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[Kev]

From the list of guys Floyd has beaten the only two that I could be proud of would be Hatton which was in his peak and De La Hoya which may not be in his peak but still a smart all-around boxer who's loss against Floyd was questionable.

Coralles was in his peak and Floyd absolutely destroyed him. I'm fairly certain Coralles will make the Hall of Fame. Two wins over a prime Jose Castillo another possible Hall of Fame fighter are not to be sniffed at either.

And he KO'd tough and respected guys like Generao Hernandez, Jesus Chavez and Angel Manfredy.

Add wins over Zab Judah, DeMarcus Corely, Arturo Gatti and you have the fighter with the best record on the entire planet currently fighting, hence why he p4p number 1.

If you're not impressed with Floyd's achievements then every professional boxer in the sport may as well pack it in and go home

Let's be real here, Floyd is possibly only one win (Cotto) away from a top 10 All time spot.

[CutMeMick]

One thing that always makes me smile is when people list PBF best wins and they throw in names that just make me roll on the groud with laughter. I've done this before and here it goes again IMO.

His best opponents
'Chicanito' Hernandez
'Chico' Corrales
JLC
ODLH
Hatton


Anyone whos begins to list N'Dou, Chavez, 'Famoso' and others are just stretching for it.

[Kev]

One thing that always makes me smile is when people list PBF best wins and they throw in names that just make me roll on the groud with laughter. I've done this before and here it goes again IMO.

His best opponents
'Chicanito' Hernandez
'Chico' Corrales
JLC
ODLH
Hatton


Anyone whos begins to list N'Dou, Chavez, 'Famoso' and others are just stretching for it.

I didn't list N'Dou or 'Famoso'. Jesus Chavez was a world champ and practically undefeated when he faced Floyd having lost only once early in his career. Considering he went on to win a couple more titles after the Floyd defeat I'd say it was a good win

Oh and Zab Judah is still a big win. If he isn't then Kosta Tyszu and Miguel Cotto can't have credit for him either.

[El Gamo]

One thing that always makes me smile is when people list PBF best wins and they throw in names that just make me roll on the groud with laughter. I've done this before and here it goes again IMO.

His best opponents
'Chicanito' Hernandez
'Chico' Corrales
JLC
ODLH
Hatton


Anyone whos begins to list N'Dou, Chavez, 'Famoso' and others are just stretching for it.

I didn't list N'Dou or 'Famoso'. Jesus Chavez was a world champ and practically undefeated when he faced Floyd having lost only once early in his career. Considering he went on to win a couple more titles after the Floyd defeat I'd say it was a good win

Oh and Zab Judah is still a big win. If he isn't then Kosta Tyszu and Miguel Cotto can't have credit for him either.

Judah was unifying with Tszyu and was seen as the next big thing in boxing. He was undefeated and most thought he would beat the slow Tszyu. By the time Mayweather fought him,the Judah myth had dissappeared. We all knew his flaws. BIG difference. I'm not saying it was not a big win for Floyd but not as big as the ones already listed by Mick.

[CutMeMick]

One thing that always makes me smile is when people list PBF best wins and they throw in names that just make me roll on the groud with laughter. I've done this before and here it goes again IMO.

His best opponents
'Chicanito' Hernandez
'Chico' Corrales
JLC
ODLH
Hatton


Anyone whos begins to list N'Dou, Chavez, 'Famoso' and others are just stretching for it.

I didn't list N'Dou or 'Famoso'. Jesus Chavez was a world champ and practically undefeated when he faced Floyd having lost only once early in his career. Considering he went on to win a couple more titles after the Floyd defeat I'd say it was a good win

Oh and Zab Judah is still a big win. If he isn't then Kosta Tyszu and Miguel Cotto can't have credit for him either.

Righ, I listed Chavez on the wrong columm. I meant to list him in the best opponents list.
Also for the record weeks prior to the fight I never wanted Cotto to fight Zab cause to me it was a step back and it would prove nothing.
Other posters here in a thread that went for some 16 pgs. tried to say it was a good fight for him.
I didn't thnk so and I still don't think much about it. It was a good one but that's about it.
A far as Tszyu, Tszyu can have him as Zab was still a prominent opponent when they met. Big difference between Zab in early 00's and Zab late 00's.
HUGE DIFFERENCE.

[Kev]

One thing that always makes me smile is when people list PBF best wins and they throw in names that just make me roll on the groud with laughter. I've done this before and here it goes again IMO.

His best opponents
'Chicanito' Hernandez
'Chico' Corrales
JLC
ODLH
Hatton


Anyone whos begins to list N'Dou, Chavez, 'Famoso' and others are just stretching for it.

I didn't list N'Dou or 'Famoso'. Jesus Chavez was a world champ and practically undefeated when he faced Floyd having lost only once early in his career. Considering he went on to win a couple more titles after the Floyd defeat I'd say it was a good win

Oh and Zab Judah is still a big win. If he isn't then Kosta Tyszu and Miguel Cotto can't have credit for him either.

Judah was unifying with Tszyu and was seen as the next big thing in boxing. He was undefeated and most thought he would beat the slow Tszyu. By the time Mayweather fought him,the Judah myth had dissappeared. We all knew his flaws. BIG difference. I'm not saying it was not a big win for Floyd but not as big as the ones already listed by Mick.

I'm not saying it was as big a win for Mayweather as it was for Tszyu but Zab was still highly rated when he fought Floyd. He had avenged a close loss to Cory Spinks with a spectacular knockout and had looked sensational up until his fight with Baldomir, in which he overlooked Carlos completely.

You cannot deny that prior t the Baldomir loss Zab was THE opponent for Floyd Mayweather, the undisputed welterweight champ coming off a string of impressive victories. His loss to Baldomir was very poor but it was largely a case of poor preperation and overlooking his little known opponent.

You cannot say that he didn't come in fully focused and 100% against Floyd. It WAS still a big win, not one of Floyd's greatest but certainly a decent notch on any fighters record. He then followed it up by beating the man who beat the man in Carlos Baldomie, a mediocre champion but still the RING champ and Floyd still won the fight.

You cannot just not give a fighter credit because their opponent isn't a A list fighter. They are all still potential stumbling blocks, and fighters to whom even the all time greats often trip up.

Duran had Kirkland Laing, Leonard had Hector Camacho, Robinson had a dozen or so, Hearns had Barkely etc.

Floyd, to his credit has never yet tripped up. He's always in shape, always prepared, and always fights the right fight to beat the guy put in front of him.

People discredit his record but if wins don't look as impressive as former greats a large part of it is down to the ease with which he beats them.

If he would have gone life and death with Coralles and Hatton for example, their stock as fighters would have risen and some would his wins as victories over great fighters.

As it is he puts on a clinic so people dismiss his opposition.

Floyd IS a great fight, already top 20 p4p and he's still not finished.

As I said before he beats Cotto he's in the top 10 in my book. Add Mosely. Paul Williams and someon like Cory Spinks or Vernon Forrest you would have a case for him being top 5, assuming he remains undefeated that is

[El Gamo]

One thing that always makes me smile is when people list PBF best wins and they throw in names that just make me roll on the groud with laughter. I've done this before and here it goes again IMO.

His best opponents
'Chicanito' Hernandez
'Chico' Corrales
JLC
ODLH
Hatton


Anyone whos begins to list N'Dou, Chavez, 'Famoso' and others are just stretching for it.

I didn't list N'Dou or 'Famoso'. Jesus Chavez was a world champ and practically undefeated when he faced Floyd having lost only once early in his career. Considering he went on to win a couple more titles after the Floyd defeat I'd say it was a good win

Oh and Zab Judah is still a big win. If he isn't then Kosta Tyszu and Miguel Cotto can't have credit for him either.

Judah was unifying with Tszyu and was seen as the next big thing in boxing. He was undefeated and most thought he would beat the slow Tszyu. By the time Mayweather fought him,the Judah myth had dissappeared. We all knew his flaws. BIG difference. I'm not saying it was not a big win for Floyd but not as big as the ones already listed by Mick.

I'm not saying it was as big a win for Mayweather as it was for Tszyu but Zab was still highly rated when he fought Floyd. He had avenged a close loss to Cory Spinks with a spectacular knockout and had looked sensational up until his fight with Baldomir, in which he overlooked Carlos completely.

You cannot deny that prior t the Baldomir loss Zab was THE opponent for Floyd Mayweather, the undisputed welterweight champ coming off a string of impressive victories. His loss to Baldomir was very poor but it was largely a case of poor preperation and overlooking his little known opponent.

You cannot say that he didn't come in fully focused and 100% against Floyd. It WAS still a big win, not one of Floyd's greatest but certainly a decent notch on any fighters record. He then followed it up by beating the man who beat the man in Carlos Baldomie, a mediocre champion but still the RING champ and Floyd still won the fight.

You cannot just not give a fighter credit because their opponent isn't a A list fighter. They are all still potential stumbling blocks, and fighters to whom even the all time greats often trip up.

Duran had Kirkland Laing, Leonard had Hector Camacho, Robinson had a dozen or so, Hearns had Barkely etc.

Floyd, to his credit has never yet tripped up. He's always in shape, always prepared, and always fights the right fight to beat the guy put in front of him.

People discredit his record but if wins don't look as impressive as former greats a large part of it is down to the ease with which he beats them.

If he would have gone life and death with Coralles and Hatton for example, their stock as fighters would have risen and some would his wins as victories over great fighters.

As it is he puts on a clinic so people dismiss his opposition.

Floyd IS a great fight, already top 20 p4p and he's still not finished.

As I said before he beats Cotto he's in the top 10 in my book. Add Mosely. Paul Williams and someon like Cory Spinks or Vernon Forrest you would have a case for him being top 5, assuming he remains undefeated that is

Talk about going off topic bro And in the end,you just said what I said,it was a good win for Floyd but not one of his best. See the highlighted. And no-one said anything about not giving him credit just because Zab is not A grade. Who said anything about that?I didn't.

[Kev]

One thing that always makes me smile is when people list PBF best wins and they throw in names that just make me roll on the groud with laughter. I've done this before and here it goes again IMO.

His best opponents
'Chicanito' Hernandez
'Chico' Corrales
JLC
ODLH
Hatton


Anyone whos begins to list N'Dou, Chavez, 'Famoso' and others are just stretching for it.

I didn't list N'Dou or 'Famoso'. Jesus Chavez was a world champ and practically undefeated when he faced Floyd having lost only once early in his career. Considering he went on to win a couple more titles after the Floyd defeat I'd say it was a good win

Oh and Zab Judah is still a big win. If he isn't then Kosta Tyszu and Miguel Cotto can't have credit for him either.

Judah was unifying with Tszyu and was seen as the next big thing in boxing. He was undefeated and most thought he would beat the slow Tszyu. By the time Mayweather fought him,the Judah myth had dissappeared. We all knew his flaws. BIG difference. I'm not saying it was not a big win for Floyd but not as big as the ones already listed by Mick.

I'm not saying it was as big a win for Mayweather as it was for Tszyu but Zab was still highly rated when he fought Floyd. He had avenged a close loss to Cory Spinks with a spectacular knockout and had looked sensational up until his fight with Baldomir, in which he overlooked Carlos completely.

You cannot deny that prior t the Baldomir loss Zab was THE opponent for Floyd Mayweather, the undisputed welterweight champ coming off a string of impressive victories. His loss to Baldomir was very poor but it was largely a case of poor preperation and overlooking his little known opponent.

You cannot say that he didn't come in fully focused and 100% against Floyd. It WAS still a big win, not one of Floyd's greatest but certainly a decent notch on any fighters record. He then followed it up by beating the man who beat the man in Carlos Baldomie, a mediocre champion but still the RING champ and Floyd still won the fight.

You cannot just not give a fighter credit because their opponent isn't a A list fighter. They are all still potential stumbling blocks, and fighters to whom even the all time greats often trip up.

Duran had Kirkland Laing, Leonard had Hector Camacho, Robinson had a dozen or so, Hearns had Barkely etc.

Floyd, to his credit has never yet tripped up. He's always in shape, always prepared, and always fights the right fight to beat the guy put in front of him.

People discredit his record but if wins don't look as impressive as former greats a large part of it is down to the ease with which he beats them.

If he would have gone life and death with Coralles and Hatton for example, their stock as fighters would have risen and some would his wins as victories over great fighters.

As it is he puts on a clinic so people dismiss his opposition.

Floyd IS a great fight, already top 20 p4p and he's still not finished.

As I said before he beats Cotto he's in the top 10 in my book. Add Mosely. Paul Williams and someon like Cory Spinks or Vernon Forrest you would have a case for him being top 5, assuming he remains undefeated that is

Talk about going off topic bro And in the end,you just said what I said,it was a good win for Floyd but not one of his best. See the highlighted. And no-one said anything about not giving him credit just because Zab is not A grade. Who said anything about that?I didn't.

Ah it's just all anti Mayism irritates me. He's the greatest talent in boxing by far, an absolute joy to watch when he's on peak form imo and head and shoulders above his rivals yet the majority of fans on this board just make constant negative remarks about him. He should fight this fighter, he's scared of that fighter, he just handpicks his opponents etc etc.

Really grates me to be honest.

Anway have a Gamo, I'm in a bad mood with you anyway at the moment as you pipped me in the prediction contest.

[El Gamo]

One thing that always makes me smile is when people list PBF best wins and they throw in names that just make me roll on the groud with laughter. I've done this before and here it goes again IMO.

His best opponents
'Chicanito' Hernandez
'Chico' Corrales
JLC
ODLH
Hatton


Anyone whos begins to list N'Dou, Chavez, 'Famoso' and others are just stretching for it.

I didn't list N'Dou or 'Famoso'. Jesus Chavez was a world champ and practically undefeated when he faced Floyd having lost only once early in his career. Considering he went on to win a couple more titles after the Floyd defeat I'd say it was a good win

Oh and Zab Judah is still a big win. If he isn't then Kosta Tyszu and Miguel Cotto can't have credit for him either.

Judah was unifying with Tszyu and was seen as the next big thing in boxing. He was undefeated and most thought he would beat the slow Tszyu. By the time Mayweather fought him,the Judah myth had dissappeared. We all knew his flaws. BIG difference. I'm not saying it was not a big win for Floyd but not as big as the ones already listed by Mick.

I'm not saying it was as big a win for Mayweather as it was for Tszyu but Zab was still highly rated when he fought Floyd. He had avenged a close loss to Cory Spinks with a spectacular knockout and had looked sensational up until his fight with Baldomir, in which he overlooked Carlos completely.

You cannot deny that prior t the Baldomir loss Zab was THE opponent for Floyd Mayweather, the undisputed welterweight champ coming off a string of impressive victories. His loss to Baldomir was very poor but it was largely a case of poor preperation and overlooking his little known opponent.

You cannot say that he didn't come in fully focused and 100% against Floyd. It WAS still a big win, not one of Floyd's greatest but certainly a decent notch on any fighters record. He then followed it up by beating the man who beat the man in Carlos Baldomie, a mediocre champion but still the RING champ and Floyd still won the fight.

You cannot just not give a fighter credit because their opponent isn't a A list fighter. They are all still potential stumbling blocks, and fighters to whom even the all time greats often trip up.

Duran had Kirkland Laing, Leonard had Hector Camacho, Robinson had a dozen or so, Hearns had Barkely etc.

Floyd, to his credit has never yet tripped up. He's always in shape, always prepared, and always fights the right fight to beat the guy put in front of him.

People discredit his record but if wins don't look as impressive as former greats a large part of it is down to the ease with which he beats them.

If he would have gone life and death with Coralles and Hatton for example, their stock as fighters would have risen and some would his wins as victories over great fighters.

As it is he puts on a clinic so people dismiss his opposition.

Floyd IS a great fight, already top 20 p4p and he's still not finished.

As I said before he beats Cotto he's in the top 10 in my book. Add Mosely. Paul Williams and someon like Cory Spinks or Vernon Forrest you would have a case for him being top 5, assuming he remains undefeated that is

Talk about going off topic bro And in the end,you just said what I said,it was a good win for Floyd but not one of his best. See the highlighted. And no-one said anything about not giving him credit just because Zab is not A grade. Who said anything about that?I didn't.

Ah it's just all anti Mayism irritates me. He's the greatest talent in boxing by far, an absolute joy to watch when he's on peak form imo and head and shoulders above his rivals yet the majority of fans on this board just make constant negative remarks about him. He should fight this fighter, he's scared of that fighter, he just handpicks his opponents etc etc.

Really grates me to be honest.

Anway have a Gamo, I'm in a bad mood with you anyway at the moment as you pipped me in the prediction contest.

CC back,and I think it was a few places above you. No doubt about it,Mayweather is a wonderful talent,has the best defence I've seen in a long time and fought 2 top fighters and won this year. I've been harsh on him and his opponents he's been facing in the last 3-4 years but he has atoned for that this year. I'd still have Pavlik as fighter of the year but there you go.

[Kev]

One thing that always makes me smile is when people list PBF best wins and they throw in names that just make me roll on the groud with laughter. I've done this before and here it goes again IMO.

His best opponents
'Chicanito' Hernandez
'Chico' Corrales
JLC
ODLH
Hatton


Anyone whos begins to list N'Dou, Chavez, 'Famoso' and others are just stretching for it.

I didn't list N'Dou or 'Famoso'. Jesus Chavez was a world champ and practically undefeated when he faced Floyd having lost only once early in his career. Considering he went on to win a couple more titles after the Floyd defeat I'd say it was a good win

Oh and Zab Judah is still a big win. If he isn't then Kosta Tyszu and Miguel Cotto can't have credit for him either.

Judah was unifying with Tszyu and was seen as the next big thing in boxing. He was undefeated and most thought he would beat the slow Tszyu. By the time Mayweather fought him,the Judah myth had dissappeared. We all knew his flaws. BIG difference. I'm not saying it was not a big win for Floyd but not as big as the ones already listed by Mick.

I'm not saying it was as big a win for Mayweather as it was for Tszyu but Zab was still highly rated when he fought Floyd. He had avenged a close loss to Cory Spinks with a spectacular knockout and had looked sensational up until his fight with Baldomir, in which he overlooked Carlos completely.

You cannot deny that prior t the Baldomir loss Zab was THE opponent for Floyd Mayweather, the undisputed welterweight champ coming off a string of impressive victories. His loss to Baldomir was very poor but it was largely a case of poor preperation and overlooking his little known opponent.

You cannot say that he didn't come in fully focused and 100% against Floyd. It WAS still a big win, not one of Floyd's greatest but certainly a decent notch on any fighters record. He then followed it up by beating the man who beat the man in Carlos Baldomie, a mediocre champion but still the RING champ and Floyd still won the fight.

You cannot just not give a fighter credit because their opponent isn't a A list fighter. They are all still potential stumbling blocks, and fighters to whom even the all time greats often trip up.

Duran had Kirkland Laing, Leonard had Hector Camacho, Robinson had a dozen or so, Hearns had Barkely etc.

Floyd, to his credit has never yet tripped up. He's always in shape, always prepared, and always fights the right fight to beat the guy put in front of him.

People discredit his record but if wins don't look as impressive as former greats a large part of it is down to the ease with which he beats them.

If he would have gone life and death with Coralles and Hatton for example, their stock as fighters would have risen and some would his wins as victories over great fighters.

As it is he puts on a clinic so people dismiss his opposition.

Floyd IS a great fight, already top 20 p4p and he's still not finished.

As I said before he beats Cotto he's in the top 10 in my book. Add Mosely. Paul Williams and someon like Cory Spinks or Vernon Forrest you would have a case for him being top 5, assuming he remains undefeated that is

Talk about going off topic bro And in the end,you just said what I said,it was a good win for Floyd but not one of his best. See the highlighted. And no-one said anything about not giving him credit just because Zab is not A grade. Who said anything about that?I didn't.

Ah it's just all anti Mayism irritates me. He's the greatest talent in boxing by far, an absolute joy to watch when he's on peak form imo and head and shoulders above his rivals yet the majority of fans on this board just make constant negative remarks about him. He should fight this fighter, he's scared of that fighter, he just handpicks his opponents etc etc.

Really grates me to be honest.

Anway have a Gamo, I'm in a bad mood with you anyway at the moment as you pipped me in the prediction contest.

CC back,and I think it was a few places above you. No doubt about it,Mayweather is a wonderful talent,has the best defence I've seen in a long time and fought 2 top fighters and won this year. I've been harsh on him and his opponents he's been facing in the last 3-4 years but he has atoned for that this year. I'd still have Pavlik as fighter of the year but there you go.

See this is where I lose you buddy. You're telling me that a limited slugger like Edison Miranda and a mediocre middleweight champ who according to some had lost 4 of his previous 5 fights prior to fighting Pavlik were better opponents and bigger wins than the only 6 weight world champ in boxing's history and a 43-0 Ring magazine's junior welterweight champion of the world? :P

[El Gamo]

Pavlik v Miranda- Miranda was HOT favourite and the hottest fighter in the division at the time. Some here were predicting that as soon as Miranda touches Kelly's chin,he would KO him. elly not only beat him but KTFO him out. It was only after this fight that Edison was viewed as 1 dimensional. Before the fight,he was a destroyed,a new age Julian Jackson,a killer. There were about 4 people choosing Pavlik to win.

Pavlik-Taylor-JT held his own with B Hop and Winky and AGAIN was a favourite over Pavlik who was too open and would get outboxed. Again the majority of boxing fans chose JT,Pavlike was the underdog. What does he do?Outjabs and KTFO JT,looking better than B Hop or Winky did in 36 rounds v JT. This was also for the linear title in HIS OWN weight class.

You say according to some etc but everyone knows they were all close fights for JT. Similarly,you use retrespect,but at the time,I don't recall anyone saying Miranda was 1 dimensional. So no,I don't think you lose me there I'm afraid. Good try though.

[Kev]

Pavlik v Miranda- Miranda was HOT favourite and the hottest fighter in the division at the time. Some here were predicting that as soon as Miranda touches Kelly's chin,he would KO him. elly not only beat him but KTFO him out. It was only after this fight that Edison was viewed as 1 dimensional. Before the fight,he was a destroyed,a new age Julian Jackson,a killer. There were about 4 people choosing Pavlik to win.

Pavlik-Taylor-JT held his own with B Hop and Winky and AGAIN was a favourite over Pavlik who was too open and would get outboxed. Again the majority of boxing fans chose JT,Pavlike was the underdog. What does he do?Outjabs and KTFO JT,looking better than B Hop or Winky did in 36 rounds v JT. This was also for the linear title in HIS OWN weight class.

You say according to some etc but everyone knows they were all close fights for JT. Similarly,you use retrespect,but at the time,I don't recall anyone saying Miranda was 1 dimensional. So no,I don't think you lose me there I'm afraid. Good try though.

Miranda was a marginal favourite at best and was ALWAYS going to get battered according to those capable of seeing beyond the hype.

Allow me to point in the direction of this prefight prediction thread

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxing_fo...c,47573.0.html

You will particularly appreciate the comments of a wise hobbit who advised you of the following at the time.

What are you guys going to do if Pantera wins? It'll be another failed prediction won't it Bil?! Grin

I can say with all honesty that I've never yet got a prediction wrong young El Gamo. bucktooth

Pavlick will be too much for a one dimensional Miranda to deal with.

It's going to be a long night for Pantera, and one that will end with a trip to the hospital.

coolclick to the Duke for being equally bold in his prediction




Oh and I also went for a Pavlik KO win in the prediction contest too

[ICB]

One thing that always makes me smile is when people list PBF best wins and they throw in names that just make me roll on the groud with laughter. I've done this before and here it goes again IMO.

His best opponents
'Chicanito' Hernandez
'Chico' Corrales
JLC
ODLH
Hatton


Anyone whos begins to list N'Dou, Chavez, 'Famoso' and others are just stretching for it.

Anyone whos begins to list N'Dou, Chavez, 'Famoso' and others are just stretching for it.

Ndou had an almost 100 percent KO record so he was dangerous thats why i listed him. And Bilbo already explained the other 2 so i don't need to go over it again.

[Kev]

One thing that always makes me smile is when people list PBF best wins and they throw in names that just make me roll on the groud with laughter. I've done this before and here it goes again IMO.

His best opponents
'Chicanito' Hernandez
'Chico' Corrales
JLC
ODLH
Hatton


Anyone whos begins to list N'Dou, Chavez, 'Famoso' and others are just stretching for it.

Anyone whos begins to list N'Dou, Chavez, 'Famoso' and others are just stretching for it.

Ndou had an almost 100 percent KO record so he was dangerous thats why i listed him. And Bilbo already explained the other 2 so i don't need to go over it again.

No you don't understand how it works Ice, N'Dou got Ko'd by Floyed therefore his record meant nothing and he was just a C list nobody fighter.

But Miranda got Ko'd just as easily by Pavlik and that's a HUGE win for Kelly that along with his win over Taylor makes him according to the logic, fighter of the year.

Basically the rule of thumb to remember is that if they lose to Floyd Mayweather they were never all that to begin with.

If an undefeated fighter loses to any of the other stars however (Calzaghe excluded) then they were beaten by a truly great fighter.

[Bx730NY]

It's funny how people say Mosley would have taken care of Cotto in his prime, therefore, it wasn't that big a deal, although Mosley was still active and racking up victories. Cotto won by UD.

I guess that means that DLH would have beaten floyd in his prime and convincingly since floyd got a split decision against him. DLH had 1 fight in like 3 years leading up to that against a guy with zero defence and you could clearly see he wasn't sharp against floyd.

My point is you can't assume anything and the fights have to be fought. You mention a guy like Cotto, who has better wins at Welter, and floyd's fans try to laugh it off like floyd is too good to even bother.

All you have to do is look at their common opponents and see who won more impressively.