~ I am now FULLY convinced that no one can beat PBF ~

[RP33]

Mick Im also fully convinced that as Ive said before, we will all be sat watching fights with children/grandchildren many years down the line an they'll be talking about some welterweight star and we'll tell them.........he wouldnt have beaten Floyd Mayweather Jnr

Very true Memphis...

I don't see how anyone can be FULLY CONVINCED that PBF cannot be beat when he CLEARLY has NOT fought the BEST in his division!

As I said I am by far the biggest Cotto fan here but I don't see how Cotto can beat PBF.
I'm sorry but I don't.... PBF is IMO light years ahead of everyone something like Pernell was in the 90's just in a league of their own.
PBF is too skilled for Cotto and the same way he nullified Hatton attack he'd nullify Cottos attack I don't care how much of a natural Welter Cotto is PBFs skills exceed far beyond anyone at 147 or 154.

Until he fights Cotto and after Williams has a few more fights underneath then there is NO WAY anyone can say that Floyd has beat the BEST in his division period!

Guess what then once he beats Cotto & Williams maybe Berto will be around by then.
Then people will say well what about Berto and so on and so on. Until father time catches up to PBF and he ends up loosing to one of the young bloods. But by then we'll all know PBF was past his best.... Sanchez786 that's the cycle of boxing as the seasoned fighters get older the much younger ones come into play and so and so on until some dethrones them.
Look at Pac he came in at a perfect time when Erik, MAB & JMM were all seasoned vets with loads of fights under them.
If PBF continues to fight this might eventually happen.

CC Mick.. there will ALWAYS be a "young up and comer". There will always be "what ifs".. but there is no denying that Floyd is the best in the division, and is p4p #1 regardless of who he HASN'T fought.

[Cortez The Killer]

honestly though, how many people aside from hardcore Hatton fans thought Hatton was going to win?

Not many. A lot wanted him to win, but how many would have laid money on it? I was offered 3 to 1 for hatton to win any way possible and didnt take it.


Now since Floyd beat up on Hatton he is considered unbeatable? cmon..

I was happy floyd put on a really entertaining fight and he did beat hatton at hatton's own game and dominated from the outside. But I think Cotto would stop hatton inside the distance as well. Same with Margarito. PW would at least UD hatton. They might not do it as as impressive as Floyd, but all could do it.

I favor PBF to beat any of the full fledged top ww's and he will be a strong favorite by the bookies against them too. But there are bigger challenges than Hatton was, just that bring less money.

PBF is #1 p4p, no doubt. But no way is he unbeatable and even he knows it. That's why he knows to pick his fights and not take on all comers

[Majesty]

Well I criticize it from day one when I heard that the fight will take place at 147 instead at 140 but that's Hatton's fault for accepting that. Why in GODS GREEN EARTH if you are fighting at 154 and then challenge the top guy at 140 to fight at 147 knowing he did not did so good in his last visit at that weight.

Hey I like Ricky 5'6" he along Cotto 5'8.5" and Tito 5'11" among others are in my boxing dictionary right beside the word heart.

Hey Floyd 5'9" has mad skill but I can't call him the best WW while he is no fighting the best at WW.

Who's the best at WW then

[Majesty]

honestly though, how many people aside from hardcore Hatton fans thought Hatton was going to win?

Not many. A lot wanted him to win, but how many would have laid money on it? I was offered 3 to 1 for hatton to win any way possible and didnt take it.


Now since Floyd beat up on Hatton he is considered unbeatable? cmon..

I was happy floyd put on a really entertaining fight and he did beat hatton at hatton's own game and dominated from the outside. But I think Cotto would stop hatton inside the distance as well. Same with Margarito. PW would at least UD hatton. They might not do it as as impressive as Floyd, but all could do it.

I favor PBF to beat any of the full fledged top ww's and he will be a strong favorite by the bookies against them too. But there are bigger challenges than Hatton was, just that bring less money.

PBF is #1 p4p, no doubt. But no way is he unbeatable and even he knows it. That's why he knows to pick his fights and not take on all comers

And this is the kind of stuff i was talking about in my topic..

[CutMeMick]

Have a CC on me mick. Great post, I admire the fact that you are one of a very limited breed that puts personal bias and favoritism aside and calls em like he sees him. Agreed with ya 100%

CC#96 on me Beanflicker....
Well to be honest you should quote me on this and save it somewhere cause it's not too often I can do something like this...
But hey!
Again just watching the fight right now and the way PBF just out smarts Hatton and again how he was the one mauling and beating Hatton on the inside is something special.

1 ring magazine signed by floyd made you a groupie mick hahaha i kid i kid

That did it...
If you can get me Ring Mag. signed by Pac I can make a thread like this for him and also vouche that he is infact #1 P4P fighter in the world.

Floyd fought a great fight last night, his defense was impecable, he picked his shot well and he fought on the inside where a lot of people felt Hatton would dominate. Floyd showed great versitility, took Hatton off his game and fought an intellegent fight. I dont know how you can say Floyd was scared he made Hatton miss countered well and mixed it up on the inside i didnt see him run no where.

CC on me ACEA good assesment there and I completely agree with you the way PBF changes styles from counter puncher, to inside fighter to brawler was mag-knee-facent. He showed versatility and fought smart he knew Hatton was tough so PBF ruffed up instead.. Which again I think it's what threw Hatton off.

Its funny how before the fight Hatton was given a great chance by a lot of people on this board but now everyone is saying Mayweather was always going to beat him. Give Floyd credit hes the best fighter in the world period and untill someone beat him nothings gonna change that. All other fighter at WW have weaknesses Floyd has very few if any. Cotto can be knocked down and shook, Williams is still green put him in there with some top guys and see how he fairs i mean common Margatio has been beat 5 times, Cintron has been beat and he doesnt seem to like pressure, Mosley has slowed down a touch.

You know ACEA, by any means Am I a PBF fan but theres no denying that the guys something special man...
You face him with any style of fighter this dude will take it apart.

One thing I wil say tho is that I would love to see Cotto & Williams "TRY" to beat PBF.

[Mr140]

Tell you the truth cut give me some ways that PBF could beat Williams because when i think of his style i do not think him beating Williams.

[LeftHookToTheBody]

I think Cotto and Williams would be Mayweather hardest fights.

I don't think either stands a chance on gods green earth

Gotta disagree. Mayweather was terrific last night, but ,honestly, most people saw it coming. Hatton leads with his face, he doesn't jab his way in, and with Mayweather's fast, accurate hands, that is a recipe for a beat down. The way to neutralize Mayweather is with a good jab. We saw in the DLH fight that DLH was in control when he snapped out his jab, but he inexplicably did not use it enough. Both Cotto and Williams use the jab very well. I think that is what gives them a chance. I would probably still pick Floyd over Cotto, because Floyd is so good at timing his opponents and using their aggression against them. I think it would be tough going for the first half of the fight though.

With Williams, I have no idea how you can say he does not have a chance. Not that he is better than Floyd in a p4p sense, but look at all the physical advantages he has. He is about half a foot taller than Floyd with the reach of a heavyweight and and an amazing output. He throws a million jabs. Floyd would have no choice but to fight inside. How is going to be able to do that consistently with Williams throwing that jab out in doubles and triples, then sweeping in that half uppercut-half hook? Floyd fought brilliantly inside against Hatton, sure, but Hatton is 5'6" and doesn't have much of a jab. Williams is a different beast entirely. I wouldn't count Floyd out, but I'm not sure what strategy he could possibly use against a guy with that many physical advantages. That said, the fight will probably never happen. The big draws at are going to avoid Williams like the plague at 147.

[CutMeMick]

Tell you the truth cut give me some ways that PBF could beat Williams because when i think of his style i do not think him beating Williams.

Let me guess you like everyone else thinks Williams reach & output will give PBF trouble. Right?

As I said the only way I can see either one Cotto or Williams beating PBF is if PBF just grows old or has the worst night of his career.
To be honest I see the 1st option happening 1st. I just think like SweetPea said earlier father time will catch up to him and he will eventually loose to someone but as of today I don't see Williams reach or Cottos style beating the versatile PBF.

[Cortez The Killer]

honestly though, how many people aside from hardcore Hatton fans thought Hatton was going to win?

Not many. A lot wanted him to win, but how many would have laid money on it? I was offered 3 to 1 for hatton to win any way possible and didnt take it.


Now since Floyd beat up on Hatton he is considered unbeatable? cmon..

I was happy floyd put on a really entertaining fight and he did beat hatton at hatton's own game and dominated from the outside. But I think Cotto would stop hatton inside the distance as well. Same with Margarito. PW would at least UD hatton. They might not do it as as impressive as Floyd, but all could do it.

I favor PBF to beat any of the full fledged top ww's and he will be a strong favorite by the bookies against them too. But there are bigger challenges than Hatton was, just that bring less money.

PBF is #1 p4p, no doubt. But no way is he unbeatable and even he knows it. That's why he knows to pick his fights and not take on all comers

And this is the kind of stuff i was talking about in my topic..

what topic? didnt see it on the front page, got a link?

[BoomBoom]

I dont think it was a brilliant performance at all. He has looked much better in the past imo. He was throwing one punch at a time for the first 8 rounds and when he started to hurt Hatton only then did he start putting punches toghether. Yes he did fight well on the inside but he also fought very dirty. Good win but not a great performance compared to some of his past fights. He looked very vulnerable last night imo.

Well Boom, even if it was just one shot at a time it was much more then what Hatton was "trying" to do. I say trying because Hatton was NOT succeeding at his game plan. IMO, PBF was out smarting Hatton full on. The way that one shot was landing flush it was more dramatic and more of an impression than anything Hatton was doing.
You gotta credit PBF for beating Hatton at his own game. You have to whether you believe it was dirty or not. I mean it's a fight not a tickling contest and PBF understood that from the beginig. I gotta diasgree Boom I really think it was a brilliant performance from PBF.

He was landing that straight right pretty much at will. But not once did he follow it with a left hook. Those right hands were hurting Hatton too but I dont know if he was overautios or maybe has lost something cause lightweight PBF from a few years ago would have put his punches toghether a lot more. Great fighter or not in his lastfew fights he has been on the ropes more and thrown less punches. His jab is now almost non-existent now too. He makes up for these things things with his defence, timing, and reflexes, but even though he won as expected I saw a lot of opportunites that Hatton couldnt captialize on because of his size and lack of technical skill.

[Mr140]

Yea but your not asnwering my question how would PBF win the fight i can not see him countering on a guy with a reach and height of PW. Not only that hows he going to deal with his puch pluse PW can use angles to and PBf does not have the power to knock him out so how would he do it.  To beat Floyd most think it pressure but i think it is a goo jab and movement and PW has it i do not think PBF can do it and i do not know if i will ever.

[Cortez The Killer]

Cutmemick, a lot of people were already fully convinced no one could beat floyd and had been for years. I am curious what did the Hatton fight prove to you? Was it just Floyd's skills overall or was there something about Hatton you thought would trouble him?

[CutMeMick]

Cutmemick, a lot of people were already fully convinced no one could beat floyd and had been for years. I am curious what did the Hatton fight prove to you? Was it just Floyd's skills overall or was there something about Hatton you thought would trouble him?

Right.
I was convinced that PBF would win but not in the style in which he did and also not many if all thought PBF would stop Hatton.
Well for the later part of PBFs career hes been taken apart (me included) by everyone from performances to opponents to just about anything.
I was looking at his career last night and early this morning and just the way hes evolved and the way hes been able to adapt to any style that his opponents have brought.
The Hatton fight proved to me that PBF is light years ahead of everyone I mean this was the best 140 pounder in the world.
In past times we've had 2 of the best from 2 weight classes face off and we've applauded the winner and decorated him.

Evanders move from Crusier to Heavy
Dawsons move from Super Middle to Light Heavy
Cervantes move from Light Welter to Welter
Emile from Welter to Middle
Foster from Light Heavy to Heavy

Some succeed others didn't but you gotta applaud the winner regardless. I just think this whole Hatton was smaller and couldn't fight his style is a bullshit! excuse. Last night showed that PBF is IMO unbeatable I just don't see how Cottos style or Williams style can cause him problems. Whatever issues you and I think of PBF will find a way to just shut it out and not let them execute their game plan. Well I speak for almost all of the Hatton fans here and some none Hatton fans who were just hoping he'd win when I say that they all thought Hattons agressive style would trouble PBF and Hatton would give PBF a tough fight. Well PBF picked him apart and pretty much dictated a fight where most everyone thought Hatton would dictate it and set the pace.

[Cortez The Killer]

Cutmemick, a lot of people were already fully convinced no one could beat floyd and had been for years. I am curious what did the Hatton fight prove to you? Was it just Floyd's skills overall or was there something about Hatton you thought would trouble him?

Right.
I was convinced that PBF would win but not in the style in which he did and also not many if all thought PBF would stop Hatton.
Well for the later part of PBFs career hes been taken apart (me included) by everyone from performances to opponents to just about anything.
I was looking at his career last night and early this morning and just the way hes evolved and the way hes been able to adapt to any style that his opponents have brought.
The Hatton fight proved to me that PBF is light years ahead of everyone I mean this was the best 140 pounder in the world.
In past times we've had 2 of the best from 2 weight classes face off and we've applauded the winner and decorated him.

Evanders move from Crusier to Heavy
Dawsons move from Super Middle to Light Heavy
Cervantes move from Light Welter to Welter
Emile from Welter to Middle
Foster from Light Heavy to Heavy

Some succeed others didn't but you gotta applaud the winner regardless. I just think this whole Hatton was smaller and couldn't fight his style is a bullshit! excuse. Last night showed that PBF is IMO unbeatable I just don't see how Cottos style or Williams style can cause him problems. Whatever issues you and I think of PBF will find a way to just shut it out and not let them execute their game plan. Well I speak for almost all of the Hatton fans here and some none Hatton fans who were just hoping he'd win when I say that they all thought Hattons agressive style would trouble PBF and Hatton would give PBF a tough fight. Well PBF picked him apart and pretty much dictated a fight where most everyone thought Hatton would dictate it and set the pace.

I like that first point you made, about being convinced that PBF would win but not in the style he did. That was the most impressive thing for me as well. Not only did he engage Hatton, but a lot of the time he was fighting Hatton's fight and beating him in it. Then when he chose to box on the outside and showcase his defense he showed complete control. This was a fight where Floyd showcased his depth and versatility, but then again that is what we expect from a #1 p4p guy like him.

Hatton was faster then I expected him to be, especially early. But his punches did not seem to have much behind them and I saw very few (if any) combinations from him. I am not trying to take anything away from Hatton here, but his biggest assets in the fight were heart, aggressiveness, and determination. Against a guy like Floyd, that's just not going to work if you can't out muscle him on the inside. And that's where Hatton's lack of power was very evident. Floyd could tell that wasn't an issue and that's why he readily engaged hatton on the inside.

You are right that no one will be favored to beat Floyd. But the best way to see if floyd is unbeatable is to put him in there with the dogs. What happens if someone has enough power to get inside his head and slow him down? Make him hesitate. There are guys out there that might give mayweather some REAL trouble. I still wouldnt bet against him though.

cc for your good respose too.

[El Kabong]

Point out where I said Floyd would Toy with Cotto then come talk to me, until then don't put words in someone's mouth. Cotto is undoubtedly stronger than Hatton, but let's put the make believe act to bed though that he's somehow 'twice' as strong as Hatton. There's one aspect people seem to be forgetting about, and that's accuracy. Mosley is nowhere near as accurate as Floyd is, I really haven't even seen anyone who is since Pernell Whitaker. People also are funny in thinking Cotto can just march on through and not feel any pain. He will get picked apart, and Floyd, although no Tommy Hearns in the power department, has enough power to earn ANY welterweight's respect.

"Cotto squeaked out a victory against Mosley, I find it funny how people see that as somehow translating to him hurting Floyd badly, let alone for a single solitary moment

Shane Mosley is still a very tough and fast fighter....he's easier to hit than Floyd but he also has a ton more power than Floyd. To me that spells more trouble for Floyd....not devistation but trouble. And yes Cotto being bigger than Ricky Hatton would be an advantage.....Miguel's timing is what impresses me the most and timing beats speed! (Floyd has incredible timing as well, not to leave that out, but Hatton hit him repeatedly)

"No one, not Hatton, Mayweather, Cotto, or Williams, possesses one punch knock out power."
I actually think those guys do have one punch KO power but not like a Tommy Hearns or Tito Trinidad......Hatton KO'd Castillo with 1 punch.

"This notion that Cotto will somehow devastate Mayweather is mildly hysterical"
I do agree with that but implying that it would be an easy fight for Mayweather is also hysterical......and by discrediting Cotto's performance vs Mosley you imply that he's some scrub waiting to be picked apart by Floyd and it's simply not the truth.

Floyd has increasingly had to EARN his victories and having dangerous fighters in 147 like Cotto, Mosley, Margarito and Williams has lead to Floyd's quasi-retirement.

Floyd has accomplished a lot in the past couple years and no doubt he has earned a break but you cannot say the fighters out there right now aren't talented and dangerous for Floyd