offender...just like I didn't want to call any names...BUT...here's a photo of said offender...with another satisfied customer :
Never beg a 40 dollar hooker...specially after she's just turned down your mom's credit card!!
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The Hall of Shame.
What goes on behind closed doors...
Heh heh heh.
Never beg a 40 dollar hooker...specially after she's just turned down your mom's credit card!!
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OK while your on the post wacko who would you pick on the Monzon or Hagler vs Roy Jones Jr.
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I like Mick always have and i take his humour with pinch of salt but he has said this to me many times and i find it just little insulting because its implying i don't know anything.Hopkins is truely underratted...& totally underappreciated.I agree with Wacko im quoting this again so people can actually look and see that Hopkins is well and truly top 3 Middleweight of all time Robinson is slighty overrated at Middleweight if people go and study his record at Middleweight it is far from impressive and if people go study Hopkins record they would realize his opposition wasn't as bad as some people make out i think Hopkins is a bit underrated.
Imagine if someone young & rising had Hopkins skills. Hopkins craft...his cageiness.
While Floyd is a beaut in the ring...he still doesn't have all the Nards tricks & tactics...if he did...Floyd would probably be more appreciated.
As far as studying the opposition...not many people will or want to do that. You get a whole different outlook on how great Hopkins truely was when you see what he did to some of the people when they were a force.
Trust me babe...I sound like a fwockin ordained minister when it comes to Floyd, Calzaghe, Hopkins, & basically the middleweight division.
Oh come on now Ice...if everything in life was serious...if everything in boxing was serious...errrrrrrmmmmm...if everything said on this site was serious...well...Mick instead of keep making jokes about me why don't we have good convo about the subject.Ofcourse it's right.
Unless you don't know how to copy and paste the right way.
WE'D ALL BE TOSSING OUR COOKIES OVER THE RELEASE OF THOUSANDS OF GAY PORN VIDS OF A CERTAIN SOMEONE IN LEATHER WEARING A BIG OLE' FAT a** PAIR OF SUNGLASSES BLOWING OUR FAVORITE BOXERS FOR AUTOGRAPHS & PHOTO'S.
Now I aint callin any names...or anything like that...this year they hung a sign outside of the men's room of the 28th Annual World Boxing Hall of Fame Induction ceremony that was titled the "The Hall of Shame"...now I don't want to post any photo's of this offender...just like I didn't want to call any names...BUT...here's a photo of said offender...with another satisfied customer :
As for Hopkins yes Wacko you are correct about Hopkins imagine young Hopkins with the skills of old Hopkins damn what a force he would of been shame Hopkins reached his peak in his later years.
Hopkins opposition is underrated he beat some good names i don't think he gets enough credit.
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Are you crazy?Mick instead of keep making jokes about me why don't we have good convo about the subject.Ofcourse it's right.
Unless you don't know how to copy and paste the right way.
The last thing I need is for you to show me up.
On a more serious note you can throw all thos stats out the window. Stats don't hold a lot of grown sometimes.
Especially when trying to decide if Middles fought legit Middles.
Yes, ODLH started at SuperFeather OK.... That was how long ago? Who cares at what weight a fighter started.
Winkys best weight is Light Middle.... OK.. Hopkins beat him and that's that.
They are quality opponents regardless at what weight they started off at. Boxers move up and down in weight classes it's part of being a fighter. How else do you establish P4P? If a smaller moves up in weight and the established champ at that weight beats him then people say "Well he beat a smaller guy", but if he loses "He lost to a smaller guy, he sucks."
So to me when people say we'll he beat blown up ___________ <----- Insert weight division here.
I just don't buy it UNLESS a fighter is making a leap about 3 divisions up 1 one leap then that's a whole different story.
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Are you crazy?Are you crazy?Mick instead of keep making jokes about me why don't we have good convo about the subject.Ofcourse it's right.
Unless you don't know how to copy and paste the right way.
The last thing I need is for you to show me up.
On a more serious note you can throw all thos stats out the window. Stats don't hold a lot of grown sometimes.
Especially when trying to decide if Middles fought legit Middles.
Yes, ODLH started at SuperFeather OK.... That was how long ago? Who cares at what weight a fighter started.
Winkys best weight is Light Middle.... OK.. Hopkins beat him and that's that.
They are quality opponents regardless at what weight they started off at. Boxers move up and down in weight classes it's part of being a fighter. How else do you establish P4P? If a smaller moves up in weight and the established champ at that weight beats him then people say "Well he beat a smaller guy", but if he loses "He lost to a smaller guy, he sucks."
So to me when people say we'll he beat blown up ___________ <----- Insert weight division here.
I just don't buy it UNLESS a fighter is making a leap about 3 divisions up 1 one leap then that's a whole different story.
The last thing I need is for you to show me up.
Im not trying to show you up and i like you know that i just wish you wouldn't keep saying what your saying because i find it little insulting because its implying i don't know anything.
On a more serious note you can throw all thos stats out the window. Stats don't hold a lot of grown sometimes.
Especially when trying to decide if Middles fought legit Middles.
Yes, ODLH started at SuperFeather OK.... That was how long ago? Who cares at what weight a fighter started.
Winkys best weight is Light Middle.... OK.. Hopkins beat him and that's that.
I was just trying to give people a clearer picture thats all.
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Oh please. You can't look at it like that...it's just the way that he get's to ya.
I've gotten you on the same thing...maybe not as often or as effectively...but it's just a way of needling.
We all do it to each other...don't take it so seriously. Mick's 100% light hearted...he might not admit it...but he got sucked into that early...it's a habit that I stuck him with.
Believe you me...his worst habits are sucking & sticking.
True. I would have loved to have seen him peak earlier...but he got all of his training & am career STSO in the pen...& if we looked at it that way...he'd have probably ended up spent like Jones in his later years.
No...in the end...Hopkins is just fantastic the way that he is & the fact that he's an elder & still ripping it up...that's what makes him a GOAT.
Agreed.
Never beg a 40 dollar hooker...specially after she's just turned down your mom's credit card!!
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You know what...you just raised something that I've been wanting to ask...so think it over before you jump right in.
I saw Hopkins vs Wright...& walked out of the bout at the start of the 11th round in disgust...which has no point...but once I start drinking...
Anywho!
The question :
Had Wright & Hopkins fought at 160lbs...do you not think that the outcome would have been different?
I do. I always will...after watching that shit live & on tape...I will.
I hated that gotdam fight...& I always will. It could have been so much more, IWHO, had Winky been at 160lbs & had there been a competent referree on the mat.
Mick...thougths?
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Good for comparrisons ICE but on Hopkins as far as best wins and maybe not big names I'd take off 1st Allen fight and maybe even Simon Brown ,just my opinion but brown was Alll done and shouldnt have been in there with B-Hop.
Toss in Joe Lipsey assasination and burial,Keith holmes in Middle turny(though Holmes ran a track meet) and at the great risk of being laughed at....Gilbert Baptist #5 or 6 top ten coming in off Iffy calls vs.Vincent Pettway and world ranked Otis Grant.
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