Emanuel steward says pbf is not an ATG!

[ICB]

Sugar Ray Robinson
Henary Armstrong
Willie Pep
Harry Greb
Roberto Duran
Ricardo Lopaz
Ezzard Charles
Archie Moore
Emile Griffith
Juilo Cesar Chavez
Muhammed Ali
Joe Louis
Gene Tunney
Sugar Ray Leonard
Pernell Witaker
Tommy Hearns
Bernard Hopkins
Marvin Hagler
Carlos Monzon
Roy Jones Jr.
Wilfred Benitez
Sugar Shane Mosley
Tito Trinadad

All the guys i think are above PBf I have 23 guys so i guys i have PBf at 24 when i said top 30 i meant somwhere between 30 and 20 to clear that up. The list i have above is in so special order i just named the ones that i thought rank higher i could be wrong but if you can give me a reason for PBF to be higher go ahead.

How the hell is Shane Mosley, Wilfred Benitez, Emile Griffith, higher than Floyd Mayweather ?? what did they accomplish more than Mayweather ??

[Mr140]

Well what has Floyde acomplished better then them look at the names on his resume compared to them.

[Mr140]

Sugar Shane consider one of the best Light weights o all time and his best win is over a Prime Oscar which also floyde best win also only a pas it Oscar. And i do not think the PBF would beat Winkey either and Forest would be a close fight so they are close to me.

[ICB]

Well what has Floyde acomplished better then them look at the names on his resume compared to them.

This isn't even worth discussing putting Benitez or Mosley higher than Mayweather is just insane.

[Mr140]

Tell who has floyde beat that was way better then Shane and Benitez names and look at how good the competion was to.

[zhubin]

He has a point. Obviously Floyd has no losses...but i like to look at the quality of a fighters wins. The best fighter Shane and Floyd have each fought was Oscar. Shane beat Oscar twice in his PRIME (and don't forget Shane was also coming up in weight in that first Oscar fight)...while Floyd beat a past prime Oscar. Floyd is a better skilled fighter than Shane...but Shane's resume is better than Floyd's. Does that mean Shane should be higher on the list than Floyd? Not neccessarly. But don't call the idea "insane".

[Mr140]

Well tell my why Mayweather is over Mosley and Benitez they are close so i just gave them a benfit tell me why PBF is ahead of them ok.

[Mr140]

Also Zubin i give you a cc i thank you for not calling me crazy that pretty rude and he did not even give examples.

[ICB]

He has a point. Obviously Floyd has no losses...but i like to look at the quality of a fighters wins. The best fighter Shane and Floyd have each fought was Oscar. Shane beat Oscar twice in his PRIME (and don't forget Shane was also coming up in weight in that first Oscar fight)...while Floyd beat a past prime Oscar. Floyd is a better skilled fighter than Shane...but Shane's resume is better than Floyd's. Does that mean Shane should be higher on the list than Floyd? Not neccessarly. But don't call the idea "insane".

I don't see how that work's considering Mosley got a gift decision in the 2nd ODLH fight.

Shane Mosley's Best Wins.

Luis Collazo
Fernando Vargas x2
ODLH x2
Wilfredo Rivera
Jesse James Leija
John John Molina
Philip Holiday

Lightweight, Welterweight, Lightmiddleweight, World champion.


Floyd Mayweather's Best Wins.

ODLH
Ricky Hatton
Jose Luis Castillo x2
Diego Corrales
Arturo Gatti
Genaro Hernandez
Carlos Hernadez
Angel Manfredy
Jesus Chavez

Superfeatherweight, Lightweight, Jr Welterweight, Welterweight, Lightmiddleweight, World Champion.

I think its pretty obvious.

[zhubin]

Also Zubin i give you a cc i thank you for not calling me crazy that pretty rude and he did not even give examples.

CC back at ya! People tend to get too riled up about the p4p discussion. I think each person can have a different criteria for what they consider makes an ATG fighter. Mine aren't just wins/losses and weight class belts (though those are important). I think quality the quality of your opposition is extremely important.

[Mr140]

Besides the extra weight Class i would say Shanes wins are better over all to be honest.

[ICB]

Besides the extra weight Class i would say Shanes wins are better over all to be honest.

You are joking right ??

[zhubin]

He has a point. Obviously Floyd has no losses...but i like to look at the quality of a fighters wins. The best fighter Shane and Floyd have each fought was Oscar. Shane beat Oscar twice in his PRIME (and don't forget Shane was also coming up in weight in that first Oscar fight)...while Floyd beat a past prime Oscar. Floyd is a better skilled fighter than Shane...but Shane's resume is better than Floyd's. Does that mean Shane should be higher on the list than Floyd? Not neccessarly. But don't call the idea "insane".

I don't see how that work's considering Mosley got a gift decision in the 2nd ODLH fight.

Shane Mosley's Best Wins.

Luis Collazo
Fernando Vargas x2
ODLH x2
Wilfredo Rivera
Jesse James Leija
John John Molina
Philip Holiday

Lightweight, Welterweight, Lightmiddleweight, World champion.


Floyd Mayweather's Best Wins.

ODLH
Ricky Hatton
Jose Luis Castillo x2
Diego Corrales
Arturo Gatti
Genaro Hernandez
Carlos Hernadez
Angel Manfredy
Jesus Chavez

Superfeatherweight, Lightweight, Jr Welterweight, Welterweight, Lightmiddleweight, World Champion.

I think its pretty obvious.

I love it when Floyd fans drop Gatti on his list of great wins. I was talking about the best fighter each fought. For Shane and Floyd...that would be Oscar. YOUR opinion is that he got a gift decision in the second Oscar fight. i don't agree. Bottom line...Shane beat a prime Oscar. Floyd didn't.

[zhubin]

I'm curious Pernell....with the Floyd list you mentioned...where do you rank Floyd all time?

[JT Rock]

Emmanuel Steward has proven to be a very biased and skeptical toward the majority of fighters that he dosent or hasnt trained

He especialy shits on Floyd with regularity, its just the way he is