Casamayor vs. Santa Cruz (Spoiler)

[CutMeMick]

Topic Merged.

[TitoFan]

I felt Casamayor was losing the fight just before I fell asleep.

[Fire]

didnt VD recently put casamayor at around 4 or 5 P4P

but he thinks hatton doesnt belong in the top ten

diaz would smoke casamayor

[LEGION]

I felt Casamayor was losing the fight just before I fell asleep.

I had a dream you were sleeping when I was also.

[DaxxKahn]

Did he really look that bad? Going to watch it later.

He did, he looked like an old man tonight. Won 3 rounds at the most and that's being very gererous.

didnt VD recently put casamayor at around 4 or 5 P4P

but he thinks hatton doesnt belong in the top ten

diaz would smoke casamayor

Wiz said it best above...Cass looked like an old man....He is in boxing years...guys can keep going strong at his age we all know that but when they are not active that is what hurts...

TBH...Cass is a great fighter but age an inactivity is something not even the greatest of all time can overcome....

[TitoFan]

I felt Casamayor was losing the fight just before I fell asleep.

I had a dream you were sleeping when I was also.

LMAO..... The boxing card was great. But this particular fight did nothing for me.

[Beanflicker]

Its funny, after the fight when Lampley was talking about how inexperienced the judges scoring the fight were (before the dec was announced), I was thinking "Yeah, but theres no way they can get this one wrong... can they?" and as soon as I heard the first scorecard of 114-113, I knew what the verdict was gonna be. I can't believe it man. Steward said it best when he said that shit like this hurts boxing.

Somethings gotta be done, somethings gotta be changed. I'm sick of hearing "bad decisions are just a part of boxing". Fuck that. This kind of injustice leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

[RozzySean]

Its funny, after the fight when Lampley was talking about how inexperienced the judges scoring the fight were (before the dec was announced), I was thinking "Yeah, but theres no way they can get this one wrong... can they?" and as soon as I heard the first scorecard of 114-113, I knew what the verdict was gonna be. I can't believe it man. Steward said it best when he said that shit like this hurts boxing.

Somethings gotta be done, somethings gotta be changed. I'm sick of hearing "bad decisions are just a part of boxing". Fuck that. This kind of injustice leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

There are bad decisions, and then there are BAD, HORRIBLE decisions. I can list plenty of decisions that I disagree with, that I think are wrong. Bad decision are part of boxing, yes, but one's this one are beyond the normal scope of bad decisions...even Forrest/Quartey was closer that his and I was appauled at that decision. Sanctioning bodies need to do a better job of evaluating, training, and in some cases, punishing judges.

[LEGION]

Its funny, after the fight when Lampley was talking about how inexperienced the judges scoring the fight were (before the dec was announced), I was thinking "Yeah, but theres no way they can get this one wrong... can they?" and as soon as I heard the first scorecard of 114-113, I knew what the verdict was gonna be. I can't believe it man. Steward said it best when he said that S*** like this hurts boxing.

Somethings gotta be done, somethings gotta be changed. I'm sick of hearing "bad decisions are just a part of boxing". F*** that. This kind of injustice leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

Yeah, I thought that one was in the bag for Santa Clause, I mean Cruz. I was sitting waiting to see how Casa reacted when he got his belt taken. Then, like you said, when the scorecards started getting read I was like, no way their going to do this to that kid. What a joke. Those judges should get plugged in a dark desert somewhere.

[GAME]

Casa was lucky to get that decision having said that ive seen worse decisions

Its about time Casa had a bt of luck anyway . The knockdown in teh 1st was wrongly counted against him .It happend vs Freitas aswel . He belives he beat Chico the 2nd time and Castillo and he didnt get those decisions so its about time luck went his way . Shame for Cruz cuz once he went southpaw he had the answers . Bet he wishes he did that from the start .

[Terp]

Casa won at least 4 of the last 6 rounds. I gave him the 3rd as well and there were some uneventful rounds that could have gone either way. Casa keeps things negative and picks away wth little shots that a half-drunken fan waiting for the main event won't really notice but a judge has to recognize.

People who had it 10-2 or something ridiculous are the kind of fans who score fights in generality and don't really watch the action, which happens to be most fans.

[the wiz]

Casa won at least 4 of the last 6 rounds. I gave him the 3rd as well and there were some uneventful rounds that could have gone either way. Casa keeps things negative and picks away wth little shots that a half-drunken fan waiting for the main event won't really notice but a judge has to recognize.

People who had it 10-2 or something ridiculous are the kind of fans who score fights in generality and don't really watch the action, which happens to be most fans.

I think you'er a bit off there. Sober or drunk anyone could pretty much see Joel doing nothing but hold and block Cruz's punches with his head. Casamayor looked old and shot.

[OumaFan]

Its been clear for a while he's slipping, the Pearson fight, he didn't even look that good in the last Chico fight.

I was a fan at one time, not a huge fan but I've rooted for him in a lot of his fights but that was horrible. Run and hold, run and hold.

WTF was Steve Smoger waiting for? Take a point, take two points, disqualify him for the excessive holding. I usually like Smoger but him congratulating Casa on breaking cleanly after one of his 800 clinches was ridiculous. The ridiculous thing is he didn't need to fight that way, Santa Cruz is not that good at all, Casa could have held his ground and beaten Santa Cruz with shorter, straighter punches. Although listening to Steward rationalize it was kind of funny.

I was pretty much certain before the fight that he couldn't beat Juan Diaz at this stage of his career, now I'm about as certain as you can possibly be about a "big" fight.

[Terp]

Casa won at least 4 of the last 6 rounds. I gave him the 3rd as well and there were some uneventful rounds that could have gone either way. Casa keeps things negative and picks away wth little shots that a half-drunken fan waiting for the main event won't really notice but a judge has to recognize.

People who had it 10-2 or something ridiculous are the kind of fans who score fights in generality and don't really watch the action, which happens to be most fans.

I think you'er a bit off there. Sober or drunk anyone could pretty much see Joel doing nothing but hold and block Cruz's punches with his head. Casamayor looked old and shot.

That's a somewhat accurate description of most of the first half of the fight, and since there was no dramatic turn around, people stopped really paying attention by the time Casamayor started to win rounds. Are there any ringside/AP scorings of the fight?

Also, Casa was getting hit, but I just didn't see these tons of clean punches he was taking.

[Kirkland Laing]

Casamayor is shot, although being inactive for so long didn't help. He was given a nice easy tuneup before fighting a Diaz and lost badly. No timing, no snap, no nothing. He looked old and finished. The players at lightweight will be queuing up to fight him now.